CAUGHT ON TAPE: Obamacare Navigators Counsel Applicants to Lie

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posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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Obamacare Navigators working for Enroll America
have been caught on tape advising applicants to lie to hide income,
in order to get lower premiums through subsidies, and avoid
IRS audits. Project Veritas has captured actual video footage.




as if the roll-out of Obamacare hasn't been disastrous enough,
Project Veritas has caught Obamacare navigators counseling citizens
to lie about their income and deceive the IRS, commit fraud on
applications by not reporting full health history, and worse.

Despite reassurances that "fraud could not be committed,"
clearly, that is not the case.

Obamacare Navigators counseled applicants by saying:

"You lie because your premiums will be higher."

"Never report it ...

I always lie on my applications."

"It didn't happen."

American Thinker


Enroll America is found to be sharing data and working directly
with Battleground Texas whose regional field director proudly
notes the group was “started by President Obama’s national field director”.

So, it seems that ACA is already rife with corruption,
in addition to it being a complete failure, this is all going to add
up to higher premiums for everyone, and fewer people
who actually have insurance.

edit on 12-11-2013 by burntheships because: (no reason given)




posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:42 PM
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Everyone's in on it in some way, i thought it was greedy doctors messing things up, now actual advisers....

Stunning! Jaw left hanging.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:48 PM
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Well, it's a sad thing, but this industry / system has become SO greedy and corrupt that people basically have to lie, many times, in order to get fair coverage and not get completely raped by the insurance companies.

I wish it were different, but it's not. And until the insurance companies start operating differently, in a way that's more fair for the consumer, there will always be a strong incentive to lie.


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posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:48 PM
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I kinda wish they would just grow some balls and just stick a gun in my face like a proper robbery. I could at least respect that. Id prefer it to all this sneaking covert corruption.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:51 PM
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And these Navigators are given grant money, and tax money
paid to them by The Federal Government....in essence
paid to advise people to commit fraud.

Wow, this is completely insane.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:55 PM
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iwilliam
until the insurance companies start operating differently


You mean until Obamcare is replaced by a single payer socialist program?



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 01:05 PM
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Opening estimates are that subsidies will cost
113 billion dollars by the time this is implemented full force.


The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has estimated that this new
premium assistance program will cost $113 billion annually by 2019, with
premium assistance going to an additional 19 million Americans
(the Medicaid expansion will add 16 million new people to the
program at a cost of $97 billion in 2017).
www.obamacarewatch.org...


I seriously doubt this pig will fly.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 01:13 PM
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I'll stop lying to the government when they stop lying to me.

I figure they're MASSES of lies ahead of me, so nothing I could lie about at this point in time would even come close to achieving equity.** I even once considered using black magic marker to redact certain places on my income tax form, but decided not to rock the boat just yet.

As far as 'defrauding the government', how can you steal money from an entity that prints it out of thin air?

I still don't get this. Why do they need our tax money (actually representing earned income, 'earned' as in 'worked for') when the Fed can just wave their magic wand and make money appear in a ledger as if by magic?

How the hell do they have debts when they can declare the right to manufacture wealth from nothing?

**In the former Soviet Union, this was termed, 'we pretend to work, they pretend to pay us'...



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 01:19 PM
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This is far more about The Navigators being paid a salary to tell
people how to commit fraud.

Honestly (pun intended) do not see how a massive system built
on lies can function to benefit anyone.

Dont become a slave to the lie.
The truth will set you free.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 01:25 PM
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Hi Burntheships.

One person in the video relates how they only make 15000 a year, but do odd jobs on the side like cleaning yards, etc.

Not many people in or out of poverty level income brackets have to be told not to report that income to the IRS.

Before too many people get upset about it they should ask themselves what they would do in a similar situation.

My guess is even rich people don't report a lot of their income (sarcasm).



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 01:25 PM
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burntheships

iwilliam
until the insurance companies start operating differently


You mean until Obamcare is replaced by a single payer socialist program?


It should have been single payer all along. The individual mandate was a license to steal for the insurance companies. America has many socialist programs the one program that has been missing is a healthcare system. Had the Second Bill of Rights gotten passed we would have had a national healthcare back in 44 or 45. This is what those rights would have been.

Second Bill of Rights


It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.

This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living; The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.
For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.


It's a shame he never got these passed.
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posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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Look at my signature, it sums up my sentiments on this issue (as well as the irony).



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 01:45 PM
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intrptr
Hi Burntheships.

One person in the video relates how they only make 15000 a year, but do odd jobs on the side like cleaning yards, etc.



Oh, I hear ya...
And not to be upset at anyone who cant afford insurance.

Honesty not surprised by this kind of fraud being funded
by The Feds. However, this is not going to work for the
betterment of people, it is only creating another corrupt
branch of government.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 01:48 PM
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buster2010

America has many socialist programs the one program
that has been missing is a healthcare system.


Ah, how quaint. Said in the true spirit of socialism,
and echos of Harry Reid.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 01:57 PM
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burntheships
So, it seems that ACA is already rife with corruption,
in addition to it being a complete failure, this is all going to add
up to higher premiums for everyone, and fewer people
who actually have insurance.



ACA was already rife with corruption the moment the lobbyist from insurance companies were having close doors meeting with the administration.

Now that most people will get to fry for no qualifying for the subsidies and no been able to afford the premiums they are advised to lie so the government can meet the enrollment quota.

Then you most ask who is allowing the corruption on the enrollments the workers or the government telling the workers to help as many as they can so they can get insurance and get the numbers up.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 01:58 PM
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Isn't that the same MO that happened with Obama's pet weasel Van Jones & crew and the early Socialist schemes they ran on our inner city brothers and sisters?

Catch Van now on CIA-NN!

You are a true warrior and ATS gold, BTS!





posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 02:02 PM
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marg6043

they are advised to lie so the government can meet the enrollment quota.

Then you most ask who is allowing the corruption on the enrollments the workers or the government telling the workers to help as many as they can so they can get insurance and get the numbers up.



Thank you Marge, I can always count on you to cut right through the
bs and tell it like it is! This is exactly what is going on here.

To place this, seems like this one chalks up to more evidence
that this is really NOT about healthcare for everyone, it is about
destroying the people.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 02:09 PM
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The GUT
Isn't that the same MO that happened with Obama's pet weasel Van Jones & crew


Yep it sure is, also brings back memories of the ACORN debacle.
Get that Cloward Piven Feeling Yet?




posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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it is only creating another corrupt
branch of government.

Intrptr rubs eyes and looks at response again… I thought our government/ banking/ military/ corporate power structure was already the most corrupt entity on the planet?

But I get the Obama ass pect of it too.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 02:21 PM
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Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told a congressional panel on Wednesday that it was “possible” for an ObamaCare navigator to have been convicted of a felony.


Sebelius: ‘Possible’ for felon to become an ObamaCare navigator

And of course, this is with Obama's blessing 100%.

With all the lies and BeeEss spouting from the entire Administration, why should we be surprised ?

And why should we believe anything they say at all ?

The whole thing is a joke.

Be on full alert for I.D. theft !!






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