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Obamacare Will Be Repealed Well In Advance Of The 2014 Elections

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posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:14 AM
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macman
reply to post by CALGARIAN
 


Canadians applaud 0bama for his action in sinking the US economy????? And forcing higher financial burdens for the citizens...
What the hell world is this.

It is nice that you like your medicine laws where you live. It is just straight arrogance to think that what you have should be forced onto others.




Well if the USA sinks you get the laugh cause Canada so closely tied to you they will sink too




posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:17 AM
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AllInMyHead


It drives me crazy when people go around saying that they lost their insurance because of "Obamacare". They didn't. They lost their insurance because their health plan didn't make the necessary changes that they knew they had to make in the previous THREE YEARS that they had to make them.



Do you understand the term "semantics"?

Sounds like you have taken lessons from 0bama himself in how to word things.

People are loosing converge, because of the ACA laws. Very simple.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:18 AM
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Most of the modern world will sink if the US sinks, we are so closely intertied among the international community that this is inevitable. Look for WWIII to start shortly after this collapse as well since major wars usually occur during these times.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:20 AM
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So replace one piece of crap with a bag of vomit.

Yeah, sounds terrific to me.

Before the ACA, peoples costs were (A).
After the ACA, peoples costs are (B).

Hopefully this sparks the necessary fire under the rear-ends of people to bounce douchbags like 0bama out of office.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:21 AM
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I don't have a solution....that is what we had alleged experts for in the first place.


And that is the problem...everyone complaining about the ACA, including the Republicans, the Tea Partiers, and the internet warriors have no alternative solution to the problem...all they have is complaints.

There is a saying, "Don't bring up problems, bring up solutions"...otherwise the person just bringing up problems is just a useless complainer.

The only other solution floating around out there is actually from the Democrats...and that is single payer. And that is why I keep saying that either the ACA works or we move to single payer. Actually the ACA guarantees that the only viable option we have to move to is single payer...there is no moving back to the old system...almost like it was designed that way...huh?


You do know that MSM controls/sets Medicare costs...and the prices they choose are then passed down to the rest of medical costs/procedures?


I'm thinking you meant the AMA, and yes I knew that...and I think that is the best policy. I think with a single payer system, this process and estimation of costs will get a lot more attention and fine tuning...but I think the AMA is the exact people who should be determining costs. Not insurance companies and not bureaucrats.


HOw much do you think single payer would cost each taxpayer?
And how much would you pay if you didn't pay taxes?


There have been a few studies and estimates done...I think you will be surprised at how cheap it will be, but most likely won't believe the numbers because it seems like you have already made up your mind and are just looking for reasons to not like a single payer system.

www.dailykos.com...#
www.pnhp.org...

The thing with single payer will be that individuals will no longer have to pay money for health insurance and employers will no longer be paying for health insurance for their employees either. So when they talk about single payer being funded through payroll (employer) and income (employee) taxes...people need to remember that these are mostly if not completely offset by them not having to pay premiums anymore.

I can't give you an exact cost for each person, that is kind of a ridiculous request when there isn't even a piece of legislation up to see the framework of the single payer system we would have. Most studies/experts agree that it will cost less...the opponents of single payer usually don't even have a problem with the costs....it is the "rationing" and the "doctor shortages" that have not happened in any other single payer country that fear monger about.


As far as that larger pool....isn't that already what ACA is?
And, my rates would go up more than $150 per month...and my deductible from $1500 to $6500.....so yeah, that larger pool already working well for us....NOT


And what additional services are you getting for that extra $150 a month? It is intellectually dishonest just to talk about your increased cost without also talking about your increased benefit.

With the ACA, we are getting a bunch of slightly increased pools of people...but we still have separate pools. Along with these, the insurance companies are actually being required to cover medical procedures which before they could weasel out of. If we move to single payer, we have one large pool of 300+ million individuals.



