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posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 06:25 PM
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rigel4
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Most of it has been created to cover up the real
goings on... Black ops and testing.

They created the illusion which has now took on
it's own story.

Smoke and mirrors and swamp gas!


All there has to be is the perception that UFO's exist. There isn't real evidence, of a piece of saucer anywhere. There have been multiple witness sightings and photographs, but where's the hard evidence?. The illusion could well be maintained by a hologram. I'm sure that the projection of false targets, would be high on the tech dooable list. Air with a certain amount of moisture content could well be used as the projection screen.




posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 08:08 PM
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Blue Shift

1ofthe9
Anyone else getting the same view per chance?

The UFO/alien thing has always been a matter of perception. It has to do with the limits of our perceptions and our intelligence, forced on us by our physical natures, versus the actual and complete nature of reality and who or what we might unknowingly share it with.

I think it's difficult to exactly and truthfully say that we are being manipulated by a force or forces with an agenda (or at least an agenda we can comprehend). I think it has more to do with us trying very hard to fill in the gaps of our knowledge by making assumptions.

A car that smashes a bug against its windshield doesn't have an agenda, but other bugs might assume that it does.


I admit that could be the case. I have no idea what the truth is, not do I pretend to.
Its just very odd that the limits would manifest in such a way...



posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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anonentity

rigel4
reply to post by 1ofthe9
 


Most of it has been created to cover up the real
goings on... Black ops and testing.

They created the illusion which has now took on
it's own story.

Smoke and mirrors and swamp gas!


All there has to be is the perception that UFO's exist. There isn't real evidence, of a piece of saucer anywhere. There have been multiple witness sightings and photographs, but where's the hard evidence?. The illusion could well be maintained by a hologram. I'm sure that the projection of false targets, would be high on the tech dooable list. Air with a certain amount of moisture content could well be used as the projection screen.


Could be. The problem with the holography bit is that we have good cases that happened prior to 1962 (the development of the hologram) - and it would take years to get the tech to a level of maturity where that could be pulled off on a regular basis. Maybe the some cases in the 70's to 90's could be explained as such - but that still leaves radar-visual/trace cases.


The development and use of the narrative of little green men by the American government, imho, is just as interesting as the UFO phenomena itself. Why is it so important that we chase after little green men in saucers and ignore the bizarre intersection of military EM-brain interaction research and mysterious lights in the sky - classic magical misdirection (props to Aquino who tuned me into this stuff)? Are atmospheric plasmas that can mess with our heads really that deserving of over half a century of misdirection and deception? Why are all these wacky characters involved with military research into the occult wandering around this scene?

Ufology has spent the last thirty years chasing non-existent nuts and bolts craft and has gone nowhere. It would seem that people are finally listening to what Vallee and Keel told us back in the 1960's and 1970's. We might not have the phenomena interacting with us in the same way and to such an extent as it once did, but by examining what we have through this lense...we might just get somewhere.



posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 09:35 PM
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Oh what a tangled web we weave! I've run across some really intriguing information that I think folks watching me go at it will find most interesting.


www.zpenergy.com...
www.huffingtonpost.com...
vixra.org...

1. Robert Bigelow is really keen to get his hands on a wormhole.
2. Check out what Sarfatti writes, and keep in mind the stuff I've posted about secret schools and intelligence amplification.


I arrived at Cornell at age 17 on full scholarship arranged by Walter Breen who was
working on a gifted children project under Professor William Sheldon of Columbia
University Psychology Department financed by Eugene Mc Dermott, a co-founder of
Texas Instruments, with strong ties to US Intelligence from WWII. Phil Morrison, one of
the founders of SETI was my advisor.



Walter Breen attempted to induce paranormal powers in us kids (1954 – 56),
although no drugs were used. Agents allegedly from New Mexico who I met monitored
his project. I also met CIA Chief of Station Harold Chipman in mid 80’s who was very
much part of this project. Chipman wrote some of the episodes in the TV series “The
Enforcer”based on his CIA career. He also wrote a treatment for a screen play “The
Union” about a rogue CIA group like Vallee’s “Alintel” using remote viewing against the
Soviets. He was an important part of MK ULTRA going back to the fifties and had a
hand in the SRI remote-viewing (RV) project of Puthoff and Targ with astronaut Edgar
Mitchell and Brendan O Regan. Police Commissioner Pat Price was a close associate of
“Chip’s” and Price was a “star” of the RV project along with Uri Geller and Ingo Swann.
Puthoff was not aware of Chipman’s role in what he was doing at the time.


