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posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 11:00 PM
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marhaba


Well the camp in Cuba is just few acreage while TIbet is a whole country. Still big difference.


Tibet isn't a country, it's a part of the PRC. Cuba is an independent state, and you militarily occupy part of it and operate a concentration camp in the part you occupy.


Only the Chinese insist that Tibet part of China, everyone else does not think so.
Give it up chinaman.




posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 11:06 PM
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Uhhhhh . . . it depends on which way the political winds are blowing from Beijing that week, month or season.

Some hyper patriots may hate America out of a Marxist mind-set. Some because of America's arrogance and influence around the world.

And there have been ebbing and flowing signs some the last 15 years or more of some increased fostering of anti-Americanism on the part of officials from Beijing--depending--on which way the political winds are blowing.

There are reports of many Chinese restaurant owners in the USA having relatives in China who are convinced that China invading the USA is only a question of WHEN, NOT if . . . and that the when is NOT THAT FAR off.

You can bet that prior to such an invasion, the HATE AMERICA meme will be intensified across the culture and the media.

It likely won't fly with a major proportion of the populace . . . UNLESS the globalists stage something on America's part that looks extremely unfair from the Chinese perspective. Then the Nationalism against America will go through the roof.

Chinese admire power . . . and as America is brought to ashes by the globalist oligarchy, even that attraction will be wholesale trashed if not gone completely.



posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 11:15 PM
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BO XIAN
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Uhhhhh . . . it depends on which way the political winds are blowing from Beijing that week, month or season.

Some hyper patriots may hate America out of a Marxist mind-set. Some because of America's arrogance and influence around the world.

And there have been ebbing and flowing signs some the last 15 years or more of some increased fostering of anti-Americanism on the part of officials from Beijing--depending--on which way the political winds are blowing.

There are reports of many Chinese restaurant owners in the USA having relatives in China who are convinced that China invading the USA is only a question of WHEN, NOT if . . . and that the when is NOT THAT FAR off.

You can bet that prior to such an invasion, the HATE AMERICA meme will be intensified across the culture and the media.

It likely won't fly with a major proportion of the populace . . . UNLESS the globalists stage something on America's part that looks extremely unfair from the Chinese perspective. Then the Nationalism against America will go through the roof.

Chinese admire power . . . and as America is brought to ashes by the globalist oligarchy, even that attraction will be wholesale trashed if not gone completely.




I've got a colleague who was so impressed with China so he visited it. When he came back he only said one thing, "The Chinese people there, they're arrogant." I can't get anything more out of him why, he seems to be disillusioned.

So what you're saying that China really believes they can invade anyone including the US is so plausible.



posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 11:38 PM
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Oh, so first you lied about the number of Chinese military, which some of you even tried to claim are just civilians, and now you are making excuses that since there have been American tourists in Asia, and Chinese tourists in the U.S. it is fine and dandy to have Chinese troops in U.S. soil performing military exercises?... Really?...

Hummm... I wonder from where did I get the idea that the Chinese government has been drilling their people and military into hating the U.S. and seeing us as enemies?...

Let's see...

Maybe because for decades they have threatened to use nuclear weapons against the U.S.?...


Chinese state media show plans for nuke strikes on US cities

November 2, 2013 ⋅ 9:30 am ⋅ Post a comment

Filed Under China, Nuclear, strike, US

Chinese state-run media revealed for the first time this week that Beijings nuclear submarines can attack American cities as a means to counterbalance U.S. nuclear deterrence in the Pacific.

On Monday, leading media outlets including China Central TV, the People’s Daily, the Global Times, the PLA Daily, the China Youth Daily and the Guangmin Daily ran identical, top-headlined reports about the “awesomeness” of the People’s Liberation Army navy’s strategic submarine force.

...

www.yalibnan.com...


Chinese General Threatens Use of A-Bombs if U.S. Intrudes


By JOSEPH KAHN

Published: July 15, 2005

BEIJING, Friday, July 15 - China should use nuclear weapons against the United States if the American military intervenes in any conflict over Taiwan, a senior Chinese military official said Thursday.
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www.nytimes.com...

Taiwan has been an ally of the U.S. for a long time and they want their freedom from China, but of course the Chinese government can't have that...

Maybe because the Chinese government has been arming and threatened to defend U.S. enemies like North Korea when such enemies have made threats also to use nuclear weapons against the U.S.?...


North Korea threatens to nuke America, destroy ‘aggressors’

By Cheryl K. Chumley and Shaun Waterman

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The Washington Times

Thursday, March 7, 2013


A furious North Korea threatened Thursday to attack America with nuclear weapons as punishment for perceived Western aggression - saber-rattling that came as the United Nations readied more sanctions against the Kim Jong-un’s rogue regime.

