Koch Brothers try to dissuade young people from signing up for Obamacare w/ free beer and cornholes

Pladuim
Believe it or not, people can pay for their medical bills without having insurance.

Pladuim

That's one of the most out-of-touch-with-reality comments I've seen on ATS in while. Congrats. Sure, what you say is true-- IF you're wealthy, or you only get a minor cold every three years. Most of us are not wealthy enough to afford the insane costs of health care. Especially if they have a pre-existing condition, chronic illness, accident, etc etc etc.


I have to say, i find this move to be completely disgusting. And it really goes to show how the mind of the sociopathic billionaire works.


Don't get me wrong... I'm no fan of the health insurance industry. One of the most corrupt we have. And from what I've seen so far, i'm no lover of Obamacare, either. But what these disgusting leeches on humanity are doing, is spending their money trying to trick young people out of doing something that may be beneficial to them, simply because it serves their own agenda. Which is actually highly typical of the disgusting lecch behavior of the ruling class.


These people want a market without restrictions, so there is nothing protecting us, the "little people" from them and all their wealth-driven power. Period. They don't care about our freedom. They don't care about real "free market capitalism" (which actually requires restrictions to keep the power of the mega-wealthy in check). They care about their own freedoms to use their money and resources to ruthlessly plunder the poor, while lining their own pockets.


And they probably dislike Obamacare for the same reason wal mart dislikes Obamacare. (Which is not the same reason that "little people" like me dislike Obamacare.) They probably just don't want to have to pay (as they should, fairly) for employee healthcare.

theantediluvian
Seems like a similar premise to mandating car insurance.

No, not in the least. The similarities end when you acknowledge that the car insurance mandate (which is state mandated, by the way... not 10th Amendment violating federal mandate) is easily avoided by simply not owning a car. The only way around the ACA mandate is to not own American citizenship, which is certainly an attractive option these days.

reply to post by theantediluvian

I didn't say I disagreed with you, as a older and hopefully wiser person, I know now that insurance is a good thing to have.

The problem rests with convincing young people that they too will one day need medical assistance of some sort, I cannot speak for females, but try convincing a 18-35 yr old male he is in fact not bullet proof.

At that age, I would have rather paid the fine than spend $$ on medical coverage that I might or might not need, in fact I can name a few years in a row between 18-35 that I did not see a doctor for any reason at all, and didn't need to either.

That is the problem that ACA needs to overcome...bulletproof young adults.

burdman30ott6

theantediluvian
Wait, healthcare under the PPACA was supposed to become free?

www.lifesitenews.com...

Citing the ‘preventive services’ mandate that requires healthcare plans to provide sterilization, contraception and abortion-inducing drugs to women free of charge, Obama said, “I don’t think a college student in Fairfax or Charlottesville should have to choose between text books or the preventive care that she needs. That’s why we passed this law. And I am proud of it. It was the right thing to do. And we are going to keep it.”

Hmmm... I don't see anything in there about the same female student having to choose between textbooks and paying her monthly Obamacare premium (which she obviously didn't have to worry about before this ridiculousness began.)

It's blatently obvious to anyone who is even remotely sincere about this that the ACA was proposed as something far, far cheaper and far, far more economical than it has come to pass as really being. To pretend everything is as it was advertised is disingenuous at best.

Bankruptcy by premium or bankruptcy by medical bill... hmmm, one of those situations will only affect those who suffer a major medical catastrophie while the other is guaranteed to strike everyone who lives hand to mouth. Only in modern America! :rolleyes:

That source doesn't say anything about anything being "free?" Have you paid for text books lately? I just dropped $900 for one semester's worth of textbooks for my niece. So discouraging healthy people from signing up for Obamacare and paying the penalty lowers premiums how? Seems like the Koch brothers et al are throwing a lot of money at sabotaging the PPACA.

Ask yourself this: If the PPACA is so horrible, why would anyone need to sabotage it further by launching campaigns to dissuade 20-somethings from signing up for healthcare? Wouldn't it just implode all on its own? Do people commonly sabotage things that don't require sabotaging?

deadbang
reply to post by theantediluvian

 

I didn't say I disagreed with you, as a older and hopefully wiser person, I know now that insurance is a good thing to have.

The problem rests with convincing young people that they too will one day need medical assistance of some sort, I cannot speak for females, but try convincing a 18-35 yr old male he is in fact not bullet proof.

At that age, I would have rather paid the fine than spend $$ on medical coverage that I might or might not need, in fact I can name a few years in a row between 18-35 that I did not see a doctor for any reason at all, and didn't need to either.

That is the problem that ACA needs to overcome...bulletproof young adults.

I agree with you wholeheartedly and so do the Koch brothers which is why they are spending money to discourage young people from signing up for healthcare.

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I don't get it. Why spend money to prevent people from signing up for something they were never going to sign up for in the first place? Nobody is signing up for the Obamacare turd, especially not college students. Look I'm a conservative, I think Obamacare stinks, but I don't get the point of this. Obamacare is failing miserably on it's own merits.

dave0davidson
What exactly do they mean by free "cornhole"? Where I'm from that would not be a good thing.

This:

cornhole

Also called baggo. It's basically horseshoes played with bags and is very popular among college students to play at parties. Somehow I knew someone in this thread would ask this question.

burdman30ott6

theantediluvian
Seems like a similar premise to mandating car insurance.