1956 is also when Puhrich started working on mushrooms with the aim to find a psi-enhancing drug for the CIA. From The GUT's posting in the Cash-Landrum thread:


In July 1975 Puhrich wrote to Hermans that "I am now turning my attention to healing work, and work with children. I started an experimental school. The 9 "space kids" are all here." (p.132.) Hermans' 14 year old son Andy was at Ossining at that time. "All the kids lived by themselves at the "Turkey Farm" a house on the estate and maintained a strict daily routine of meditation, dream telling sessions, hobby time workouts and swimming. They took turns cleaning the house and do the cooking. Either Andrija or somebody else would give talks on the hazards of drugs or smoking..." (p.132.) Speaking of her son Andy, Hermans said "...Andy never told me what it meant to be a 'space kid' until recently. If he had told me then that each kid was hypnotized in order to go back to his 'parent civilisation' I would probably have flipped and kept him home."

ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com.au...


Seems there is something to this stuff...

Edit: I recall reading a crash-retrieval account where children were recovered with no memory, and that they ended up in Silicon Valley. Does anyone remember where this was from - and how many kids were said to be involved?
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posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 10:53 PM
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I thought the name Walter Breen was familar; then I remembered...




Breen, a member of NAMBLA,[4] was initially convicted of child molestation or lewd behavior in Atlantic City in 1954, resulting in a probationary sentence.[7][11] During science fiction fandom's "Breendoggle" of 1963-1964, Breen was banned from attending Pacificon II and briefly blackballed from the subculture's main amateur press association after allegations of further pedophilic acts (including the abuse of a 10 year old boy) surfaced.[



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posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 05:05 PM
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1ofthe9

anonentity

rigel4
reply to post by 1ofthe9
 


Most of it has been created to cover up the real
goings on... Black ops and testing.

They created the illusion which has now took on
it's own story.

Smoke and mirrors and swamp gas!


All there has to be is the perception that UFO's exist. There isn't real evidence, of a piece of saucer anywhere. There have been multiple witness sightings and photographs, but where's the hard evidence?. The illusion could well be maintained by a hologram. I'm sure that the projection of false targets, would be high on the tech dooable list. Air with a certain amount of moisture content could well be used as the projection screen.


Could be. The problem with the holography bit is that we have good cases that happened prior to 1962 (the development of the hologram) - and it would take years to get the tech to a level of maturity where that could be pulled off on a regular basis. Maybe the some cases in the 70's to 90's could be explained as such - but that still leaves radar-visual/trace cases.


The development and use of the narrative of little green men by the American government, imho, is just as interesting as the UFO phenomena itself. Why is it so important that we chase after little green men in saucers and ignore the bizarre intersection of military EM-brain interaction research and mysterious lights in the sky - classic magical misdirection (props to Aquino who tuned me into this stuff)? Are atmospheric plasmas that can mess with our heads really that deserving of over half a century of misdirection and deception? Why are all these wacky characters involved with military research into the occult wandering around this scene?

Ufology has spent the last thirty years chasing non-existent nuts and bolts craft and has gone nowhere. It would seem that people are finally listening to what Vallee and Keel told us back in the 1960's and 1970's. We might not have the phenomena interacting with us in the same way and to such an extent as it once did, but by examining what we have through this lense...we might just get somewhere.


If there is such a thing as a "noosphere" or group consciousness, ie something that connects all life to some sort of mind. Which is the only thing that I can think, can be shown to have some merit, ie plants have nervous systems and feelings etc. (secret lives of plants) Then with regards to the "Global Consciousness project. Then this medium might be something that focuses the (aspirations and fears of humanity as a whole)into something that can be seen and heard. The psychokinetic manipulations of electrons, something with hardly any mass, but able to short out brain circuitry and any other electrical circuit. The sightings do seem to occur in places where piezoelectric currents abound in fault zones. Ancient monuments that may or may not have been sighted where ghost lights occur. Many years ago it would have been chariots pulled by flying horses then later Madonna or jesus appearing to the faithful as Christianity took over the mass mind...and now technologically advanced craft flown by otherworldly beings. At about the same time man has been flying the skies, and probing space. The phenomenon must have "will and energy" the will is from the noospere or the group consciousness and the energy from telluric currents. Electronic brain wipe missing time? missing time getting filled in with "Images generated by the brain" Nature hates a vacuum. Still a will of the whisp ? the lack of tangibility points to something of this sort.



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 05:59 PM
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anonentity

1ofthe9

anonentity

rigel4
reply to post by 1ofthe9
 


Most of it has been created to cover up the real
goings on... Black ops and testing.

They created the illusion which has now took on
it's own story.

Smoke and mirrors and swamp gas!


All there has to be is the perception that UFO's exist. There isn't real evidence, of a piece of saucer anywhere. There have been multiple witness sightings and photographs, but where's the hard evidence?. The illusion could well be maintained by a hologram. I'm sure that the projection of false targets, would be high on the tech dooable list. Air with a certain amount of moisture content could well be used as the projection screen.


Could be. The problem with the holography bit is that we have good cases that happened prior to 1962 (the development of the hologram) - and it would take years to get the tech to a level of maturity where that could be pulled off on a regular basis. Maybe the some cases in the 70's to 90's could be explained as such - but that still leaves radar-visual/trace cases.