An unnamed spokesman in Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry office said North Korea will launch “a preemptive nuclear attack to destroy the strongholds of the aggressors,” The Associated Press reports.
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Maybe because they have been threatening for decades to destroy the economy of the U.S...



China Threatens To Cripple U.S. Economy

January 01, 2011 Thomas Heffner

China now has accumulated trillions of U.S. dollars of currency reserves, of which nearly $800 billion are in U.S. treasury bonds. This has happened through their escalating balance of trade surpluses with America – they sell to us much more than we sell to them. In the process, China has been instrumental in putting many of our American manufacturers out of business.
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economyincrisis.org...

Maybe because many high ranking Chinese officers have been voicing threats against the U.S. for decades, and we are talking about military officers who are completely controlled by the Chinese government...

Maybe because they have been also arming and siding with enemies of the U.S. like terrorists, not only nations that consider themselves and consider as enemies...




China Arming Iran, Iran To Terrorists, Chinese Weapons Used Against U.S. Troops


China arming terrorists
Inside the Ring
By Bill Gertz
The Washington Times
June 15, 2007

New intelligence reveals China is covertly supplying large quantities of small arms and weapons to insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban militia in Afghanistan, through Iran.

U.S. government appeals to China to check some of the arms shipments in advance were met with stonewalling by Beijing, which insisted it knew nothing about the shipments and asked for additional intelligence on the transfers. The ploy has been used in the past by China to hide its arms-proliferation activities from the United States, according to U.S. officials with access to the intelligence reports.
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johnib.wordpress.com...

Maybe because they have been successfully at attacking the United States not only economically, but through cyber-threats?...



Experts: Chinese Cyber Threat to US Is Growing
Jul. 9, 2013 - 03:45AM | By WENDELL MINNICK

TAIPEI — Despite allegations by Edward Snowden that the US intelligence community has created an Orwellian nightmare capable of penetrating Chinese computers with ease, there is still plenty to fear from Chinese cyberattacks.

China divides cyber into two target areas: political and military, said Jun Isomura, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, a Washington think tank. On the political side, Chinas cyber efforts focus on the White House, State Department, Energy Department and the Office of the US Trade Representative, among others.

Military targets include the entire US defense community, including US intelligence and the defense industry. Law firms contracted with major US defense contractors and the Pentagon arequite vulnerable,” he said.

The People’s Liberation Army has the US military and government network “well pinged,” Isomura said. “They know where they should attack. And they know both classified and unclassified networks well.”

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www.defensenews.com...


And the above are only some examples, but I am sure you will find new excuses to lie, and dismiss this topic...


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posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 11:51 PM
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Oh, and let's not forget the book, alongside other publication, made by Chinese military officers with the blessing of the CPC/PLA on how to attack the U.S...

The following book was published in 1999, 2 years before 9/11, and it specifies ways to attack the U.S. by attacking the economy, cyber-attacks, and by using terrorists, and it names Osama Bin Laden to make terrorist attacks, among other tactics against the United States as a new and improved way to attack and defeat the United States which they call Unrestricted Warfare...




18 January 2000. Thanks to MD.
Source: www.terrorism.com... (228 pages; 389K)

This document is available Zipped: cryptome.org... (188K)

FBIS is the CIA's Foreign Broadcast Information Service, which collects and translates reports from around the globe.

Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui



(Beijing: PLA Literature and Arts Publishing House, February 1999)



Unrestricted Warfare, by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui (Beijing: PLA Literature and Arts Publishing House, February 1999)

[FBIS Editor's Note: The following selections are taken from "Unrestricted Warfare," a book published in China in February 1999 which proposes tactics for developing countries, in particular China, to compensate for their military inferiority vis-à-vis the United States during a high-tech war. The selections include the table of contents, preface, afterword, and biographical information about the authors printed on the cover. The book was written by two PLA senior colonels from the younger generation of Chinese military officers and was published by the PLA Literature and Arts Publishing House in Beijing, suggesting that its release was endorsed by at least some elements of the PLA leadership. This impression was reinforced by an interview with Qiao and laudatory review of the book carried by the party youth league's official daily Zhongguo Qingnian Bao on 28 June.

