Admitted Alternative Socialist, Kshama Sawant, Wins Seattle City Council Seat

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posted on Nov, 16 2013 @ 07:37 PM
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I think you missed the bit abut her having a PHD is economics.




posted on Nov, 16 2013 @ 08:30 PM
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cartenz
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I think you missed the bit abut her having a PHD is economics.


And,

Every major economic recession and depression has been cause by;

1) policies set by people in the higher education status, many with PHDs



posted on Nov, 16 2013 @ 08:38 PM
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"She's passionate about her values,"



These are the most dangerous kind of politicians and economists.

These types usually inflict much damage because those "values" are always *expected* to be followed by all who disagree.

Gila monsters will bite hard and deep, and won't let go until sundown.



posted on Nov, 16 2013 @ 08:53 PM
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xuenchen

cartenz
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I think you missed the bit abut her having a PHD is economics.


And,

Every major economic recession and depression has been cause by;

1) policies set by people in the higher education status, many with PHDs




Bold statement, do you have anything to support it?

I would go with: All economic recessions have been bought about by the banking cabal. I can provide links but I know you wont read them.



posted on Nov, 16 2013 @ 09:01 PM
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xuenchen
And,

Every major economic recession and depression has been cause by;

1) policies set by people in the higher education status, many with PHDs




cartenz
Bold statement, do you have anything to support it?

I would go with: All economic recessions have been bought about by the banking cabal. I can provide links but I know you wont read them.


You answered your own doubts.

The banks all have economic policies set by highly educated people.

Most governments follow their own banking system policies.

That's what makes the economies.



posted on Nov, 16 2013 @ 11:03 PM
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Kali74
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The college educated are the burger flippers! Nowhere did I say that everyone should be earning the same wage... that's not what socialism even is.


I was at work and was trying to reply while busy. Anyways, I happen to know a college educated woman working in a hospital doing a professional life and death job that requires a science degree and certification test. She makes $16.40 an hour. So are you saying that burger flippers should make near what she does? The economy sux!

And like I mentioned earlier I have not seen an adult (besides management) working at a fast food restaurant in decades.

You really need to step back to reality. You want to do all sorts of nice things for people on someone elses dime without realizing the ramifications.

I am not the evil Elouina that wants to keep people from getting raises. I think between $9.25 to $10 .00 would be a very generous amount. And even at the $9.25 rate, it will be extremely bad for the economy and people WILL lose jobs. But we do need to chance this to play catch up.

I really do think we were in a depression. Why do you think no one got any increases in the minimum wage for a very long time? And this was under a liberal president. Even moron Obama knows better.

And the employer Obamacare mandate is coming up in less than a year. This will provide at least $2 an hour in additional benefits per person. Along with the minimum wage increase we will see record business going under and a record loss of jobs. All doom and gloom you say? We were right about Obamacare already now weren't we?



posted on Nov, 16 2013 @ 11:15 PM
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Kali74
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A mandated increase of 100% of a persons wages is dictated welfare.


Not paying a living wage ensures that taxpayers are on the hook to make sure people aren't homeless and starving. Wasn't the promise of trickle down economics (capitalism) that if a company is making large profits then it's employees will reap those benefits too? If Starbucks profited 12 billion dollars why shouldn't their employees be paid above minimum wage?


Did I say this was right? The "depression" that they don't want to admit to made it a buyers market. Yes it needs righted. But we can't just suddenly hit businesses up for $10 in cash and benefits all in one lump sum.

If we were to do this, we would see record increases in prices, job loss, and resultant homelessness and despair. When a business goes under everyone suffers. Many big businesses are teetering on bankruptcy right now. It won't take much to sink them.

And like I said, this was all done under Obama's watch. Even he wasn't talking min wage increases until unemployment went down just a tad.