And, what happens to bigPharma.....think they're going to cut their costs, just cuz the POTUS says so???? LOLOL
And Aetna and BCBS...I'm sure they'll be more than happy to go out of business


Big Pharma won't have a choice. Do you know who gets some of the best prices on drugs right now???? Medicare does...do you know why??? Because they are responsible for purchasing/reimbursing a large percentage of the drugs. Big Pharma isn't going to be hurt by single payer...single payer will make it possible for a lot of people who would like to get treatment for medical issues right now but can't to be able to get treatment...that means more customers and more money for the drug companies...they aren't going to be hurt.

I really don't care about BCBS or Aetna going out of business...but most likely they won't anyway. A single payer system still needs someone to process all the claims. It is my opinion that most likely the government will use these larger insurance companies to administer the single payer system.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:25 AM
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Canada making the choice to be tied to the US is not my problem. That is their problem to deal with.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:26 AM
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no disrespect but, you're dreamer without a dream worth mentioning, if you think that way. go check it out yourself, not nearly enough will be buying your plan, the ACA, nor single payer, we will dissolve as a nation long before that because, and you keep forgetting, we are broke. the middle class is broke, we have no funds to spare, so unless the genius's in dc want to pay, it aint happening.

blood meet stone. you have a lot of awareness to attain, but that's okay, we're all learning.


Oh give it a break...we aren't broke...at best we (US citizens) are horrible budgeters and priortizers. Maybe the Jones's don't need that big SUV that takes $200 of gas per month...maybe they don't need those jet skis or the boat they use 4 months out of the year...maybe they could stop wasting money buying guns and ammo and focus on what is important.

And please, don't bother me with the doom and gloom porn of "we are going to dissolve as a nation" crap...I don't do doom porn.

All this reply said to me is "I have no counter for any of your points, so I am just going to use doom porn".



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:27 AM
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reply to post by AlienScience
 


The solution is to go back to the days where people took responsibility for themselves.
The Govt intrusion has forced so much crap, it isn't funny.

Go back to the direct interaction between doctor and patient and remove Govt from the equation.

I am soooo tired of Progressives using the tired old retort of "Well, what is your solution"?

Remove Govt. That is a good start.

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posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:32 AM
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Krazysh0t

bloodreviara

I know for the first two years i will not be participating and will
be paying the penalty because that will allow me to save as much
up as i can and maybe give them time to actually force these
prices back down to actually affordable levels.


Pay the fine? Why would you do that? Just edit your dependents on your w-2 so that you owe a small amount of money (say $20) at the end of the year instead of receiving a rebate. Nothing the IRS can do about it, and it is perfectly legal. You just don't get a rebate every year (of course, technically you still do, you just see it spread out throughout the year in your paycheck).

ETA: I am not a tax advisor, talk to your tax advisor before doing this. I'm sure he'd know the exact way you'd need to manipulate your w-2 to get this desired effect anyways.
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Yeah, great advice...tell people to commit tax fraud.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:36 AM
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macman
reply to post by AlienScience
 


The solution is to go back to the days where people took responsibility for themselves.
The Govt intrusion has forced so much crap, it isn't funny.

Go back to the direct interaction between doctor and patient and remove Govt from the equation.

I am soooo tired of Progressives using the tired old retort of "Well, what is your solution"?

Remove Govt. That is a good start.

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That is hilarious.

So your solution is for everyone to pay out of pocket for medical services...LOL.

And people are saying that I live in a dream world. Do you have any idea what the current costs of simple medical care is? Are you saying individuals should just pay that independently? Or are you suggesting that doctors take massive pay cuts and hospitals operate in the red?

Butterflies and rainbows for everyone...let's just have all doctors make housecalls and give out free medicine to everyone.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:41 AM
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macman
reply to post by crazyewok
 


So replace one piece of crap with a bag of vomit.

Yeah, sounds terrific to me.

Before the ACA, peoples costs were (A).
After the ACA, peoples costs are (B).

Hopefully this sparks the necessary fire under the rear-ends of people to bounce douchbags like 0bama out of office.


Wasnt defending it. As i said obamacare has f it up more and not only is your healthcare going to be bottom of the devrloped world like it already was but it now likelyto fall into 3rd world standards.

