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Eidolon23
reply to post by 1ofthe9
You will notice that there is a sharp divide between the administrative researcher and the poor bastards utilized as conduits-- the Gellars, the Whiz Kids, etc. Even those like Sarfatti who go on to enjoy something like a productive career may be most gently described as "eccentric". God only knows what became of the less resilient ones.
Does it come down to aptitude? Or is it that those who are conducting the research have noted that you can't stick your fingers into the Control System without getting mangled, and so they employ others to do it for them?
Either way, simply having a structured frame for altering variables and observing the results probably constricts or distorts the phenomena one most desires to observe and quantify. Which is why you might look to the freerange Shaman types to yield new data.
And why you might build a playground toward which they would be likely to gravitate in order to discuss their experiences.
Eidolon23
reply to post by 1ofthe9
The people who are likely to give you funding/personnel/etc. have amply shown that, however altruistic their motives may be in the long run, they have no problem viewing other human beings as a crude resource (or as data points to be shuffled around) and treating them (and sometimes discarding them) accordingly. That might bug you, it sure does me.
If so, that only leaves seeking out direct experience (no thanks), or, like Vallee, corresponding with a wide range of experiencers and documenting the Wild cases on your own time/dime. Now that's a much easier prospect when you have several folks doing it together, and corroborating their findings.
cuckooold
Coming back to something spoken of earlier regarding the idea of Project Bluebeam, and the idea of projecting holograms into the sky. Now if perception can be controlled to the degree than some posters in these highly excellent threads have postulated, wouldn't it be easier just to project the belief that one has seen a gigantic triangle UFO (or whatever else) into the brain of selected individuals instead of trying to produce expensive holograms in the sky that would cost even the alphabet agencies a pretty penny (plus the length of time it would take for a version 1.0 Bluebeam release that is believable)?
I believe that some UFOs are real nuts and bolts craft (maybe not nuts and bolts, but some physically existing element or application thereof), but other encounters seem quite surreal, especially when moving into the twilight zone of abductions. After reading 'the Controllers', I have no doubt whatsoever that false memory implantation is a real technique that has been studied, and more than likely refined and purified into something highly potent and useful for a variety of applications. Due to the average layperson not being familiar with these seemingly esoteric manipulations of reality, locating and recognising these false memories is in its infancy, seeing that the NAZIs playing with this technology aren't apt to sharing with the plebs, and seem more than happy to water the seed that grows such (as I'm more and more inclined to believe) fruit as Zeta Reticuli Greys, deals with dead presidents to allow abductions, and the fantastical DUMBS like Dulce Base.
The Lazars, Lears, and missing fingered survivors of 'the Dulce Wars' are quite simply Vallee's Messengers of Deception in human form pushing what I call Fairy Tales for adults. A science fiction Hansel and Gretel, to keep the children pacified and enthralled in fantasy, while the tale-tellers are close to complete control of the populace. These same fascists that have been striving for complete control (much more so than Hitler or Stalin could have ever imagined) are so close, the machinery all in place, just perhaps needing to stage a terror attack or two so as to move a couple of pieces on the board and claim check-mate.
I'm not interested in those that say it is demons. Perhaps it is all humans, but my own inclination is that if there are entities manipulating our perceptions, there is more than likely what we would perceive as positive and negative manifestations of said phenomena. Humans see the world with anthropomorphic points of view (perhaps shamanism or certain applications of breathing techniques or chemicals can shatter this lock in our brains), and consequently it appears to be a constantly bewildering territory to venture into, with few reliable maps at our disposal.edit on 18-11-2013 by cuckooold because: (no reason given)
1ofthe9
Eidolon23
reply to post by 1ofthe9
The people who are likely to give you funding/personnel/etc. have amply shown that, however altruistic their motives may be in the long run, they have no problem viewing other human beings as a crude resource (or as data points to be shuffled around) and treating them (and sometimes discarding them) accordingly. That might bug you, it sure does me.