The economy went bust, everyone suffered. Recovery can't be forced to happen over night, or we will get thrown into an even worse depression.
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posted on Nov, 17 2013 @ 12:26 AM
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elouina
I was at work and was trying to reply while busy. Anyways, I happen to know a college educated woman working in a hospital doing a professional life and death job that requires a science degree and certification test. She makes $16.40 an hour. So are you saying that burger flippers should make near what she does? The economy sux!


Here's what you're not seeing: The rate of inflation. The reality is that EVERYONE's wages have been sinking fast, even though the numbers have gone up. What I'm saying is that in the 90s, $16.40 was a lot of money. You fill for tank, buy a pack of smokes and get a hot dog for an hours wages on that. Now those same things cost $60. In the 1950s, people made a dollar an hour, but a cup of coffee was 5 cents. Now people make $8, but the coffee costs two dollars. So while the number, or "nominal" rate of pay has been rising, we've gone from being able to buy 20 cups of coffee an hour (minimum wage) to being able to buy 4 now (minimum wage) and people are supposed to be considered lucky if they get $16 (8 cups) an hour. And don't even calculate it in gold, which cost around $40 an ounce in the 1950s. an ounce of gold a week, or $5600 modern dollars in gold a month for minimum wage.

Its all about the money printing, quantitative easing, and all that. People have gotten the shaft.



posted on Nov, 17 2013 @ 01:12 AM
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I am not disagreeing about righting this. What I am saying is that we do it a tad now, and wait until the full affects of Obamacare are felt before we do any more. Our economy is not prepared for Obamacare. Just wait and see... I am stocking up on non perishable goods.

If it wasn't for Obamacare, I would be in your camp. You see this Obamacare will be hurting Americans in more ways than imagined. And I really think we should give businesses some time to adjust. Not all of them treat their employees like crap. Some offer great benefits, perks, and pay.

But face it, Obamacare is not affordable and the businesses costs will go up just like on the individual market, and then some. You see, they have to pay fees for every employee on health insurance on top of the increased insurance costs. If not on strong financial footing, good business could go bankrupt. And every lost business is lost jobs. Not all businesses are evil!



posted on Nov, 17 2013 @ 04:53 AM
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Ah, I don't see it. Honestly I don't get most of the threads about Obamacare around here. At the end of the day were talking about a bill to reform INSURANCE. Not civil liberties, not, the constitution, not gun ownership, but insurance. I just don't see the excitement. I have people close to me (who make much more) who logged in and got really bad prices that hurt them economically, but I (who don't make much) got really good prices on the health exchanges. So I personally am neutral. But I don't think its going to blow up the economy. I don't think its a big constitutional change, either.

I mean it may turn out to just be a mess, it sure is messy now, but I don't see it as a conspiracy spectrum world changing thing. We have a cover up about the number of people killed by government flying death robots here:
www.thedailybeast.com...
And then we have a messy attempt comprehensive insurance reform with Obamacare. I'm just not feeling the doom with the second thing.



posted on Nov, 17 2013 @ 05:16 AM
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Ah, I don't see it. Honestly I don't get most of the threads about Obamacare around here. At the end of the day were talking about a bill to reform INSURANCE. Not civil liberties, not, the constitution, not gun ownership, but insurance. I just don't see the excitement. I have people close to me (who make much more) who logged in and got really bad prices that hurt them economically, but I (who don't make much) got really good prices on the health exchanges. So I personally am neutral. But I don't think its going to blow up the economy. I don't think its a big constitutional change, either.

I mean it may turn out to just be a mess, it sure is messy now, but I don't see it as a conspiracy spectrum world changing thing. We have a cover up about the number of people killed by government flying death robots here:
www.thedailybeast.com...
And then we have a messy attempt comprehensive insurance reform with Obamacare. I'm just not feeling the doom with the second thing.


Obamacare is not a conspiracy it is just a flat out mess! I could see it coming and it will get a lot worse. I promise you, it will.



posted on Nov, 17 2013 @ 05:22 AM
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The economy went bust, everyone suffered. Recovery can't be forced to happen over night, or we will get thrown into an even worse depression.


Quoted for accuracy and irony....





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