The development and use of the narrative of little green men by the American government, imho, is just as interesting as the UFO phenomena itself. Why is it so important that we chase after little green men in saucers and ignore the bizarre intersection of military EM-brain interaction research and mysterious lights in the sky - classic magical misdirection (props to Aquino who tuned me into this stuff)? Are atmospheric plasmas that can mess with our heads really that deserving of over half a century of misdirection and deception? Why are all these wacky characters involved with military research into the occult wandering around this scene?

Ufology has spent the last thirty years chasing non-existent nuts and bolts craft and has gone nowhere. It would seem that people are finally listening to what Vallee and Keel told us back in the 1960's and 1970's. We might not have the phenomena interacting with us in the same way and to such an extent as it once did, but by examining what we have through this lense...we might just get somewhere.


If there is such a thing as a "noosphere" or group consciousness, ie something that connects all life to some sort of mind. Which is the only thing that I can think, can be shown to have some merit, ie plants have nervous systems and feelings etc. (secret lives of plants) Then with regards to the "Global Consciousness project. Then this medium might be something that focuses the (aspirations and fears of humanity as a whole)into something that can be seen and heard. The psychokinetic manipulations of electrons, something with hardly any mass, but able to short out brain circuitry and any other electrical circuit. The sightings do seem to occur in places where piezoelectric currents abound in fault zones. Ancient monuments that may or may not have been sighted where ghost lights occur. Many years ago it would have been chariots pulled by flying horses then later Madonna or jesus appearing to the faithful as Christianity took over the mass mind...and now technologically advanced craft flown by otherworldly beings. At about the same time man has been flying the skies, and probing space. The phenomenon must have "will and energy" the will is from the noospere or the group consciousness and the energy from telluric currents. Electronic brain wipe missing time? missing time getting filled in with "Images generated by the brain" Nature hates a vacuum. Still a will of the whisp ? the lack of tangibility points to something of this sort.



Oooh! Telluric currents! I hadn't thought about that!


Some of the proposed mechanisms of action for paranormal stuff seem to imply that it relies on temperature/voltage/*genericenergy* differentials in order to manifest. John Keel got this occasion and pointed out the outbreaks of fires in relation to UFO waves... There might just be a practical mechanism here for summoning UFOs if this turns out to be the case. I need to look into using flame to generate an electrostatic charge or something - if the right setup could be deduced there would be potential for !fun! in the Dwarf Fortress sense.



posted on Nov, 14 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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1ofthe9

anonentity

1ofthe9

anonentity

rigel4
reply to post by 1ofthe9
 


Most of it has been created to cover up the real
goings on... Black ops and testing.

They created the illusion which has now took on
it's own story.

Smoke and mirrors and swamp gas!


All there has to be is the perception that UFO's exist. There isn't real evidence, of a piece of saucer anywhere. There have been multiple witness sightings and photographs, but where's the hard evidence?. The illusion could well be maintained by a hologram. I'm sure that the projection of false targets, would be high on the tech dooable list. Air with a certain amount of moisture content could well be used as the projection screen.


Could be. The problem with the holography bit is that we have good cases that happened prior to 1962 (the development of the hologram) - and it would take years to get the tech to a level of maturity where that could be pulled off on a regular basis. Maybe the some cases in the 70's to 90's could be explained as such - but that still leaves radar-visual/trace cases.


The development and use of the narrative of little green men by the American government, imho, is just as interesting as the UFO phenomena itself. Why is it so important that we chase after little green men in saucers and ignore the bizarre intersection of military EM-brain interaction research and mysterious lights in the sky - classic magical misdirection (props to Aquino who tuned me into this stuff)? Are atmospheric plasmas that can mess with our heads really that deserving of over half a century of misdirection and deception? Why are all these wacky characters involved with military research into the occult wandering around this scene?

Ufology has spent the last thirty years chasing non-existent nuts and bolts craft and has gone nowhere. It would seem that people are finally listening to what Vallee and Keel told us back in the 1960's and 1970's. We might not have the phenomena interacting with us in the same way and to such an extent as it once did, but by examining what we have through this lense...we might just get somewhere.


If there is such a thing as a "noosphere" or group consciousness, ie something that connects all life to some sort of mind. Which is the only thing that I can think, can be shown to have some merit, ie plants have nervous systems and feelings etc. (secret lives of plants) Then with regards to the "Global Consciousness project. Then this medium might be something that focuses the (aspirations and fears of humanity as a whole)into something that can be seen and heard. The psychokinetic manipulations of electrons, something with hardly any mass, but able to short out brain circuitry and any other electrical circuit. The sightings do seem to occur in places where piezoelectric currents abound in fault zones. Ancient monuments that may or may not have been sighted where ghost lights occur. Many years ago it would have been chariots pulled by flying horses then later Madonna or jesus appearing to the faithful as Christianity took over the mass mind...and now technologically advanced craft flown by otherworldly beings. At about the same time man has been flying the skies, and probing space. The phenomenon must have "will and energy" the will is from the noospere or the group consciousness and the energy from telluric currents. Electronic brain wipe missing time? missing time getting filled in with "Images generated by the brain" Nature hates a vacuum. Still a will of the whisp ? the lack of tangibility points to something of this sort.