If so, that only leaves seeking out direct experience (no thanks), or, like Vallee, corresponding with a wide range of experiencers and documenting the Wild cases on your own time/dime. Now that's a much easier prospect when you have several folks doing it together, and corroborating their findings.
Indeed. It would seem that we've started to develop a small circle here thats doing just that. I will admit I am curious how one would go about directly engaging the phenomena, although from a theoretical perspective. The hazards would seem to be pretty evident - knowing where the 'do not cross' line is would be very useful from a practical research perspective.
JayinAR
1ofthe9
Eidolon23
reply to post by 1ofthe9
The people who are likely to give you funding/personnel/etc. have amply shown that, however altruistic their motives may be in the long run, they have no problem viewing other human beings as a crude resource (or as data points to be shuffled around) and treating them (and sometimes discarding them) accordingly. That might bug you, it sure does me.
If so, that only leaves seeking out direct experience (no thanks), or, like Vallee, corresponding with a wide range of experiencers and documenting the Wild cases on your own time/dime. Now that's a much easier prospect when you have several folks doing it together, and corroborating their findings.
Indeed. It would seem that we've started to develop a small circle here thats doing just that. I will admit I am curious how one would go about directly engaging the phenomena, although from a theoretical perspective. The hazards would seem to be pretty evident - knowing where the 'do not cross' line is would be very useful from a practical research perspective.
I've been there (directly engaging the phenomena) once before and it is NOT fun. Not at all.
And just recently there has been another uptick in strangeness in my life. Mostly orbs on the peripheral in my house, but past night I saw an orb in the sky.
At any rate, that seems to be how this crap starts and if you don't shut it out it builds. But this time I am much more prepared to deal with it thanks to the fine folks here who have taken the time to understand it.
Also to cuckoooold, they have had plans to project images of religious figures into the sky since the first gulf war. I am actually currently compiling info for a bluebeam thread that I think should be pretty good. Stay tuned.
ETA: I would also add that twice in the past week I seemed to see something move right in front of my eyes that I could not see.
Hard to explain. Like a wisp of a shadow.
Have any of you guys experienced any sort of strangeness recently?edit on 18-11-2013 by JayinAR because: (no reason given)
litmus1212
reply to post by JayinAR
Tread carefully brother...
I had a lot of high strangeness happen in my life at one time,
(some of it is here: www.abovetopsecret.com...)
Saying no and visualizing mental fortifications seem to help against the more negative beings, if you happen to come across them that is.edit on 18-11-2013 by litmus1212 because: (no reason given)
JayinAR
1ofthe9
Eidolon23
reply to post by 1ofthe9
The people who are likely to give you funding/personnel/etc. have amply shown that, however altruistic their motives may be in the long run, they have no problem viewing other human beings as a crude resource (or as data points to be shuffled around) and treating them (and sometimes discarding them) accordingly. That might bug you, it sure does me.
If so, that only leaves seeking out direct experience (no thanks), or, like Vallee, corresponding with a wide range of experiencers and documenting the Wild cases on your own time/dime. Now that's a much easier prospect when you have several folks doing it together, and corroborating their findings.
Indeed. It would seem that we've started to develop a small circle here thats doing just that. I will admit I am curious how one would go about directly engaging the phenomena, although from a theoretical perspective. The hazards would seem to be pretty evident - knowing where the 'do not cross' line is would be very useful from a practical research perspective.
I've been there (directly engaging the phenomena) once before and it is NOT fun. Not at all.
And just recently there has been another uptick in strangeness in my life. Mostly orbs on the peripheral in my house, but past night I saw an orb in the sky.
At any rate, that seems to be how this crap starts and if you don't shut it out it builds. But this time I am much more prepared to deal with it thanks to the fine folks here who have taken the time to understand it.
Also to cuckoooold, they have had plans to project images of religious figures into the sky since the first gulf war. I am actually currently compiling info for a bluebeam thread that I think should be pretty good. Stay tuned.
ETA: I would also add that twice in the past week I seemed to see something move right in front of my eyes that I could not see.
Hard to explain. Like a wisp of a shadow.