Published prior to the bombing of China's embassy in Belgrade, the book has recently drawn the attention of both the Chinese and Western press for its advocacy of a multitude of means, both military and particularly non-military, to strike at the United States during times of conflict. Hacking into websites, targeting financial institutions, terrorism, using the media, and conducting urban warfare are among the methods proposed. In the Zhongguo Qingnian Bao interview, Qiao was quoted as stating that "the first rule of unrestricted warfare is that there are no rules, with nothing forbidden." Elaborating on this idea, he asserted that strong countries would not use the same approach against weak countries because "strong countries make the rules while rising ones break them and exploit loopholes . . .The United States breaks [UN rules] and makes new ones when these rules don't suit [its purposes], but it has to observe its own rules or the whole world will not trust it." (see FBIS translation of the interview, OW2807114599).
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www.cryptome.org...

You can even read a free copy of the book from the link above.

But next you are going to make new excuses right?...


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posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 12:06 AM
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Didn't the new Red Dawn tried to paint the PLA as enemies before putting North Korea as an Enemy?



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 12:09 AM
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starwarsisreal

Didn't the new Red Dawn tried to paint the PLA as enemies before putting North Korea as an Enemy?


Except that I am not talking about a movie, but about facts.

Kind of a big difference in case you didn't know.



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 12:17 AM
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Maybe it's all a case of "keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer"

Clearly, many Americans are also raised to see China as still the enemy



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 01:11 AM
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marhaba

Act1Scene1

marhaba


Well the camp in Cuba is just few acreage while TIbet is a whole country. Still big difference.


Tibet isn't a country, it's a part of the PRC. Cuba is an independent state, and you militarily occupy part of it and operate a concentration camp in the part you occupy.


Only the Chinese insist that Tibet part of China, everyone else does not think so.
Give it up chinaman.


I'm not insisting that it is, the facts are that for more than 100 years, Tibet has been part of China.

It's a painful fact, get used to it.

And I'm no Chinaman, but congratulations for lowering the tone with some casual racism.



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 05:50 AM
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Sadly, you and your friend are quite accurate.

Arrogance seems to be even more genetic with the Chinese (And Japanese and Koreans) than even the rest of humanity . . . if that's possible.

Certainly it's a major cultural habit, meme, theme, value.

Thankfully, there are many humble Chinese. However, arrogance seems to rule the roost in government . . . as it does in the USA, within the globalist elite running things . . . etc.

People are people the world over. There's alcoholism, ATTACHMENT DISORDER, workaholism, fornication, adultery, spouse abuse, child abuse, etc. etc. However, the Chinese flavors of all that virtually always have huge levels of arrogance integrally woven into all such . . . if possible, more even than in the USA.

When I was there, the bicycle was the mode of transport for the masses with even few motorcycles and fewer cars. In the city I lived in, all the bicycles were covered in scratches and rust. All of them.

Yet, in the mass and crush of bicycles, one could bump or scrape another. INSTANTLY there was a flash of anger and arrogance and the two riders involved were at each other's throats . . . in one case, with broom sticks or some such. I can't imagine that they'd even have been able to FIND the latest minor scratch yet they were ready to throttle one another big time--OVER PRIDE, PERCEIVED loss of face.

In another case . . . traveling down the street . . . was a smartly dressed woman--dressed stylishly to the hilt . . . IIRC, red shoes . . . might have even been low high heels . . . going to work, I assumed . . . given the time of day . . . on her very rusty scratched bicycle . . . head held high; very determined in her expression . . .

Their tenacity and patience are incredible.

And when they talk about THE CHINESE CENTURY or THE CHINESE MILLENNIUM--which they are convinced they have begun--THEY ARE DEADLY SERIOUS. It is a DEEPLY AND INTENSELY held, heart-level NATIONAL meme, theme, goal, DESTINY, in their view--their RIGHTFUL DESTINY.

And they jolly well are determined to SEIZE IT . . . even if it means, and particularly if it means shoving it down the throats of the rest of the world.

It will be interesting to see who builds the tallest tower, really . . . Dubai or Shanghai or Beijing or Hong Kong. I would not count Shanghai out.

The Chinese would NOT HESITATE a microsecond to SEIZE the whole of the USA, if they could . . . or to die trying . . . just on the issue of the USA debt they hold.

They likely feel that they legitimately own us by the testicles already.

They'll see it as merely coming to take possession of what they already hold the title deed to.

.



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 05:56 AM
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ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

Excellent points and sources.

And, you, imho, have just scratched the most obvious surface.

You can bet that the Chinese have been quietly working MORE thoroughly and ruthlessly under the surface to set up their 'victories' over the USA in any looming conflicts.



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 05:56 AM
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I'm not insisting that it is, the facts are that for more than 100 years, Tibet has been part of China.

It's a painful fact, get used to it.

And I'm no Chinaman, but congratulations for lowering the tone with some casual racism.