Oooh! Telluric currents! I hadn't thought about that!


Some of the proposed mechanisms of action for paranormal stuff seem to imply that it relies on temperature/voltage/*genericenergy* differentials in order to manifest. John Keel got this occasion and pointed out the outbreaks of fires in relation to UFO waves... There might just be a practical mechanism here for summoning UFOs if this turns out to be the case. I need to look into using flame to generate an electrostatic charge or something - if the right setup could be deduced there would be potential for !fun! in the Dwarf Fortress sense.


Well if you go out on a ghost hunt, there is the will and expectation, same thing with UFO watching, and preying in a church. Here we have the intent, as far as the energy goes, it seems that there are many theories for that. New Moon full moon etc. Certain days of the year sunspot activity etc. many reports of ghost and UFO and alien sightings have them, half formed from the waist up as if the energy isn't there to make a specific creation, but enough to wet the appetite.
Sometimes you have reports of things actually materialising, like fish or frogs, and even mustard seeds blowing in from nowhere. Which when planted grow. These cases seem to have natural things appearing from about three feet up, so the fall to ground level dosn't kill the whatever. The ley line thinking gets some credence when you look at the strange happenings on a line from about where, the Channel islands in the UK are to Southampton, the sightings and apparitions get to numerous to mention. This is literally everything from UFO's to the Mustard seed episode ghosts, Roman soldiers etc That would be a line from Carnac to Stonehenge. About magnetic north in those latitudes. This one is the hottest I've heard of. The reports of strangeness in that area should be "Pan Strangeness" Why should it manifest at one time with a UFO time slips ,Mustard seeds falling into a guys doorway from no where? twice, as it happened, a few doors down the year before. Which suggests timing repetition? predictability? Something that could once be manipulated consciously but now primed subconsciously like dream sequences?



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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anonentity

1ofthe9

anonentity

1ofthe9

anonentity

rigel4
reply to post by 1ofthe9
 


Most of it has been created to cover up the real
goings on... Black ops and testing.

They created the illusion which has now took on
it's own story.

Smoke and mirrors and swamp gas!


All there has to be is the perception that UFO's exist. There isn't real evidence, of a piece of saucer anywhere. There have been multiple witness sightings and photographs, but where's the hard evidence?. The illusion could well be maintained by a hologram. I'm sure that the projection of false targets, would be high on the tech dooable list. Air with a certain amount of moisture content could well be used as the projection screen.


Could be. The problem with the holography bit is that we have good cases that happened prior to 1962 (the development of the hologram) - and it would take years to get the tech to a level of maturity where that could be pulled off on a regular basis. Maybe the some cases in the 70's to 90's could be explained as such - but that still leaves radar-visual/trace cases.


The development and use of the narrative of little green men by the American government, imho, is just as interesting as the UFO phenomena itself. Why is it so important that we chase after little green men in saucers and ignore the bizarre intersection of military EM-brain interaction research and mysterious lights in the sky - classic magical misdirection (props to Aquino who tuned me into this stuff)? Are atmospheric plasmas that can mess with our heads really that deserving of over half a century of misdirection and deception? Why are all these wacky characters involved with military research into the occult wandering around this scene?

Ufology has spent the last thirty years chasing non-existent nuts and bolts craft and has gone nowhere. It would seem that people are finally listening to what Vallee and Keel told us back in the 1960's and 1970's. We might not have the phenomena interacting with us in the same way and to such an extent as it once did, but by examining what we have through this lense...we might just get somewhere.


If there is such a thing as a "noosphere" or group consciousness, ie something that connects all life to some sort of mind. Which is the only thing that I can think, can be shown to have some merit, ie plants have nervous systems and feelings etc. (secret lives of plants) Then with regards to the "Global Consciousness project. Then this medium might be something that focuses the (aspirations and fears of humanity as a whole)into something that can be seen and heard. The psychokinetic manipulations of electrons, something with hardly any mass, but able to short out brain circuitry and any other electrical circuit. The sightings do seem to occur in places where piezoelectric currents abound in fault zones. Ancient monuments that may or may not have been sighted where ghost lights occur. Many years ago it would have been chariots pulled by flying horses then later Madonna or jesus appearing to the faithful as Christianity took over the mass mind...and now technologically advanced craft flown by otherworldly beings. At about the same time man has been flying the skies, and probing space. The phenomenon must have "will and energy" the will is from the noospere or the group consciousness and the energy from telluric currents. Electronic brain wipe missing time? missing time getting filled in with "Images generated by the brain" Nature hates a vacuum. Still a will of the whisp ? the lack of tangibility points to something of this sort.



Oooh! Telluric currents! I hadn't thought about that!