Have any of you guys experienced any sort of strangeness recently?edit on 18-11-2013 by JayinAR because: (no reason given)
JayinAR
Have any of you guys experienced any sort of strangeness recently?
Eidolon23
JayinAR
Have any of you guys experienced any sort of strangeness recently?
Increase in telepathic receptivity, pre-cog dreams (always about trifles, but still).
Eidolon23
JayinAR
Have any of you guys experienced any sort of strangeness recently?
Increase in telepathic receptivity, pre-cog dreams (always about trifles, but still).
anonentity
Eidolon23
JayinAR
Have any of you guys experienced any sort of strangeness recently?
Increase in telepathic receptivity, pre-cog dreams (always about trifles, but still).
I think you have to be a bit careful pushing things, mainly as it seems to leave you tired. Since the TV incident I seem to have had a nice degree of synchronicity with regards to the webs equivalent of the Library fairy. Whether conclusions can be drawn is another matter. The main thing to start on was the fact that in all the Psy phenomenon was anything actually real and repeatable. It seems the Society for Psychical Research, have endorsed some EVP's as an actual Psy events. Then I came across a researcher that followed the logic down the rabbit hole a bit further. His wife was sleeping in another room and he asked his wife if she could tell him via an EVP to the recorder,What he was holding in his hand. Among other things her recorded voice said a "crystal" which was right. Among some other interesting things she said she was reacting with deceased relatives in her sleep most of the time. But didn't remember saying this when she woke? The inference being that at present our two states of consciousness ie. being asleep and awake, the sleep part being and having the same state of consciousness as the departed. Manipulating a recording might be very well the same thing as causing a Flying saucer to appear, the main difference being the energy available. It would be a laugh if the main Saucer and Alien sightings were due to some kid going to sleep after a good Startrek episode. Or even watching some horror show, and leaving a load of confounded ghost hunters joining the Priesthood to save there souls, and the kid waking up in the morning telling mommy that he had a really great dream!. atransc.org... and thegroundoffaith.net... Was it Steve Jobs on his death bed that said "Its so simple" Either way its pointing to a non local holographic state of consciousness, and most likely the sleep state is being used to maintain our awake state because without the shift we don't last long anyway.
1ofthe9
anonentity
Eidolon23
JayinAR
Have any of you guys experienced any sort of strangeness recently?
Increase in telepathic receptivity, pre-cog dreams (always about trifles, but still).
I think you have to be a bit careful pushing things, mainly as it seems to leave you tired. Since the TV incident I seem to have had a nice degree of synchronicity with regards to the webs equivalent of the Library fairy. Whether conclusions can be drawn is another matter. The main thing to start on was the fact that in all the Psy phenomenon was anything actually real and repeatable. It seems the Society for Psychical Research, have endorsed some EVP's as an actual Psy events. Then I came across a researcher that followed the logic down the rabbit hole a bit further. His wife was sleeping in another room and he asked his wife if she could tell him via an EVP to the recorder,What he was holding in his hand. Among other things her recorded voice said a "crystal" which was right. Among some other interesting things she said she was reacting with deceased relatives in her sleep most of the time. But didn't remember saying this when she woke? The inference being that at present our two states of consciousness ie. being asleep and awake, the sleep part being and having the same state of consciousness as the departed. Manipulating a recording might be very well the same thing as causing a Flying saucer to appear, the main difference being the energy available. It would be a laugh if the main Saucer and Alien sightings were due to some kid going to sleep after a good Startrek episode. Or even watching some horror show, and leaving a load of confounded ghost hunters joining the Priesthood to save there souls, and the kid waking up in the morning telling mommy that he had a really great dream!. atransc.org... and thegroundoffaith.net... Was it Steve Jobs on his death bed that said "Its so simple" Either way its pointing to a non local holographic state of consciousness, and most likely the sleep state is being used to maintain our awake state because without the shift we don't last long anyway.
Have you seen the Scole experiment stuff? Also I've got the web fairy thing going on too. Unnerving at times, but at least its harmless. :p
1ofthe9
Any recurring archetypes showing up?