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US counterinsurgency fails

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posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 08:31 AM
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Looks like the US counterinsurgency doctrine of 'overwhelming force' is failing in Iraq as it did everywhere else it was used (f.ex. vietnam).

Counterinsurgency run amok
By Pepe Escobar

"The people who are doing the beheadings are extremists ... the people slaughtering Iraqis - torturing in prisons and shooting wounded prisoners - are 'American heroes'. Congratulations, you must be so proud of yourselves today."
- Iraqi girl blogger Riverbend

Whom are you going to trust: Fallujah civilians who risked their lives to escape, witnesses such as Associated Press photographer Bilal Hussein, hospital doctors, Amnesty International, top United Nations human-rights official Louise Arbour, the International Committee of the Red Cross; or the Pentagon and US-installed Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi?

www.atimes.com...

[edit on 17-11-2004 by Mokuhadzushi]




posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 08:41 AM
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How come every post you make is a cut and paste from the articles you link to? There is not a word in you post that is yours. The bad thing is you try and pass it off like it IS you wording through lack of mention that you quoted from the article.

Anyway, all I can say about the civillians is they were told to leave long before the fighting broke out. Now, I do not support the war in Iraq, but I DO support my troops. Its just plain ignorance to blame them for doing thier job. If you want to blame someone, blame thier boss, Mr George Bush.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 08:48 AM
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I don't support the war - not for ideological reasons, but for the way it has been conducted. From the beginning it has been sloppy, inept, and poorly planned. People should quit blaming civillians, and start blaming the people who put this whole farce into action.

DE



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 08:49 AM
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posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 09:08 AM
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This wounded martyr who was shot & killed. We've all heard the reports that these people pretend to be dead then wound or kill our soldiers or others by surprise. They pretend to surrender, then end up killing others by dirty surprise. If that is the type of warfare they institute, then one must fight fire with fire.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 09:15 AM
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We turned French and German cities into ruble during WWII. We also helped rebuild them.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by crisko
We turned French and German cities into ruble during WWII. We also helped rebuild them.


This ridiculous statement shows you know nothing about WW2. Name just one French city destroyed in WW2. The destruction of german cities in ww2 was purely the anglo-saxon desire of punishing the germans, by targetting their civilian populations.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 09:22 AM
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Mokuhadzushi

Where are you from? Are you in Iraq? Are you one of the insurgents? You have the same views of reality. Ive just browsed through your list of post and I must say, you support for people who cuts heads off of innocent people sickens me
None of your opening post are original. You refuse to understand that the civillians were allowed to leave. You also refuse to understand who the real culprit is here. Agian I ask, where are you from? Im starting to think you're a reporter for Aljazeera.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 09:28 AM
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"The destruction of german cities in ww2 was purely the anglo-saxon desire of punishing the germans, by targetting their civilian populations"

Are you kidding me? You are actually knocking the Allied forces actions in WWII? You just lost 100% of any remaining credit that anybody may have still had for you. I am actually glad you just posted that statement, it totally puts you into a special new catergory of people that I dont pay antention to no matter what you say.

You are now like one of those people that just keep talking even though people arent even looking at you let alone listening to you. You are creditless now.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi

Originally posted by crisko
We turned French and German cities into ruble during WWII. We also helped rebuild them.


This ridiculous statement shows you know nothing about WW2. Name just one French city destroyed in WW2. The destruction of german cities in ww2 was purely the anglo-saxon desire of punishing the germans, by targetting their civilian populations.


Your right...we used nerf guns





"During D-Day there were many French who were angry about the destruction of their towns and cities by American bombers."


List of villages / cities destroyed:

Caen
St. Lo
Vierville
Isigny

Oh yea...Normandy in case you never heard of it.

5 in one day. D-Day.

EDIT: TYPO. Vivan...LOL.


[edit on 17-11-2004 by crisko]



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 09:55 AM
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as mentioned by Mokuhadzushi
This ridiculous statement shows you know nothing about WW2. Name just one French city destroyed in WW2.


What's really ridiculous is your insinuation that Germany didn't destroy any cities, towns, and locals....



seekerof



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
Mokuhadzushi

Where are you from? Are you in Iraq? Are you one of the insurgents? You have the same views of reality. Ive just browsed through your list of post and I must say, you support for people who cuts heads off of innocent people sickens me
None of your opening post are original. You refuse to understand that the civillians were allowed to leave. You also refuse to understand who the real culprit is here. Agian I ask, where are you from? Im starting to think you're a reporter for Aljazeera.


I'm from Spain.

You apparently don't want to understand : Men aged 15-55 were REFUSED to leave the city by US Forces.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
"The destruction of german cities in ww2 was purely the anglo-saxon desire of punishing the germans, by targetting their civilian populations"

Are you kidding me? You are actually knocking the Allied forces actions in WWII? You just lost 100% of any remaining credit that anybody may have still had for you. I am actually glad you just posted that statement, it totally puts you into a special new catergory of people that I dont pay antention to no matter what you say.

You are now like one of those people that just keep talking even though people arent even looking at you let alone listening to you. You are creditless now.


Then tell me what great military purpose the levelling of german cities was intended for ?

They were destroyed out of pure whim, not really by the americans, but more by the brits.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 10:19 AM
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You are FROM Spain, where do you live now?

[edit on 17-11-2004 by skippytjc]



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
What's really ridiculous is your insinuation that Germany didn't destroy any cities, towns, and locals....



I don't insinuate that. The war in France was rather clean (despite numerous human rights infringements during german occupation), as opposed to the soviet-german part of the war which was really 'dirty'.

What the Marines are doing in Falluja and elsewhere conforms more to that soviet-german type of behaviour.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
What's really ridiculous is your insinuation that Germany didn't destroy any cities, towns, and locals....



I don't insinuate that. The war in France was rather clean (despite numerous human rights infringements during german occupation), as opposed to the soviet-german part of the war which was really 'dirty'. The germans were fighting against the Bolchevists, much like the US is fighting against Satan.

What the Marines are doing in Falluja and elsewhere conforms more to that soviet-german type of behaviour.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
Looks like the US counterinsurgency doctrine of 'overwhelming force' is failing in Iraq as it did everywhere else it was used (f.ex. vietnam).

What counter-insurgency? What civilian group is the US backing in iraq as a counter insurgency? And overwhelming force is what was used in gulf one, not this iraq war. They specifically and purposefully used what they thought was the minimum of troops to topple hussein. Seemed to have worked. Doesn't seem to be working as well as it should for fighting the insurgency tho.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 10:26 AM
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The Brits were bombed ENDLESSLY by the Germans in WWII. They had black out and constant air raids daily. And these were the cities!! Not military bases or air fields, but houses and shops and buildings with 100's people in them!! It scares me that you even analyze what the motives may or may not have been for the Allies to bomb Germany back. You have no clue. I cant believe I am even responding to you over your nonsense.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 10:32 AM
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The German air raids over britain killed at most 100.000 civilians while the bombing of german cities killed more than 2 million german civilians. Over twentyfold vengeance. But let's get back on topic.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
Looks like the US counterinsurgency doctrine of 'overwhelming force' is failing in Iraq as it did everywhere else it was used (f.ex. vietnam).

Counterinsurgency run amok
By Pepe Escobar


Article written by Pepe Escobar? Really?




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