Some of the proposed mechanisms of action for paranormal stuff seem to imply that it relies on temperature/voltage/*genericenergy* differentials in order to manifest. John Keel got this occasion and pointed out the outbreaks of fires in relation to UFO waves... There might just be a practical mechanism here for summoning UFOs if this turns out to be the case. I need to look into using flame to generate an electrostatic charge or something - if the right setup could be deduced there would be potential for !fun! in the Dwarf Fortress sense.


Well if you go out on a ghost hunt, there is the will and expectation, same thing with UFO watching, and preying in a church. Here we have the intent, as far as the energy goes, it seems that there are many theories for that. New Moon full moon etc. Certain days of the year sunspot activity etc. many reports of ghost and UFO and alien sightings have them, half formed from the waist up as if the energy isn't there to make a specific creation, but enough to wet the appetite.
Sometimes you have reports of things actually materialising, like fish or frogs, and even mustard seeds blowing in from nowhere. Which when planted grow. These cases seem to have natural things appearing from about three feet up, so the fall to ground level dosn't kill the whatever. The ley line thinking gets some credence when you look at the strange happenings on a line from about where, the Channel islands in the UK are to Southampton, the sightings and apparitions get to numerous to mention. This is literally everything from UFO's to the Mustard seed episode ghosts, Roman soldiers etc That would be a line from Carnac to Stonehenge. About magnetic north in those latitudes. This one is the hottest I've heard of. The reports of strangeness in that area should be "Pan Strangeness" Why should it manifest at one time with a UFO time slips ,Mustard seeds falling into a guys doorway from no where? twice, as it happened, a few doors down the year before. Which suggests timing repetition? predictability? Something that could once be manipulated consciously but now primed subconsciously like dream sequences?


I'd encourage you to continue following this line of thought. You're right in line with John Keel's speculation about window areas. The trick then, is to find where the active ones are... I'd actually try to check one out in person, but the closest ones I know of are on the mainland.


Has anyone ever tried to map out these locations? I know Vallee did some work on Michel's 'orthogeny' or whatever the word is in the 1950-60's...

edit: the wormhole paper I linked mentions that Bigelow has developed mobile sensor platforms to detect wormhole/UFO manifestations. I think the man might be ahead of us in this field - a modern Project Identification would be so very easy for him to do...
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posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 04:12 PM
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1ofthe9

anonentity

1ofthe9

anonentity

1ofthe9

anonentity

rigel4
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l there has to be is the perception that UFO's exist. There isn't real evidence, of a piece of saucer anywhere. There have been multiple witness sightings and photographs, but where's the hard evidence?. The illusion could well be maintained by a hologram. I'm sure that the projection of false targets, would be high on the tech dooable list. Air with a certain amount of moisture content could well be used as the projection screen.


Could be. The problem with the holography bit is that we have good cases that happened prior to 1962 (the development of the hologram) - and it would take years to get the tech to a level of maturity where that could be pulled off on a regular basis. Maybe the some cases in the 70's to 90's could be explained as such - but that still leaves radar-visual/trace cases.


The development and use of the narrative of little green men by the American government, imho, is just as interesting as the UFO phenomena itself. Why is it so important that we chase after little green men in saucers and ignore the bizarre intersection of military EM-brain interaction research and mysterious lights in the sky - classic magical misdirection (props to Aquino who tuned me into this stuff)? Are atmospheric plasmas that can mess with our heads really that deserving of over half a century of misdirection and deception? Why are all these wacky characters involved with military research into the occult wandering around this scene?

Ufology has spent the last thirty years chasing non-existent nuts and bolts craft and has gone nowhere. It would seem that people are finally listening to what Vallee and Keel told us back in the 1960's and 1970's. We might not have the phenomena interacting with us in the same way and to such an extent as it once did, but by examining what we have through this lense...we might just get somewhere.


If there is such a thing as a "noosphere" or group consciousness, ie something that connects all life to some sort of mind. Which is the only thing that I can think, can be shown to have some merit, ie plants have nervous systems and feelings etc. (secret lives of plants) Then with regards to the "Global Consciousness project. Then this medium might be something that focuses the (aspirations and fears of humanity as a whole)into something that can be seen and heard. The psychokinetic manipulations of electrons, something with hardly any mass, but able to short out brain circuitry and any other electrical circuit. The sightings do seem to occur in places where piezoelectric currents abound in fault zones. Ancient monuments that may or may not have been sighted where ghost lights occur. Many years ago it would have been chariots pulled by flying horses then later Madonna or jesus appearing to the faithful as Christianity took over the mass mind...and now technologically advanced craft flown by otherworldly beings. At about the same time man has been flying the skies, and probing space. The phenomenon must have "will and energy" the will is from the noospere or the group consciousness and the energy from telluric currents. Electronic brain wipe missing time? missing time getting filled in with "Images generated by the brain" Nature hates a vacuum. Still a will of the whisp ? the lack of tangibility points to something of this sort.



