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reply to post by JadeStar
That post has little relevance to the subject of this post. You claimed to be able to debunk the NASA cover-up theory in your subject, yet you offer only a single instance of a vaguely comparable situation. You're going to need considerably more evidence and much more sound logic if you're going to convince anyone that anything is 'debunked'.
Cooper's narrative -- the prematurely developed film with visible license
plates, the forbidden peek at a super-secret installation, the cover-up from
the highest levels of the government -- is by far the more exciting version of this incident. His sincerity and self-confidence remains unquestioned.
Two rolls of 55 shots each, and 28 more from a third roll, had been
catalogued in the NASA photo system on September 23, 1965, just a month
after the flight, according to archivist David Sharron
Nor did Cooper ever claim
"he flew directly over Area 51" -- the camera really "had a range of view of
about 1500 miles".
Alright, I've had it....
Please read my response in this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Oh, "you've had it", huh?
Sorry you used faulty logic.
It's not faulty logic.
I provided a real world incident which took place which refutes the "NASA Cover up theory,"
And unless I am mistaken it has more documentation going for it than ANY NASA Cover up theory you can put forward.
You make the allegation that NASA is covering something up, its up to you to support it with evidence such as what I pointed out.
So far I've seen none in this thread or others like it.
Tinfoil hat time I see.... Trust me, I may be just a student but I have participated in NASA sponsored workshops in the past and those people would be thrilled to find life and EVERYONE in astrobiology wants more missions, more robust science, more targeted searches for extant and CURRENT life however there are political forces, parties and people opposed to science who see any mission to Mars or anywhere else as a "big government program that is a waste of time and my tax dollars".
How many times have YOU scoffed at stories about "scientists looking for life in frozen lake in Antarctica" or "scientists receive grant to study the sex habits and migration of ants"? Don't lie. You probably did it because you didn't understand the science or where such research fit into the larger search for life in the universe or equally big quests in the sciences.
Sadly that's just how it is, and you see plenty of sentiment of that sort right here on ATS.
The fact is, if you want high resolution, high sensitivity basic raw science then it is going to cost money. I saw someone complaining the other day that $600 million that NASA's Kepler Mission (you know the little space telescope which is finding all the earthlike planets?) cost was a waste of money!
Yet we build plenty of $2 billion dollar B2 Spirit bombers (made for the Cold War), billion dollar ships the US Navy doesn't even want (to keep the dollars flowing into certain congressional districts), etc.
NASA due to its high visibility is usually one of the first things cut. And it doesn't matter what party is in the Congress or White House. That's been consistent since Kennedy.
Americans however are fine with over-funding big ticket military and intelligence items.
TRUE STORY: The NRO just gave NASA two space telescope optics that are BETTER than Hubble which your average Joe Sixpack had no idea existed. Just like, "Here take these, we don't need them, they're obsolete and we'd just send them off to the scrap yard so if you want 'em take 'em."
"NASA Mulls Missions for Donated Spy Satellite Telescopes" - www.space.com...
And most everyone in astronomy is drooling over the possibilities for these mirrors.
Drooling over the leftover scraps of dinner off of the plate of the National Reconnoissance Office!
It's like you drooling over an old school monochrome CRT given to you to surf the internet while the person who gave you it is using their flat screen 31" LED!
ANOTHER TRUE STORY: I was at an exoplanet conference last year and I asked one researcher who shall remain nameless, what it kind of optics we'd need to begin to get detailed, rich, spectra back from Super Earths and he told me but then added, "we'd be reinventing the wheel, the optics to do what you want exist but they are looking down at the Earth."
I just shook my head and said, "well they're looking the wrong way."
In other words we have the technology to detect alien life and perhaps even alien civilizations on other planets out there but a good portion of it is looking down at US!
So perhaps stop badgering NASA, a civilian agency and start asking why so much of your tax money is going into a black hole called the black budget?
If I sound a bit angry it is because I am.
I am in college majoring in a field that many people are hugely interested in as evidenced by the plethora and popularity of "UFO" and "Ancient Aliens" type TV shows and forums like this one, but when it comes to the REAL scientific search for ET they have little intereste in funding it. Or worse, accuse the very people who are looking it of covering it up!
It's much easier (and cheaper) to sit back, munching on cheetos and say, "see, they know all about aliens, they're covering them up." while at the same time doing NOTHING to support REAL science in the field.
Look, I love a conspiracy as much as anyone. And I especially love debunking false conspiracies but on this, so many people on this site look at NASA and think of it as this huge government agency.
NASA is not that big at all compared to other government agencies. Neither in manpower or budget. NSA, NRO, CIA, DIA, NGIS all have bigger budgets. Yet NASA is the target of so much B.S. on here and other conspiracy sites! Everything from "Moon Hoax" theories to "They have aliens on ice and airbrush aliens out of photos in the JSC". All of it B.S.
Just from a logic point of view it falls down. Covering up Aliens for a Space Agency who has an ever-shrinking budget MAKES NO SENSE. Not to mention the thousands of independent research teams around the world who gather and use NASA data. I guess they'd rather be a part of a vast conspiracy than collect their millions of dollars and Nobel Prize!??!?!
They aren't covering anything up. Most people in NASA would love to find life, even extant life out there. It would help increase their budget and fund more interesting research!
As Sinead O'Connor once said: "Fight the REAL enemy!"
edit on 12-11-2013 by JadeStar because: (no reason given)edit on 12-11-2013 by JadeStar because: Fight the REAL enemy!
reply to post by JadeStar
I'll still never forget that picture of either saturn or jupiter with something behind it that has been obviously scrubbed out, back during the Elenin days.
reply to post by JimOberg
Haha, yeh I reckon it was Jupiter. I don't recall rings. But if the picture was of the upper half of Saturn it could easily omit the rings....but i'm sure it was Jupiter.edit on 18-1-2014 by LightAssassin because: (no reason given)