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Topic started on 17-11-2004 @ 10:12 AM by Nygdan
Ramadan is at its end, and if you notice its a crescent moon in the night sky. The earth is passing thru a sector of space that contains 'baseball and smaller sized' meteors, from earth they appear to project from the constellation Leo The kabba is an arab holy relic, thought to be an iron meteorite. Its sanctity pre-dates islamic practice. Notice also that a major symbol in islam is the cresecent moon. The paganaistic pre-islamic arabs were thought to worship, amoung other goods, a moon god.

So my questions are,

  1. is the holiday/fast of Ramadan a hold over from pre-islamic times?
  2. is it normally followed by the leonid meteor shower?
  3. could something like the Kabbaa have been a Leonid impactor?

I am pretty sure that ramadan is one of those holidays that changes its exact date year to year, and is supposed to coincide with the phases of the moon. Probably a re-birth/cleansing type of association there. Ramadan just ended the other day, and the leonid shower is comming up this weekend. Sometimes it can be pretty spectacular. What if the ancient polytheistic arabs saw this recurring metoer shower, and one day saw an especially large shooting star, one the crashed into arabia one day, and when they went to the crash site (must've been as spectacular as a ufo landing/crash site would be today) they found the kabbaa, literally sent from the heavens, and set up their shrine around it? Or moved it to mecca and put it in there, and inaugerated a feast/fast for the period preceding it?

But I don't know if the kabba is the type of meteorite that can be associated with the leonid shower, and i don't know if it 'crashed' during human history, it might've landed a long time ago. And, of course, I don't know when the ramadan celebration started either. Ramadan 'proper' is of course a muslim holiday, but I would expect that -some- polytheistic holidays must've been incorporated or blotted over, like easter and christmas and halloween amoung the christians. Or like how where there used to be a temple/shrine to a god with a particular power, after christianity one finds churches/shrines to a saint with a particular power in the same place.

[edit on 17-11-2004 by Nygdan]


reply posted on 17-11-2004 @ 04:42 PM by paperclip
ahhh interesting topic.

First, something about the origin of Kaaba. It existed before Mohammad and served as polytheistic temple. All kinds of Gods and idols were worshipped there, basicaly every tribe, every family, had one of its own. It is not only the moon that was worshipped, everything was. Everything had its own idol to worship.
The legend goes that Kaaba was built by Abraham, as the first temple to worship one God, something that is very difficult to prove. However, since it says so in Qur'an, Muslims simply believe it. With time the worship of one God turned into worship of many and the true nature of Kaaba was forgotten. Until Mohammad came and destroyed all idols of false Gods.
Basicaly, just like Christianity incorporated some of the pagan practices, Islam did it too. They both changed the meaning of it. Christmas comes to mind when speaking of christianity, for example, a day pagans already celebrated, only now it is celebrated as a christian holiday.


There are several mentions of Kaaba by various Greek historians, some jewish scriptures, the truth is somewhere outthere, where exactly, nobody knows.

Here is a very good article about it:

www.submission.org...


The lunar calender was used long time before Muhammad, if I remember correctly. I think that the first lunar calender in that part of the world was developed by Sumerians, and that tradition never died.

Ramadan is the lunar month in which Mohammad received the first words of Quran (notably the 27th night of Ramadan), that is the reason why it is so special, and that whole month is devoted to fasting, charity, special aditional prayers and such. Also during that month years later, Muslims fought a very important battle, so that is celebrated too.

When compared with solar calender, the start of Ramadan moves backwards through it, due to the fact that lunar months have 28/29 days.
Example, this year Ramadan started on october 15 of solar calender, next year it will be october 5th and so on.
So, I don't know about Leonids, and how they tie in with all that. I mean, if they do occur at the same time every year in solar calender, it is not the same month of the lunar one.

The meteor rock in Kaaba, well its origins are a mystery. It was there before Mohammad and he didn't order it to be removed, so it is the only thing that stayed from the old belief.
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