Oooh! Telluric currents! I hadn't thought about that!


Some of the proposed mechanisms of action for paranormal stuff seem to imply that it relies on temperature/voltage/*genericenergy* differentials in order to manifest. John Keel got this occasion and pointed out the outbreaks of fires in relation to UFO waves... There might just be a practical mechanism here for summoning UFOs if this turns out to be the case. I need to look into using flame to generate an electrostatic charge or something - if the right setup could be deduced there would be potential for !fun! in the Dwarf Fortress sense.


Well if you go out on a ghost hunt, there is the will and expectation, same thing with UFO watching, and preying in a church. Here we have the intent, as far as the energy goes, it seems that there are many theories for that. New Moon full moon etc. Certain days of the year sunspot activity etc. many reports of ghost and UFO and alien sightings have them, half formed from the waist up as if the energy isn't there to make a specific creation, but enough to wet the appetite.
Sometimes you have reports of things actually materialising, like fish or frogs, and even mustard seeds blowing in from nowhere. Which when planted grow. These cases seem to have natural things appearing from about three feet up, so the fall to ground level dosn't kill the whatever. The ley line thinking gets some credence when you look at the strange happenings on a line from about where, the Channel islands in the UK are to Southampton, the sightings and apparitions get to numerous to mention. This is literally everything from UFO's to the Mustard seed episode ghosts, Roman soldiers etc That would be a line from Carnac to Stonehenge. About magnetic north in those latitudes. This one is the hottest I've heard of. The reports of strangeness in that area should be "Pan Strangeness" Why should it manifest at one time with a UFO time slips ,Mustard seeds falling into a guys doorway from no where? twice, as it happened, a few doors down the year before. Which suggests timing repetition? predictability? Something that could once be manipulated consciously but now primed subconsciously like dream sequences?


I'd encourage you to continue following this line of thought. You're right in line with John Keel's speculation about window areas. The trick then, is to find where the active ones are... I'd actually try to check one out in person, but the closest ones I know of are on the mainland.


Has anyone ever tried to map out these locations? I know Vallee did some work on Michel's 'orthogeny' or whatever the word is in the 1950-60's...

edit: the wormhole paper I linked mentions that Bigelow has developed mobile sensor platforms to detect wormhole/UFO manifestations. I think the man might be ahead of us in this field - a modern Project Identification would be so very easy for him to do...
edit on 12013f3001America/Chicago9 by 1ofthe9 because: (no reason given)


I did a bit of research a while ago, I knew that there was definitely something there, most things come down to timing, and I don't think this is any different. If it is something to do with the natural Telluric currents, then it all comes down to astral alignments which seem to speed or hinder the effect. I downloaded a program called "Starcalc" where you could set the focus of where you were on the globe and use that as your local horizon, where I could get the exact time of any strangeness, there appeared to be correlations. The problem being the exact time of a reported happening. It would verify astrological alignment of ancient sites, and the main timing of celebrations perhaps.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 05:01 PM
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1ofthe9

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rigel4
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l there has to be is the perception that UFO's exist. There isn't real evidence, of a piece of saucer anywhere. There have been multiple witness sightings and photographs, but where's the hard evidence?. The illusion could well be maintained by a hologram. I'm sure that the projection of false targets, would be high on the tech dooable list. Air with a certain amount of moisture content could well be used as the projection screen.


Could be. The problem with the holography bit is that we have good cases that happened prior to 1962 (the development of the hologram) - and it would take years to get the tech to a level of maturity where that could be pulled off on a regular basis. Maybe the some cases in the 70's to 90's could be explained as such - but that still leaves radar-visual/trace cases.


The development and use of the narrative of little green men by the American government, imho, is just as interesting as the UFO phenomena itself. Why is it so important that we chase after little green men in saucers and ignore the bizarre intersection of military EM-brain interaction research and mysterious lights in the sky - classic magical misdirection (props to Aquino who tuned me into this stuff)? Are atmospheric plasmas that can mess with our heads really that deserving of over half a century of misdirection and deception? Why are all these wacky characters involved with military research into the occult wandering around this scene?

Ufology has spent the last thirty years chasing non-existent nuts and bolts craft and has gone nowhere. It would seem that people are finally listening to what Vallee and Keel told us back in the 1960's and 1970's. We might not have the phenomena interacting with us in the same way and to such an extent as it once did, but by examining what we have through this lense...we might just get somewhere.