The people of Tibet are not used to it. In fact to this day there are still demonstrations against the oppression of the Chinese on the people of Tibet... Not only that but to this day the Chinese still use scare tactics, and even torture and murder people in Tibet.

The people of Tibet shouldn't have to "get used to it"...



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 11:11 AM
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I am having a hard time even following your rambling. Lets go over this again. In 1998 the US and China signed a defense agreement. In that agreement they agreed to work together in several areas like disaster relief, counter terrorism, anti piracy etc. As a part of that agreement members of the Chinese military traveled to Hawaii every year to take part with US counter parts in a table excercise on international disaster response, something the US has been doing very well for decades and China as an emerging power is learning. 15 years later they decided that they should expand the two day excercise by a couple days and get some hands on training. So 60 Chinese some from Civilian Disaster agencies and some engineers and medical specialist from the Chinese military are meeting up with 50 US personel, some from FEMA, some from the Army Corps of engineers, some from the National Guard. They will spend a day doing some hands on disaster training. So that is that.

Now we can cover China in general. China is a nation who depends on trade with US. They had a booming economy that is now hitting the same problems any low wage manufacturing style economy runs into. China is Japan in the 1980s. Everything people say and fear about China now they said and feared about Japan then. Of course Japan had the same problems China has now moving from and industrial economy to a modern one.

China also is in a very bad way in a strategic sense. They have some of the largest Armys on eath on their borders. Russia, India, The Koreas, Vietman, Burma and with none of them are ties all that great. While willing to work with Russia at times to counter US dominance in the world, Russia and China also complete for the uphand on nations of the former soviets states in the region. They complete on the arms markets and in many other areas. Future conflcit with Russia is far more likely than a future conflict with the US.

Ties with North Korea are strained and tense. They not good with Vietnam, India, and Burma either. To make matters worse is just off the coast Taiwan remains a threat. Even though the US does not recognize Taiwan as a nation the US still arms them. Japan has much more modern military that China fears coulld be quickly expanded and quickly made nuclear. The their is ASEAN Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand , Brunei, Burma, Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam. Already half those states are US allies and the rest are all pushing for closer US ties. And filling out the region are US allies South Korrea, Australia and New Zealand. A US fleet more powerful than the entire Chinese Navy is always in the region along with other US forces though out the region.

The Chinese military is large not very mobile. Designed to defend its long borders agains other large not very mobile forces. China has made and effort to create more modern western style units but, they are expensive and mostly designed to deal with potential Russia armor thrusts. China is very aware the US could simply cut of its sea lanes endind access to both trade and oil. China has every reason in the world to fear the US. And they do to some extent but, they also see that they have much more in common with the US than don't. The open flow of trade and oil are vital to China and only one nation on Earth can guarantee that. China also has a growing Islamic insurgency in its western providences that is resulting in China working much closer with the US in the areas of courter terrorism. China however also sees nothing wrong with arming states that are hostile to the US because the US does the same thing to them.

Clearly China sees the US as a global partner and while it fears the potential threat of the US to bring harm to it also does not see the US an enemy. A compedative to be sure but, in most areas China and the US are have common goals. They also see the idea that they are any threat to US as laughable and are perplexed by some American rhetoric that makes such claims.



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 04:17 PM
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America sold out to china decades ago by allowing wall street to outsource manufacturing there and then import the finished american brand merchandise tariff free at a much higher profit margin than if made in the usa. I guess the chineese workers get to make a few bucks while getting the taste of croney capitalism judeo chineese style.

If you are going to sell out america financially, then might as well sell out militaristically as well. Clinton did that back in the 90s by giving them our national security secrets, now Obama feels its ok to let chineese troops drill with american troops in hawaii just in case some other random disaster happens.

Just goes to show the american government has no respect for america! They seem incapable at solving existant problems, but very capable worstening them.

Whomever is running america has so much contempt for the voters that they actually brag about their treason now. I would guess the federal reserve stockholders run america since they dont allow any congressional oversight and the entity has never been audited.



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 09:23 PM
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Oh, that would be exactly like how you to this day do not want Palestine to be an independent country, and far from just preventing them from writing a constitution, you are prepared to fund and arm a continuous, indiscriminate war/genocide against it.


Israel does not want Palestine to be an independent Country, not the U.S.


You, as a US Citizen, really want to go there? Whilst your country militarily occupies and runs a concentration camp in Cuba? Really?


El wrongO. We have been on Cuba since 1901. The island would now be a providence of Spain, not Cuba, if not for us. The first President of Cuba, Tomás Estrada Palma signed an open-ended lease to The United States of America in 1903, and we pay them to be there.

