Anti-abortion extremists urge kidnapping of women on way to clinic

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posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:01 PM
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FEARS are held for the safety of women in Texas after an anti-abortion group infiltrated a pro-choice volunteering service, with the aim of kidnapping women to change their minds on abortion.

A post circulating on Facebook released the email of a volunteer group within The Cicada Collective, an "autonomous community-centred group of reproductive justice organisers located in North Texas".

According to the post, the Collective was looking for volunteers to "shuttle TX women around for their abortion appointments" and called for anti-choice campaigners to apply, undercover, in a bid to lure the women away.

It then urges the undercover guises to instead ferry the women to a Church to delay the abortion and ultimately, change her mind.

"I'm not suggesting you actually take a (sic) woman to an abortion clinic," it reads.

"It's a wonderful opportunity to minister to an abortion minded woman for an hour while you DON'T take her to the clinic."


Seriously the group infiltrated and planned to kidnap women. That sounds like the beginning of a horror movie. It takes a pretty Fed up mind to think kidnaping is OK then imagine the person quoting scripture to you on the way what if they decide to go even more biblical on you.

Children of the corn biblical.

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Anyway I put this here because it was a conspiracy to kidnap.




posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:10 PM
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It's absolutely ridiculous that the US still has "abortion clinics".
It's a medical procedure, it should be done in a hospital, and it should be a private issue.

Then there would be no issue of kidnappings.
Crazy.



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:12 PM
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Yes this is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard.I hate abortion too,because birth control Is available,and self-control Is available till you managed to avail yourself of birth control-there should not even be a need for the horrible act of abortion anymore,with some exceptions like health issues to the mother that may make it life-threatening to carry to term.But you cannot change a person's mind by kidnapping them to try+change their minds! How did they think they would get away with this,I wonder.



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:13 PM
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So are they going to hold her until the third trimester, or until she gives birth?

They'd better be willing to run out for her in the middle of the night for pickles and ice cream.
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posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:14 PM
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Stared and Flagged
While I'm not an avid supporter of abortion, I do see reasons why people do approve and disapprove of it.
These religious fanatics should be tried as terrorists as far as I'm concerned, by all means they can choose to hold an opinion on it to themselves, but to abduct and someone or shout at them, its way to far. If a xyz group abducted women out of cars and held for the days because their religion believed that women shouldn't drive their would be anarchy.

I know the levels of how far these nutters go personally, have walking past an abortion clinic in Australia to find and going over to escort a young women who was getting verbally abused and shown pictures of foetuses by these 'pro-life' fanatics between her car and the clinic doors. What was funny was they continued to follow me down the street shouting how I was the spawn of the devil and responsible for the suffering of children everywhere, and they dead-set believed it.

If someone tried to abduct my wife, children or myself they would have a bullet through their head, irrespective of who or what they believed. Simple as that.



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:14 PM
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snowspirit
It's absolutely ridiculous that the US still has "abortion clinics".
It's a medical procedure, it should be done in a hospital, and it should be a private issue.

Then there would be no issue of kidnappings.
Crazy.


Agreed but it would take away from the political fodder that is utilized by both "sides" in their battle for our minds and votes...



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:16 PM
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That was sort of what I was afraid could happen. Someone deciding to go above and beyond or a point of no return scenario.

Freakin nightmare waiting to happen.
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posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:18 PM
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If the religious groups really wanted to decrease the number of abortions, they should:

1. Start distributing contraceptives.
2. Stop fighting every attempt to mandate birth control coverage by insurers.
3. Stop pushing abstinence only sex education.

Unfortunately, to some (the zealots), kidnapping women seems like a much better solution.
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posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:27 PM
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Interesting. Now we see where some of this "extremist" usage is coming from.



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:37 PM
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From the source article:


It wasn't long before it was seen by the Cicada Collective, who described the post as a "horrifying".

The group blamed for the post, Abolish Human Abortion, have been defending themselves against angry users.
"We deny that we support it," they posted in response to one user.
"Kidnapping and abortion are wrong for the same reasons, they both violate the inherent rights and dignity of other human beings."


It appears that usually skeptical ATSers are accepting an anonymous Facebook post as absolute truth, while rejecting the shocked denials of everyone involved.

Will you give some thought to the possibility that the post is a fake? Or does it fit too easily into the belief that anti-abortion people are evil and dangerous?



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:43 PM
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The problem if these activist people are classified as threats it could branch to others in a pre crime stance, that would otherwise not even think of such a thing, but fall into Pro Life activism. This coming from someone who is not specifically Pro Life.



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:45 PM
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I wonder if these religious fanatics
would make an exception for Rosemary's baby.



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 11:55 PM
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People are terrorists now for wanting to save a child's life now Charles; I thought you knew.
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posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:00 AM
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theantediluvian
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If the religious groups really wanted to decrease the number of abortions, they should:

1. Start distributing contraceptives.
2. Stop fighting every attempt to mandate birth control coverage by insurers.
3. Stop pushing abstinence only sex education.
Unfortunately, to some (the zealots), kidnapping women seems like a much better solution


I agree
Politics should have nothing to do Religion but rather focus on the liberties and personal freedoms of people.
For example for marriage they should only receive and document my choices, not instill their religious morals on what race or gender is allowed.


1)If I choose to use contraceptives, that is a choice between my partner and myself. Abortion should be a similar concept, however the government should still have some regulation as to ensure safety and prevent abuse.
2)Birth control should not be forced on anyone, I do not expect it subsidised though by the government due to sex being a personal decision though however it still needs to be affordable and accessible.
3) I very much agree with you on the lack of quality education, at the moment the current systems lacks the reality's of life and reliant on fear to drive a meassage. This extends well past sex though; for example recreational drug use, homosexuality, abortion etc.



People are terrorists now for wanting to save a child's life now Charles; I thought you knew.

Only until its born though, they couldn't care less after that or to who raises it



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:00 AM
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Edit; oops. Wrong thread.

replying to this one properly in a bit ...

Okay, now to properly reply.

What is wrong with these people?
Kidnapping?!

It's not their choice to make!

I'm in favor of putting these people somewhere they can learn all about what it's like to have all their freedoms to make choices taken away from them until they learn the importance of minding their own business and allowing people their own choices.


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posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:00 AM
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Hey you could be right but can you blame them for assuming the worst considering past events like doctors being killed or clinics being burned. Some of those groups are in frenzy.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:06 AM
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I should look into that. I was not aware of those occurrences until recently when someone else mentioned that in a thread on another subject.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:11 AM
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Grimpachi
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Hey you could be right but can you blame them for assuming the worst considering past events like doctors being killed or clinics being burned. Some of those groups are in frenzy.


The hatchet has swung both ways regarding this by the way...

Each of the "sides" have been atrocious; equally and extreme.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:17 AM
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AliceBleachWhite
Edit; oops. Wrong thread.

replying to this one properly in a bit ...

Okay, now to properly reply.

What is wrong with these people?
Kidnapping?!

It's not their choice to make!

I'm in favor of putting these people somewhere they can learn all about what it's like to have all their freedoms to make choices taken away from them until they learn the importance of minding their own business and allowing people their own choices.


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lol didn't that last comment just make you an extremist too? This is insane.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:20 AM
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Here is a list.


Anti-abortion violence

The latest murder was 2009.





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