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You say that Caesar was a king, and the source you cite says that he was descended from them? And you think that makes him a king?
Next, you say that he claimed to be a god, and the source you cite says that he was descended from a god? And you think that makes him a god?
Early in his reign, Halley’s Comet passed over Rome. Augustus claimed it was the spirit of Julius Caesar entering heaven. If Caesar was a god then, as his heir, Augustus was the son of a god and he made sure that everybody knew it
Caesar's Comet was one of only five comets known to have had a negative absolute magnitude and was possibly the brightest daylight comet in recorded history. It was not periodic and may have disintegrated.
en.wikipedia.org...'s_Comet
They killed him because he looked like he might be establishing monarchical rule.
He was neither king nor god -- that's what historians, who have actually studied Julius Caesar, have to say. But you go ahead and side with the crackpots, just because you hate Christianity.
windword
reply to post by DelayedChristmas
Personally, I think Jesus was the predicted and prophesied return of the "Good Teacher" that the Essenes were waiting for. I think that Jesus was raised as a Nazorean Essenes by the Nazorean Essenes. The people called him Rabbi, because he was ordained by the Essenes. They called him teacher and asked him how to interpret the Law, which is what the Essenes were looking for.
The Essenes thought the city Temples were corrupted and evil priests had corrupted the Torah. Jesus had the same thoughts. The Essenes didn't believe in animal sacrifice, and there is no record of Jesus performing an animal sacrifice. The Essenes only used oil for healing and cooking purposes and didn't anoint each other with oil, which explains why there is no biblical record of Jesus having been anointed.
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My 2 cents........
edit on 13-11-2013 by windword because: (no reason given)
Potato, potahto. King, emperor, whatever, he was anointed and was a divine ruler.
Jesus, on the other hand was neither anointed or a ruler and as a Jew, wouldn't have accepted a pagan title.
The anointing of Jesus is one of the relatively few events reported by each of the four Canonical gospels, although the details of the accounts differ. All report the anointing of Jesus with expensive perfume by a woman, who pours the contents of an alabastron jar of "nard" (or spikenard), a very expensive perfume, over Jesus. (Source)
DelayedChristmas
reply to post by windword
Either the bible writers plagiarized and took bits and pieces of cultures to formulate this grand conspiracy as a tool of social control ((which wouldn't make sense because Rome was the first nation to use Christianity as a mean of social control under Constantine due to the influential powers the scriptures could have that would be advantageous by being a nation of subordinates (Constantine was smart and cunning to not follow in the overt footsteps of his predecessors and taking the more insidious route, for example, supplanting the practice of infusing a state of divinity (god hood) of the rulers with a Christian theology. I mean, I wonder why Rome would make Christianity the national and the only tolerated religion with the Edict of Thessalonica in 380 and why Constantine would order the Council of Nicea to quell the Arians (a disagreement of the formulated man made doctrine of the trinity is/would be bad for the state because it would undermine the religious imposition of the political discourse Constantine envisioned because the religion/social control he was trying to push was being questioned within the Christian community he sought to make everyone a part of as to make ruling a lot easier ))
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God took pieces of all cultures and their understanding and localized it in within a geographical location where it would be advantageous (Roman occupation of the land; We can still see the influences of Rome today) for the releasing of the refined truth that is Jesus Christ.
This is just my understanding of it.
The anointing of Jesus is one of the relatively few events reported by each of the four Canonical gospels, although the details of the accounts differ. All report the anointing of Jesus with expensive perfume by a woman, who pours the contents of an alabastron jar of "nard" (or spikenard), a very expensive perfume, over Jesus. (Source)
Although he did not rule for long, he gave Rome fresh hope and a whole dynasty of emperors.
But his rule would be cut short. Old enemies joined forces with some of his supporters, fed up of his dictatorial style. On March15, 44 BC, the Ides of March, Caesar was assassinated in the Senate.
Although his own rule was unremarkable, his victory in the civil war replaced a republic, ruled by the consuls and the Senate, with an empire, reigned over by emperors and their hereditary successors. It was the start of a brand new age for Rome.
www.pbs.org...
In reality, the term "Chrestos" or χρηστὸς has been used in association with a plethora of people and gods, beginning centuries before the common era. Chrestos and its plural chrestoi were utilized to describe deities, oracles, philosophers, priests, oligarchs, "valuable citizens," slaves, heroes, the deceased and others. Importantly, chrestos appears to have been the title of "perfected saints" in various mystery schools or brotherhoods, associated with oracular activity in particular.
The fact that Plato (424/423-348/347 BCE) frequently mentions "the good" (χρηστὸς) when discussing various figures (e.g., Plat. Rep. 5.479a) serves as an indication of the word's importance among philosophers and religionists. This association is especially germane considering the exalted place afforded Plato among spiritual seekers for centuries into the common era, including many Christians and assorted "Neoplatonists." Indeed, Plato (Theaetetus 166.a.2) uses the word to describe famed philosopher Socrates: ὁ Σωκράτης ὁ χρηστός - "Socrates the Good."
The term χρηστός chrestos was utilized not only in secular situations but also within ancient religion, philosophy, spirituality and the all-important mysteries, which concerned life and death, including near-death experiences and afterlife traditions. "Chrestos" was one of the titles for the dead in tomb writings.
As another example of the Pagan use of the word chrestos, in 2008 an evidently pre-Christian cup or bowl was found at Alexandria, Egypt, with the genitive form chrestou inscribed on it. This artifact could predate the common era by decades, part of the genre of magical bowls used for protection and incantation.
sites.google.com... istus
Again, you have managed to draw one or two actual similarities
Yahoshua was not an Essene.Just because the disciples called him "rabbi does not mean he was a Jewish Rabbi,.The Pharisees railed on him for not being studied.He broke many Jewish traditions and Laws(The sabbath).There is nothing that suggest he was an Essene that is pure fabrication with zero substantiation of any kind.