No, not in the least. The similarities end when you acknowledge that the car insurance mandate (which is state mandated, by the way... not 10th Amendment violating federal mandate) is easily avoided by simply not owning a car. The only way around the ACA mandate is to not own American citizenship, which is certainly an attractive option these days.

You're ignoring a fundamental difference--unlike owning a car, people can't chose to not own a body and therefore are all but 100% assured of requiring healthcare at some point.

theantediluvian

camaro68ss

butcherguy
Obama offers health insurance at high prices.

Koch Bros. offer free beer and corn.

Gee, what does a young person pick?

The Koch Bros. just emphasized WTF is wrong with the basic premise of Obamacare.

The Kochs Bros are doing the young folks a service. Saving them money by not buying into Obamacare.

Im not sick, why do i need healthcare? If i join, all my funds will go to pay for the people that dont take care of themselfs. Sounds like spreading the wealth to me.

Ill take the fine, its cheaper.

So your argument is that college students don't need healthcare? College students don't get sick, don't have diseases, don't get into accidents, etc?

I suppose they won't age either? Do you understand how insurance works? If only sick people bought insurance, there could be no insurance.

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Who are these college students? Wasn't part of the ACA that children could remain on their parents' healthcare until they were 26?

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www.cnbc.com...
Granted, the "free" plans are practically worthless, but nonetheless, they do exist. (maybe)
And "free" in this case means everyone else pays for it.

Everybody knows Kochs do the best cornholes.

Think there's any chance they are deploying money in your best interest and not theirs? -snort- Me neither.

It doesn't matter anyway, College students can employ the Randian healthcare strategy. In summary, deny you need anything but freedom to stay healthy, then when you need to be saved, just go to a public funded emergency care, rack up big bills getting what you need and then file bankruptcy.

Looking after #1. Everyone else can bleed out. Where's my corn holes and beer?

welcome to 'murica.

jjkenobi
reply to post by theantediluvian

 

I don't get it. Why spend money to prevent people from signing up for something they were never going to sign up for in the first place? Nobody is signing up for the Obamacare turd, especially not college students. Look I'm a conservative, I think Obamacare stinks, but I don't get the point of this. Obamacare is failing miserably on it's own merits.

edit on 12-11-2013 by jjkenobi because: clarification

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..and yet, they are spending money to do just that. What does that tell you? It tells me that they are targeting the statistically healthiest segment of society to ensure that they won't sign up. If it's such a foregone conclusion that the PPACA is doomed to fail, why would anyone waste money sabotaging it?

If they don't think it's doomed to fail, why would the exact same people be spending money to fund still other groups to tell people that it's doomed?

ispyed
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

As your the richest country in the world why does the state not pay for everyone's healthcare?

Do you owe insurance companies a living?

So far, as far as I can figure it's because: "Commies!" ...or something.

I took a quick look at the Tampa bay News source linked in the OP. It contained the following:

David Pasch, the group's communication director, wrote in an email. "*Student activists independently brought (lots of) beer and liquor for consumption by those 21 and over. Oh yeah, and we educated students about their healthcare options outside the expensive and creepy Obamacare exchanges."

It seems that while the government is spending millions of taxpayers' dollars to persuade people to sign up for Obamacare, the Koch's are spending their own money to persuade college students there are options to signing up for it. (It was somewhere between 100 and 200 thousand dollars the government sent to the Baltimore Ravens to push Obamacare, and who knows how much on commercials.)

I know people are getting a little hot about this, but seriously, aren't we allowed to protest against government actions which we don't like?

And if you think that college students can't make up their own minds, does that explain why, as a group, they voted for Obama twice?

The government has already saddled us with $90 trillion in unfunded liabilities, and you liberals now want the government to give health insurance to every citizen? My god, you guys really want to see this country go up in flames, don't you? You must realize that these liberal policies do not, and cannot work, it's been proven time and again by empirical evidence, it leads to a massive peasant class and a ruling elite class, it's nothing more than feudalism disguised as concern, and the democrats have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.

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The beer I can see, but corn-holeing? Do I have to? Even if it is free, I would rather buy insurance, even Obamacare. Wait...what?....Oh... ahhhh...OK...got it.

Thanks for the clarification I was getting worried about what was going on!

Segway:

The Koch Bros and their ilk are as repulsive as the ACA cheerleaders. Where does one get off this train?

All that college kids need is high deductible hospitalization/surgery. Very cheap.

That's exactly what ObamaCare will prevent them from buying.

Galloping Socialism will leave us all in the poor-house--excepting the politicians, bankers, insiders, and the businessmen with "connections."

reply to post by charles1952

It seems that while the government is spending millions of taxpayers' dollars to persuade people to sign up for Obamacare, the Koch's are spending their own money to persuade college students there are options to signing up for it. (It was somewhere between 100 and 200 thousand dollars the government sent to the Baltimore Ravens to push Obamacare, and who knows how much on commercials.)

I know people are getting a little hot about this, but seriously, aren't we allowed to protest against government actions which we don't like?

Ding ding ding!!!!!

Finally! Someone whom is intelligent enough to throw down their political two party pom poms actually speaks some truth! (Not that I am insinuating you hold pom poms for either party Charles)

What I find amazing is that no one has brought up George Soros! Seems like both political parties are pretty good at selling their ass to the highest bidder if you ask me!

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That last line is one of those "well DUH" moments. Socialism seems to be failing in our land of democracy

I guess I'm really old…"korn hole" was a bad thing in my day…but also played with 2 people and 1 bag…