Just because some Marxists overthrew the Government decades later does not void that open-ended agreement. I understand how the Cubans feel, but how many of them feel that way today? If I were Cuban, I would want the U.S out most likely, so I understand their position.

I also understand The Revolution that occurred in Cuba, I have studied it and in many ways I admire Fidel, but only as a revolutionary because I am not a believer of his political doctrine. That is an entire different discussion anyway.

Look, The U.S is there for regional security in the Caribbean area, because we can't count on Cuba to provide security to a very vulnerable region. They also had no problems allowing Russian ships 90 miles off the coast of Florida back during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Listen, I don't like our corrupt Government, or what went on at Guantanamo either, but this is real security that we actually need. ~$heopleNation



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 09:46 PM
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Act1Scene1
Tibet isn't a country, it's a part of the PRC.


You mean it is now not a Country, after China invaded it in 1950, and now occupies it? Yeah, They murdered many peaceful and innocent people.


Cuba is an independent state, and you militarily occupy part of it and operate a concentration camp in the part you occupy.


My, my, my, what the hypocritical little spin artist that we have here with you, now do we not? Your argument is an absolute joke.

The U.S occupies not one single Nation at the moment. Yes we have troops in some Countries, but they have their own governments that we answer to, even if a few are puppet governments. My feelings about our foreign international bankster occupied corrupt government is an entire different discussion.

However, I will not sit back and allow you to lie for The Chinese, to dishonor the people of Tibet, or for whatever reasons that you have against us Americans, throw us all under the bus because you did not bother to educate yourself about the subjects that you speak of. ~$heopleNation



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 09:49 PM
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Whomever is running america has so much contempt for the voters that they actually brag about their treason now. I would guess the federal reserve stockholders run america since they dont allow any congressional oversight and the entity has never been audited.


EC, That is the sad truth that we as a people are now facing. I could not have said it better myself. ~$heopleNation



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 09:37 AM
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BO XIAN
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The PX?

I suspect that the Chinese could find MORE things at reasonable prices in China . . . including Hong Kong.

Besides, there's always "The backdoor" route to purchases . . . friends and relatives with companies or connections to get a better deal.



Yeah, based on my experience with their 2006 ship visit to San Diego. The amount of junk food they bought was incredible. Pretty much bought out everything in the ship's store during their ship tours. Along with ship's ball caps and lighters have always been popular.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 09:59 AM
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SheopleNation

You mean it is now not a Country, after China invaded it in 1950, and now occupies it? Yeah, They murdered many peaceful and innocent people.


Tibet became a part of China nearly 50 years before the PRC came into being. Tibet was subjected to the same transitions that other provinces and regions of China were.

You wanna talk about murder of many peaceful and innocent people? If you listen closely, you might be able to hear the sound of a Predator Drone. I hear they have a good track record of killing women and children without hitting whatever target a drugged up, dumbed down US soldier smashes into a computer.

Should I start talking about how you like to supply and use WP and DU weapons against civilians?



SheopleNation My, my, my, what the hypocritical little spin artist that we have here with you, now do we not? Your argument is an absolute joke.


You think? Not as funny as the ball you are about to drop. Also your personal attacks have been flagged.


SheopleNation
The U.S occupies not one single Nation at the moment.


HAHAHAHA. Except for the bit of Cuba you stole. Except for Iraq. Except for Afghanistan. Christ, is there a country your military does not base itself in?


SheopleNation
Yes we have troops in some Countries,
.

Oh but earlier you did not? Typical yank hypocrisy right here.


SheopleNation
but they have their own governments that we answer to, even if a few are puppet governments. My feelings about our foreign international bankster occupied corrupt government is an entire different discussion.


You have no feelings about your government. Your education system does not now and did not give you, or any other US citizen the ability to rationally construct critical thought. You are taught to repeat the lies only a yank could be stupid enough to believe.


SheopleNation
However, I will not sit back and allow you to lie for The Chinese


Nobody here is lying for the Chinese. Facts are Facts. Tibet hasn't been a country for more than 100 years, live with it son.


SheopleNation
to dishonor the people of Tibet


What people of Tibet? As we have established, Tibet is not a country, it is a region of China. It is not possible to dishonour something that does not exist.


SheopleNation
or for whatever reasons that you have against us Americans, throw us all under the bus because you did not bother to educate yourself about the subjects that you speak of. ~$heopleNation


Look! More yank hypocrisy, now there is a surprise!


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posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 10:15 AM
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I think this is a good thing.
Sounds like the US and China are on friendlier terms than I thought.

We used to drill with foreign troops often when I was stationed in Hawaii.

And yeah, the US is in no position to criticise another country's occupation of another nation.


Who is the US occupying?




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