If there is such a thing as a "noosphere" or group consciousness, ie something that connects all life to some sort of mind. Which is the only thing that I can think, can be shown to have some merit, ie plants have nervous systems and feelings etc. (secret lives of plants) Then with regards to the "Global Consciousness project. Then this medium might be something that focuses the (aspirations and fears of humanity as a whole)into something that can be seen and heard. The psychokinetic manipulations of electrons, something with hardly any mass, but able to short out brain circuitry and any other electrical circuit. The sightings do seem to occur in places where piezoelectric currents abound in fault zones. Ancient monuments that may or may not have been sighted where ghost lights occur. Many years ago it would have been chariots pulled by flying horses then later Madonna or jesus appearing to the faithful as Christianity took over the mass mind...and now technologically advanced craft flown by otherworldly beings. At about the same time man has been flying the skies, and probing space. The phenomenon must have "will and energy" the will is from the noospere or the group consciousness and the energy from telluric currents. Electronic brain wipe missing time? missing time getting filled in with "Images generated by the brain" Nature hates a vacuum. Still a will of the whisp ? the lack of tangibility points to something of this sort.



Oooh! Telluric currents! I hadn't thought about that!


Some of the proposed mechanisms of action for paranormal stuff seem to imply that it relies on temperature/voltage/*genericenergy* differentials in order to manifest. John Keel got this occasion and pointed out the outbreaks of fires in relation to UFO waves... There might just be a practical mechanism here for summoning UFOs if this turns out to be the case. I need to look into using flame to generate an electrostatic charge or something - if the right setup could be deduced there would be potential for !fun! in the Dwarf Fortress sense.


Well if you go out on a ghost hunt, there is the will and expectation, same thing with UFO watching, and preying in a church. Here we have the intent, as far as the energy goes, it seems that there are many theories for that. New Moon full moon etc. Certain days of the year sunspot activity etc. many reports of ghost and UFO and alien sightings have them, half formed from the waist up as if the energy isn't there to make a specific creation, but enough to wet the appetite.
Sometimes you have reports of things actually materialising, like fish or frogs, and even mustard seeds blowing in from nowhere. Which when planted grow. These cases seem to have natural things appearing from about three feet up, so the fall to ground level dosn't kill the whatever. The ley line thinking gets some credence when you look at the strange happenings on a line from about where, the Channel islands in the UK are to Southampton, the sightings and apparitions get to numerous to mention. This is literally everything from UFO's to the Mustard seed episode ghosts, Roman soldiers etc That would be a line from Carnac to Stonehenge. About magnetic north in those latitudes. This one is the hottest I've heard of. The reports of strangeness in that area should be "Pan Strangeness" Why should it manifest at one time with a UFO time slips ,Mustard seeds falling into a guys doorway from no where? twice, as it happened, a few doors down the year before. Which suggests timing repetition? predictability? Something that could once be manipulated consciously but now primed subconsciously like dream sequences?


I'd encourage you to continue following this line of thought. You're right in line with John Keel's speculation about window areas. The trick then, is to find where the active ones are... I'd actually try to check one out in person, but the closest ones I know of are on the mainland.


Has anyone ever tried to map out these locations? I know Vallee did some work on Michel's 'orthogeny' or whatever the word is in the 1950-60's...

edit: the wormhole paper I linked mentions that Bigelow has developed mobile sensor platforms to detect wormhole/UFO manifestations. I think the man might be ahead of us in this field - a modern Project Identification would be so very easy for him to do...
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I did a bit of research a while ago, I knew that there was definitely something there, most things come down to timing, and I don't think this is any different. If it is something to do with the natural Telluric currents, then it all comes down to astral alignments which seem to speed or hinder the effect. I downloaded a program called "Starcalc" where you could set the focus of where you were on the globe and use that as your local horizon, where I could get the exact time of any strangeness, there appeared to be correlations. The problem being the exact time of a reported happening. It would verify astrological alignment of ancient sites, and the main timing of celebrations perhaps.


I got a hunch. You might want to look into solar activity... Interaction with the magnetosphere...



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 05:18 PM
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High energy cosmic rays might be worth looking into as - maybe naturally occurring antimatter in the van Allen belts could be invoked too. I'll see if I can find Eric Davis's paper on nuclear-pumped wormhole generation.

I think it might be pointing to naturally occurring wormholes, or less esoterically/more boring, our mysterious plasmas...