I think every president for the last few decades holds blame as the us healthcare should have been reformed long ago, prefrably on the hongkong/singapore lines ( both are 1 &2 on the world health rankings) but no one botheredso now you got your clown obama attempting a half arsed reform thats going to break further your broken system.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:46 AM
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macman
reply to post by crazyewok
 


Canada making the choice to be tied to the US is not my problem. That is their problem to deal with.



It was a joke,......

Butto be honnest the usa hasnt given most country a choose they have falsed there way into political and economic influance in most countrys throughout the world since ww2 and those that resist or want to live on there own terms get hounded and embargos slaped on them untill they cry uncle. Until the usa stops being world bully your going to have to put up with being blamed. Once the usa stopsim sure the world will shut up.5
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posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:46 AM
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reply to post by AlienScience
 


Yes, I guess it is funny, rainbows and such, to expect people now days to take care of themselves and be responsible.

What a sad sad day it has turned into.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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I understand that.

We should kill this law, go back to what we had. And then offer slight changes.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:48 AM
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Oh, I agree. We need to get out of the business of being the world police.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:49 AM
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How is it tax fraud? It's legal to change your dependents so you owe money at the end of the year. The ACA also has it written into it that the IRS can only collect the penalty from your rebate. It is a perfectly acceptable loophole to take advantage of. Corporations take advantage of tax loopholes all the time, why is it you frown upon it when it is people doing it to save their HARD EARNED MONEY?

I like how you try to change the argument on how to save someone money by trying to shame me into thinking that I'm cutting costs to doctors or some nonsense. At the end of the day I, just like the poster I was addressing, want to have as much money in our pockets as possible. In this case it means actually having enough money to pay our OTHER bills (you know the obligations we agreed to BEFORE this crappy legislation was forced down our throats). If that means taking advantage of a tax loop hole, then so be it. I'm not the idiot who wrote it in there, but it exists and you trying to make me feel bad for using it isn't going to work.
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posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:52 AM
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macman
reply to post by AlienScience
 


Yes, I guess it is funny, rainbows and such, to expect people now days to take care of themselves and be responsible.

What a sad sad day it has turned into.


It iswhen to fix a broken leg will cost more than some earn in a year and a treatable cancer diagnoses is a death sentance for someone on minimal wage.

Not saying your wrong in the personal responsibilty departmnent but something would have to be done to slash healthcare costs or at least help those who have fallen on hard times.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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macman
reply to post by AlienScience
 


Yes, I guess it is funny, rainbows and such, to expect people now days to take care of themselves and be responsible.

What a sad sad day it has turned into.


So you honestly think you can compare today's healthcare with the healthcare of the past where the most advanced treatment you would get from a doctor was him using a stethoscope to listen to your lungs to see if you had pneumonia and today where you can get a PET scan to see exactly where there are cancer cells in your body???

It is naïve and just complete ignorance to think that we can individually pay for the healthcare we receive today due to the technology, the specialized training, and tons of research needed to advance our healthcare quality.

Do you know how much an average MRI costs? Do you know why it costs that much?

Are you willing to regress in our healthcare technology and care? If not, exactly how do you expect individuals to pay for the level of care we receive today?

This isn't a solution, this is a fantasy that has no basis in reality.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 10:59 AM
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There is a line on being compassionate, and full on being financially responsible for others.

I can't concern myself with others, as I have a family to take care of.

If the Govt got out, and allowed the free market to work, it would operate under a lower cost. But, since the consumer has been removed, and it is not between Govt and Insurance Companies, it has made costs skyrocket.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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macman
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There is a line on being compassionate, and full on being financially responsible for others.




O I agree you should not be responsible for someone who is fully capable of buying there own health insurance.

But say next month something happens and you buisness went bust and you end up with only a few hundred $'s and then you got the news that you or your wife had cancer a treatble one but still one that would cost you far more than you could hope to muster or borrow. Would just say yup ok and happily go home and die?

Thats when there needs to be some sort of saftey net.




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