The Mystical Breaking of Vessels Concept and References (Part 1)

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posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 10:55 PM
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Hi,

This post has several purposes. The primary purpose is to create
an area where I can accumulate reference links on this topic,
to honor my word that I gave to Eidolon23
at this link:

Abducted by Uncle Sam - Coming To A Bedroom Near You?

It may take some time, so please bear with me.

Another purpose, and perhaps a more important one, is to
share the concept with you, as it's a critical concept.

So what is all this about?

Well I don't know when the concept first arose in mysticism,
spirituality and religion, but one of the most famous references
of all is that of Isaac Luria of Kabbalah fame. The concept also
exists in Gnosticism. The following excellent link describes both:

Comparative Religion Link on Breaking of Vessels

I'll describe the Lurian concept a brief second in case you don't want
to read the lengthy paper.

The basic Lurian concept (sorry Kabbalah people.. this is a huge
oversimplification) is that in the beginning God created these
vessels which contains parts of himself... then he purposely
broke them, creating little shards of spirit. Then at a later time,
God created the primordial Adam, which was 'oversoul' of all
human souls. But then the 'error of Adam' broke the primordial
soul into even more vessels (presumably us if you go for that
sin mythos).

So it's the job of all practicing Kabbalists to help God to heal
and recover these broken shards of spirit and return reality
to it's pre-sin state.

So presumably, for purposes of the UFO thread, if some monstrous
being could somehow siphon 'energy' from these vessels.. and/or
further break or deform them.. that would coincide with the
spiritual principle I mentioned to Eidolon23. Now I realize that
this is much 'higher level' than the presumably body fluids she
was asking about.. but one could presume that body fluids would
contain some of this essence too.. if the vessel could be broken/
deformed/tapped.. you know.. the biblical concept of life being
in the blood.. (and there are also the white and red drops of
Buddhism.. but we won't go into that unless we must.. but that
is really based on something similar).

Ok.. lets move on a bit.

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Ok, well there is a basic biblical reference that is on-point,
but slightly different:

John 12:24

This refers to a seed dying.. but it's the esoteric example of
the same exact same esoteric thing.

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Now this third reference I'm slightly reluctant to mention,
as it's very personal.. and its not a 'public reference'. It's
really an 'initiatory secret'.

Some of you have heard me drop hints about the 'final
initiation' which involves solving the problem of evil.

Well there is a lot to say about that.. what it really means..
how it really works.. the net result of doing the initiation..

but in effect out of love for my brothers and sisters all
throughout and beyond time and space.. I willingly rent
my own highest vessel and let the essence trapped
within disperse throughout the reforming Soul of the
Original Adam to use the Kabbalists term.. I'm not
a Kabbalist.. but if some system gets it right.. I'm
not shy about using their example..

Ok.. let's move on again.. I'll put another more
'earthly reference' after this section once I find
it; and I'll then just edit this first post until I run
out of room; then I'll post part 2 if necessary.

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posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 12:10 AM
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I certainly am able to learn a lot from you about practices I'm not interested in doing myself, but am very intellectually interested in. Looking forward to reading more.

You've grown on me, K-Bear. How'd you do that?



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 01:11 AM
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Hey, KPB, thanks muchly.

I'll crack into this in about an hour, but real quick-- I followed up on John 12:24.

"Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds."

This pertains to reproduction on one level, or self-sacrifice on another (and parenthood is certainly one of the highest forms of self-sacrifice).

I'm not sure it has much to do with punching a hole in the psyche and draining a sexual partner like some kind of kundalini juicebox.




posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 01:51 AM
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I know. It's the exoteric form. I'm still certain there is
a vessel breaking and releasing perfume exoteric
reference in non-canonical bible material if I can
remember the keywords.

Really, if you are stuck on 'fluids' the two fluids you
want are Ojas and Soma. Of course those are the
historical mystical BS words.

Only, both of those substances actually exist. Soma
mostly in the brain and Ojas in every cell in the body.
I'd say that Ojas is the interface between the
superconducting framework of spacetime inherent
in matter and cells themselves. Soma is even more
special, but it's attuned to something
even more timeless. There are a bevvy of neuropeptide
and neurochemical / hormone correlates with both.

Special areas are the cerebrospinal fluid,
the heart and glands which produce steroidal
hormones such as sexual hormones.

As it turns out, oxytocin is an important neuropeptide
component and yes, men can generate it too.

To arouse Kundaini in your body, you need to learn
enough voluntary control over your body to generate
more and stronger versions of these two substances.

Everyone has a little of this stuff or I don't think they could
be a human being at all.. at least not a normally
functioning one.

All this crazy talk taken with a barrel of salt, and
it really does come down to, a story you have
probably heard before; "some of those aliens
and critters want those 'special juices' that only
humans can create.. and I do believe that has
some semblance of reality to it.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the military
might have tried identifying and harvesting
that stuff for some of their buddies.. I'm not
sure if this purely physical effort was ever
that successful. Who knows, this is highly
speculative.

I don't think that the fluidy aspect would be
that much in demand compared to something
that can be stored in one of those 'orbs' you
hear about inside of 'ships'.

Anyway.. a direction for you maybe.

KPB



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 02:12 AM
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KellyPrettyBear
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Really, if you are stuck on 'fluids'





the two fluids you
want are Ojas and Soma. Of course those are the
historical mystical BS words.



If this energy exists, it is in a subtle medium. Therefore plasmic, hence fluids.

And yeah, I'd be shocked if someone hadn't ruined poor Reich and then attempted to weaponize his work, or harness it for mundane purposes.