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 05:48 PM
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When the Paulo Alto psi lab closed down. They went through all there "Hits".. The interesting thing was .they all occurred with respect to sidereal time. which basically meant as far as the local horizon of Paulo alto was concerned, occurred when the hum of the big bang was directly overhead. Which occurs an hour later everyday, in the vicinity of Cygnus astrologically speaking. So it would be no good having a particular cult day at Stonehenge on a particular day of the year, if a Priest wanted a something or whatever to happen. If the harnessing of a telluric effect was to happen the calculations would have to be more sophisticated. To my knowledge two for the want of a better word, "Witches hats" have been found crafted in gold, with the Metonic cycle of the moon embossed on them. For this to have been done we would infer that the moon plays a very important part in the effect. Which seems to be the case anecdotally as the degree of strange effects seem to happen a few days before new and full moon. As the moons effect on the surface of the earth gravitationally speaking is well known it seems logical, to bring this in. In the case of Stonehenge the lens effect of the moon and the monuments placing seems to be highly significant. If you consider the aspect of the moons gravity and that of the sun stressing the earth for a piezoelectric effect at certain times. A cult that could engage a population to erect monuments taking massive amounts of time and energy away from agricultural husbandry must have had some pretty good theatrics. Granted it might just have been by telling the population the Head honcho was going to switch the sun of for a few minutes. That might have been scary enough to get compliance. But the seemingly random effects occurring to this day along these particular Lay lines seem to suggest something more. We seem to be dealing with electronic phenomena of some kind. It might be old hat bringing up telluric currents but they seem a good candidate for the effects. Especially with the amount of knowledge gained over the past few decades.
By the way what Island are you on? ??
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posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 07:37 PM
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Whoops I missed the edit time. I came across this regarding the conical hats, they seem to have been far more frequent in one shape or another than I originally thought. Which tends to suggest quite a wide spread cult. en.wikipedia.org... these type of hats were spread far and wide. We can only surmise as to there use and application, dating is almost impossible. Were talking of a highly sophisticated astronomical knowledge, which went far beyond a couple of sticks in the ground to calculate the Solstices, which a farmer could use for the planting of crops.
In a Telegraph article it was stated that three had been found in Ireland, but had disappeared. The ones in mainland Europe had been buried, with some ceremony. So what was the reason for the precision of having to have a solar lunar calendar of this sophistication....all we are left with is the folk lore of this type of hat for occult purposes' strong folk memory of Wizards, with folk memories for Halloween with witches hats etc...an upturned horse shoe on a door for good luck..(Shades of Stonehenge) Obviously something taken from the existing population, most likely with Roman invasion. Even today Lord of the rings and all its attendant lore still resound with the likes of the Harry potter saga. Why does this still reverberate so strongly to day? So did the Priests just bury there hat computers that enabled them them to calculate the best times for a good show, and go about there business, and let there real understanding of magic take a random flow? the interesting thing is the that the magic still happens, where it always did.
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posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 08:00 PM
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Consider this.
Ants believe we exist, but what proof have they taken home other than a few stray pheromones easily explained away by ant "msm and and PTB"?
Funny yes, but then again..uhm not so much.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 08:18 PM
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caseman1967
Consider this.
Ants believe we exist, but what proof have they taken home other than a few stray pheromones easily explained away by ant "msm and and PTB"?
Funny yes, but then again..uhm not so much.


How true!



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 09:11 PM
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Well i have seen ufos and I am a believer but would like to point to the other possibility. The one percent. Think about it. Throughout the history of man we have been controlled. Someone banged someone on the head and became the leader, been sheep ever since. As history progresses a few key families become puppet masters and they have pulled our strings ever since.

There are many threads on these i am quite sure. We know they control governments, countries rise and fall on their say. Fact is they have not needed ET to accomplish any of this. Trace the sugar. You don't hear it much but we have been hooked on it all our lives. Why is high fructose corn syrup in half of what you eat and drink. Ah, one of the ways they have controlled us and kept us sick.

Think about it...

The Bot



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 09:52 PM
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All man needs is the IDEA of ET, and his capabilities.
The rest can be figured out by a clever man.

But let's look at it this way...
100 people report seeing a giant flying triangle that performs in ways we don't seem able to replicate.
So we figure a way to replicate it, cuz we're clever. But what did those 100 people see??!
THAT is the 1,000,000 dollar question.

Cuz believe it or not, original thought is very rare. I keep a dream journal in the hopes I will achieve original thought in my sleep. As yet I don't think it has happened. Haha

In the end, folks see something legit. Form that legit phenomenon, or observe it, even though they don't understand it, then they employ their best and brightest minds to figure it out.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 10:06 PM
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All man needs is the IDEA of ET, and his capabilities.
The rest can be figured out by a clever man.

But let's look at it this way...
100 people report seeing a giant flying triangle that performs in ways we don't seem able to replicate.
So we figure a way to replicate it, cuz we're clever. But what did those 100 people see??!
THAT is the 1,000,000 dollar question.

Cuz believe it or not, original thought is very rare. I keep a dream journal in the hopes I will achieve original thought in my sleep. As yet I don't think it has happened. Haha

In the end, folks see something legit. Form that legit phenomenon, or observe it, even though they don't understand it, then they employ their best and brightest minds to figure it out.


Ahh !does art imitate science or science imitate art . Either way art seems important.



posted on Nov, 15 2013 @ 10:13 PM
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And this is the inherent "flaw" in science.
They ridicule "original" thought. If something isn't neatly packaged with a bow in their paradigm, it is laughed off the stage.

Science is a philosophical construct no different than a flawed political system.
There is always another way.

Ask a scientist to explain shamanic methods in a way that correlates with the seeming phenomenal way shamans are able to pull information out of thin air.

Their answer will mostly be a bunch of finger pointing and laughing.
Its cuz it "does not compute", and they ridicule.

But as I have grown fond of telling them, "its all good. The gov has been working on this crap diligently for like 60 years. Ultimately we don't need you."



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