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He definitely was not a Jewish Rabbi or an Essene.Nor the founder of a religion called Christianity.Nothing that was recorded of what he did even faintly suggests that.
Rex282
Yahoshua was not an Essene.Just because the disciples called him "rabbi does not mean he was a Jewish Rabbi,.The Pharisees railed on him for not being studied.He broke many Jewish traditions and Laws(The sabbath).There is nothing that suggest he was an Essene that is pure fabrication with zero substantiation of any kind.
I think this might be an issue of identifying the fact that Yeshua did not bring in a new religion.
The council of Nicaea made sure to get rid of it's Jewish roots by changing the feasts and the RCC made sure to get rid of Sabbath keeping.
5 All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the Lord, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow.
19 And the priest shall take the sodden shoulder of the ram, and one unleavened cake out of the basket, and one unleavened wafer, and shall put them upon the hands of the Nazarite, after the hair of his separation is shaven:
windword
reply to post by Rex282
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Fair enough, although I disagree that there is nothing to suggest that Jesus was an Essene. I think, and plenty of other people too, believe that the New Testament points to Jesus having been an Essene. www.thenazareneway.com...
You say that Jesus wasn't the founder the Christianity. Do you reject the stories of the New Testament?
UnifiedSerenity
Do you think it is religious to keep the feasts of the Lord?
UnifiedSerenity
Where did he learn of these feasts?
UnifiedSerenity
Why did he even open a Torah Scroll in temple? I mean if he just got it all first hand from the Father, then why did he teach to keep the commandments?
UnifiedSerenity
I am really trying to understand if you are negating the bible OT and just saying Yeshua was not following the religion of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel).
UnifiedSerenity
He is alive in all the Feasts of the Lord, and as Hanukkah approaches, I am very much looking forward to the time of re-dedication and thanksgiving exemplified when Yeshua who symbolizes the shamash (servant candle) that gives the light to all the others of the Menorah.
Yes.The feast days are Jewish religion.The feast days were symbolic of things to come(Yahoshua).They of themselves don't do anything.Do you still sacrifice animals on an alter.If you don't you aren't keeping the feast days .
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Apostles kept YEHOVAH's feasts
The book of Acts clearly reveals that the Messiah's apostles continued keeping the feasts of YEHOVAH after the New Testament Church of YEHOVAH God began in A.D. 31. Notice, for example, the celebration of Pentecost in Acts 2 and the keeping of the Days of Unleavened Bread in chapter 12, verses 3 and 4.
But did Paul, the apostle to the gentiles, also keep YEHOVAH's feasts?
It was Paul who was observing the Feast of Pentecost, an annual Sabbath, mentioned in Acts 16:13 and 20:16. Paul and his company also observed the Days of Unleavened Bread (Acts 20:6), and he kept the Day of Atonement ("the fast") mentioned in Acts 27:9.
But did Paul ever keep the Feast of Tabernacles? He certainly did.
Paul, in about A.D. 50, traveled from Asia into Europe and began preaching the Gospel at Philippi "on the day of weeks" -- Pentecost, according to the Greek text (Acts 16:13). After spending a few weeks at Philippi (verse 12), Thessalonica (Acts 17:1), Berea (verse 10) and Athens (verse 15), Paul came to Corinth in the late summer of A.D. 50 (Acts 18:1). He spent several Sabbaths teaching in the synagogue (verse 4), and continued holding meetings in the house of Justus (verse 7) for "a year and six months" (verse 11). This brings us to sometime during the spring of A.D. 52. After a riot in Corinth had been quelled, Paul "tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria" (verse 18). By now it was well into the summer of A.D. 52, which means that the feasts of Unleavened Bread and Pentecost were both past. The major autumn Feast of Tabernacles was fast approaching.
"And he [Paul] came to Ephesus...When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast [of Tabernacles] that cometh in Jerusalem" (verses 19-21). Notice that he felt impelled to "keep" the Feast of Booths in Jerusalem.
Since Paul kept YEHOVAH's commanded festivals, including the Feast of Tabernacles, why do some claim that he taught it wasn't necessary for gentile Christians to keep YEHOVAH's Holy Days? Never once did he say this.
"Ye observe days"
Some misunderstand and pervert the meaning of Paul's statement in Galatians 4:10, "Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years." Is Paul here labeling the observance of YEHOVAH God's Holy Days unnecessary?
Remember, Paul is talking to gentile Galatians who had never observed YEHOVAH's commanded Holy Days. They had, however, observed (as did all pagan nations) certain days, months, times and years. This is what Paul was scolding the Galatians about. "I am afraid of you, lest, I have bestowed upon you labour in vain," said Paul (verse 11). "How turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?" (verse 9). Paul was decrying the Galatians' tendency to hold to their former pagan observances.
Many also misunderstand the meaning of Paul's statement in Colossians 2:16, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of [margin, in part of ] an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days." Was Paul abrogating YEHOVAH's command to keep His feasts?
Notice. Paul was telling the Christians at Colossae not to let anyone take them to task regarding how they observed YEHOVAH's Holy Days or the Sabbath. He did not say, "Let no man therefore keep an holyday, or the new moon, or the sabbath day."
A better translation of this verse would read as follows: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in part of [not "in respect of"] an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days; Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is [not in Greek text] of Christ [should judge] you in these matters."
In other words, it was the Church ("the body of Christ") that was to judge the Christians at Colossae, not outsiders, in the way they observed YEHOVAH God's commanded Holy Days and the weekly Sabbath. The Colossians were right in keeping YEHOVAH's Holy Days, no matter what any non-Christians said. Nothing whatsoever is said about not keeping the days.