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U.S. House votes to let Americans keep health plans

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posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 01:59 PM
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The U.S. House has passed a bill to allow insurance companies to continue offering policies that do not meet the PPACA ObamaCare minimum coverage requirements.

This essentially would let some people keep old policies that either have been cancelled or would be soon enough.

Of course, this is up to the insurance companies as well as the state insurance commissions.

This bill does not force companies to keep old plans in effect.

The bill from the House now goes to the U.S. Senate where Senator Mary Landrieu has a similar bill.

The main difference is that the Landrieu bill would Force insurance companies to keep the old plans effective.

The Senate might include amendments similar to the Landrieu language and send it back to the House.

Obama is apparently saying he will veto anything because it ultimately undermines the spirit of the law.

Obama has also implemented his own version to let people keep old plans as long as those plans are still available for one year. He is using Executive Privilege called ‘prosecutorial discretion’ or ‘executive discretion’ which basically allows him to direct authorities to selectively ignore unlawful acts. That authority is debatable and could be unconstitutional.



...... The House passed the bill, 261 to 157, despite a veto threat from Mr. Obama and objections from Democrats who said the legislation was an insidious attempt to rot the Affordable Care Act from the inside out.

Four Republicans voted against the bill, perhaps because it could be viewed as an attempt to smooth over Mr. Obama’s controversial reforms.

Rep. Fred Upton, Michigan Republican, offered the bill at the height of furor over Mr. Obama’s oft-repeated promise that people who liked their health plans could keep them. Millions of Americans received cancellation notices because their plans did not meet the health care law’s coverage requirements, forcing the president to apologize as vulnerable Democrats scrambled to find a legislative solution.



House votes to let Americans keep health plans; 39 Dems defy Obama


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posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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So the first "legislation"n is already been done, under ACA, a vote in the house, how "quaint", is all legal now, nothing to worry people is all good.

I suggest a time line of anything that will be done under ACA coming from the house, because is more too come.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 02:19 PM
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Man that was fast.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 02:23 PM
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And then we have:

Obama threatens to Veto


The White House has vowed to veto Upton's bill if it reaches the President's desk.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 02:40 PM
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So the president is going to veto a law that allows people to keep things that they want.

Because apparently, government knows better.

*sigh*



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 02:49 PM
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Obamacare... It's the LAW. Except when Obama says it's not. And if you like your old plan, you can keep it... Except when Obama says you can't.

LOL!




posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 02:50 PM
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Once again, the state is trying to fix the problems the state created through its own actions.

See the problem here?



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 02:56 PM
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Wait a moment, I am missing something here?, the president is to veto what he ask for it?, what in the heck, I am going crazy and my head is spinning.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 02:57 PM
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beezzer
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So the president is going to veto a law that allows people to keep things that they want.

Because apparently, government knows better.

*sigh*


No.
Government knows how to punish those who actually work and pay their own way.
The ruling class hates a citizen who makes his own decisions.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 03:07 PM
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xuenchen


Obama is apparently saying he will veto anything because it ultimately undermines the spirit of the law.

Obama has also implemented his own version to let people keep old plans as long as those plans are still available for one year. He is using Executive Privilege called ‘prosecutorial discretion’ or ‘executive discretion’ which basically allows him to direct authorities to selectively ignore unlawful acts. That authority is debatable and could be unconstitutional.



The Orwellian double speak coming from Obama astounds beyond belief, gimmie a break, how can he claim undermining law when he undermined his own signature law by executive fiat not supported by the Constitution.

The other party in this case should have sat on their thumbs and let this twist in the public eye as it provides political cover where none existed before.

Remember this idget in charge took an oath regarding the Constitution and laws of United States.

He's been doing a lot of picking and choosing past several years and its time to halt it.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 03:17 PM
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Who is going to challenge this, who is going to challenge our "historical president". It seems to me that Obama test anything and work it and twist it to show everybody that he have the last say so, have anybody noticed that, since he is been president.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 04:01 PM
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Now somebody says the Senate won't bring the House bill to the floor !!

Obama must be playing games ?

Maybe he want's be the only one to take any credit (if any credit even exists)



Senate Democrats do not expect to vote on the ObamaCare fix the House approved on Friday with 39 Democratic votes, according to a senior Democratic aide.

The aide said there is not any pressure on the Senate Democratic leadership to bring the legislation sponsored by Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) to the floor.

“There is a difference between constructive fixes designed to improve the law and bills that would gut it,” said the senior Democratic aide. “The Upton bill is the latter.”

Senate won't bring Upton fix to floor



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 04:05 PM
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Is "not having insurance" a "substandard plan"?
So can I keep it for a year before it's cancelled?



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 04:08 PM
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It voted to ALLOW insurance companies to sell insurance plans that are against the law for ONE YEAR. That doesn't mean the insurance companies will. In fact, they are all pretty much saying that it would cost too much for them to go and resell to people who they have already cut out. They are just marching on, following the Obamacare law.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 04:13 PM
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talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Even if companies were forced to give this insurance back for a year the damage has already been done. this is pointless
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posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 05:09 PM
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This is just smoke and mirrors it appears then, as if the insurance companies allow
it, only then can people keep their plan. Washington State declared last night
they are just marching on.

This is only going to create more confusion, and chaos.

Congratulations to the Obamacare Train Wrecking Crew,
you get another notch on the belt, whilst the working
class takes another hit.

And, they come out smelling like a freshly washed bunch of laundry?






posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 05:18 PM
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This is only going to create more confusion, and chaos.


Yup.

I think that's the plan since there's really no way out except for repeal and re-legislate.

But I doubt Obama LLC is really all that interested in something that would actually work in favor of genuine reforms that would benefit the majority of Americans.



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