Men certainly do produce oxytocin, and its primary purpose is to facilitate bonding. Which is counterproductive to any number of agendas, which is why men are discouraged from expressing non-sexual affection.

The resulting frustration and alienation provide more fuel to the war machine than kundalini ever could.



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 02:21 AM
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KellyPrettyBear

I'll describe the Lurian concept a brief second in case you don't want
to read the lengthy paper.

The basic Lurian concept (sorry Kabbalah people.. this is a huge
oversimplification) is that in the beginning God created these
vessels which contains parts of himself... then he purposely
broke them, creating little shards of spirit. Then at a later time,
God created the primordial Adam, which was 'oversoul' of all
human souls. But then the 'error of Adam' broke the primordial
soul into even more vessels (presumably us if you go for that
sin mythos).


It's a demonization of variation (or Chaos, if you will), and directly contradicts the emanationist view. Any life-despising religious construct isn't going to get us anywhere when it comes to solving the dilemma of separation. Not only does blaming a creator entity for the problems we create for ourselves falsely shift the burden of responsibility onto an external, and ineffable source; it ensures we can stay locked into the same futile cycles ad nauseum.


Now I realize that
this is much 'higher level' than the presumably body fluids she
was asking about..


That was rather presumputious.



Some of you have heard me drop hints about the 'final
initiation' which involves solving the problem of evil.


The problem of evil is easily solved: don't commit evil acts, nor condone the evil actions of others.

Bam. Solved.


Well there is a lot to say about that.. what it really means..
how it really works.. the net result of doing the initiation..

but in effect out of love for my brothers and sisters all
throughout and beyond time and space.. I willingly rent
my own highest vessel and let the essence trapped
within disperse throughout the reforming Soul of the
Original Adam to use the Kabbalists term.. I'm not
a Kabbalist.. but if some system gets it right.. I'm
not shy about using their example..


So, to whom am I addressing these words, if your essence has been diffused throughout the body of humanity?

Thanks again, this is a really great conversation.
edit on 14-11-2013 by Eidolon23 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 02:50 AM
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I don't think that the fluidy aspect would be
that much in demand compared to something
that can be stored in one of those 'orbs' you
hear about inside of 'ships'.


You mean a plasma drive of some kind?




posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 02:55 AM
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Also, I posted the clip from Strangelove to illustrate the perpetual fallacy (phallusy?) of martial cults: the conviction that women are all soulless succubi out to rob them of their vital force. Their virility. Their Vril. Kubrick just stripped all the silly esoteric scaffolding away from it.



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 08:33 AM
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It was by considering the activity of "kundalini" in the human
body for all people that I started to think about the whole
subject of harvesting. There is really a lot to ponder on
this subject.



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 08:36 AM
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Eidolon23
Also, I posted the clip from Strangelove to illustrate the perpetual fallacy (phallusy?) of martial cults: the conviction that women are all soulless succubi out to rob them of their vital force. Their virility. Their Vril. Kubrick just stripped all the silly esoteric scaffolding away from it.



You have so much 'passion' about this topic of yours..
I've never really heard of this sort of things before
you brought it up and keep (and i mean no disrespect
here) 'harping on it'. If there are people who think
this way I'll have to take your word for it; i've never
met anyone who does.. but then I'm a hermit and
don't meet people much.



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 08:39 AM
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Eidolon23

I don't think that the fluidy aspect would be
that much in demand compared to something
that can be stored in one of those 'orbs' you
hear about inside of 'ships'.


You mean a plasma drive of some kind?



Well that's the thing.. when I "look" at one of
those 'ships' I see that orb too.. now the thing
to keep in mind, is that the entire ship itself
feels alive.. and that alive state emanates
from that orb..which is combination engine
and conrol panel..

So whatever is robbed and harvested is put
inside that orb and that makes the entire
'ship' 'alive' and able to hop 'dimensions'
as only living matter may hop dimensions
(of the sort I'm discussing anyway).

KPB



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 08:51 AM
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On this response you are making all of these assumptions
that I'm not making. I don't mean to be demenaing, but
we are discussing some of the most special and difficult
concepts of all time.

Perhaps you might wish to start topics related to this
thread and we can give it a proper and thorough
examination; that's if you are so inclined.

As to 'presumptious' - that's actually a most helpful
comment on your part. Can you imagine what it
would be like, to strip away all barriers.. all
containers.. all veils.. and to have your essence
freely accessible in any way another being wishes,
to be used? Can you imagine that? I can. In fact
that's what's happening in this very post. It's
not something one would think is advisable..
but that's why so few do it. It's literally
unthinkable.. which is what keeps them
trapped in the place of their choosing.
It's like BEING the mouse pointer, but choosing
to never move it. That's what human consciousness
is so often like.

Who is talking to you? The same person as before..
only not being selfish with what NEVER WAS
'my' personal essence. Also a table leg, if you've
read any of those metaphors from some of my
other posts.

KPB



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 10:49 AM
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Path to higher consciousness begins with childlike innocence.
Promote action to gain various types of understanding.
Condense units of such understanding to council.
Integrate this council into a single director.
Utilize director to reach out to others.
Reach out to others via sacrifice.
Become sacrifice to expand.
Expand to unite as "One."



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 10:53 AM
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It's a demonization of variation (or Chaos, if you will), and directly contradicts the emanationist view. Any life-despising religious construct isn't going to get us anywhere when it comes to solving the dilemma of separation. Not only does blaming a creator entity for the problems we create for ourselves falsely shift the burden of responsibility onto an external, and ineffable source; it ensures we can stay locked into the same futile cycles ad nauseum.


Pay close attention to the aforementioned. Well said...



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 11:41 AM
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Hi. I'm no longer monitoring this thread.

KPB





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