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Willtell
...My main point is that the investigation of this type material is challenging and filled with mixed signals from various directions whether it is alien or MILAB, I make no distinction between them...Disinformation is our greatest enemy as well as ignorance and credulity.
The GUT
In the following article by investigative journalist Gus Russo titled Is Uncle Sam a Closet Ufologist? we find some interesting information pertaining somewhat to our subject from a fellow called by the pseudonym, "Jim" who has been identified by various researchers as Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green---Jacques Vallee's longtime friend and professional collaborator as well as a member of The Aviary and Col. B. John Alexander's so-called "UFO Working Group."
You know; the CIA scientist guy that took over the Remote Viewing program oversight from MK-ULTRA project manager Dr. Sidney Gottlieb and is also associated with NIDS, etc., etc., etc.
Then there is Jim, whose professional history in the subject goes back to his personal involvement in the Stargate project in the 1970’s and as a participant in the legendary “Working Group” meetings in the eighties. As one of the intel community’s most senior medical analysts, Jim frequently communicates with UFOlogists.
Chris Iverson believes that Tom and Jim clearly have differing agendas, noting, “Jim is the person I have had the most contact with over the last several months and he seems to be interested in the spreading of viral memes over the internet, particularly in relation to this subject.”…
“The whole subject,” Jim says in wonderfully measured speech, “is composed of three components: delusion, sociological groupthink, and a kernel of truth.” Jim then reminds that he is first and foremost a medical scientist. “My interest in this subject is much, much more professional than it is personal. That is, 90 to 95% of all persons who are engaged fully with this [UFO] subject are psychiatrically ill, and by that I mean that they are on medication or should be.”
Jim elaborates that “viral memes,”[see below] in which disturbed people seek validation in numbers on the web, is, or should be, a growing public health concern. That said, Jim nonetheless has a real interest in UFO’s, and seemingly with good reason.
Both Tom and Jim seem to share at least one rationale for their internet excursions: studying the frightening potential of “viral internet memes.”
Coined by evolutionary theorist Richard Dawkins in 1976 (The Selfish Gene), a meme is a unit of cultural information that evolves the way a gene propagates from one organism to another, and subject to all the analogous unintended mutations. In the view of many, computers and blogs could function as powerful meme “replicators.”
Richard Brodie, the creator of Microsoft Word, notes, “Most of these viruses of the mind are spread because they are intriguing or frightening or inspiring, and not necessarily because they're true. That's the problem.” It doesn’t take much intuition to envision an enemy creating memes that can be used to destabilize a society, or a freelance predator utilizing them to cozy up to potential victims. Caryn Anscomb writes online,
“The UFO community has been deeply penetrated by the manipulators of information, who couldn’t really give a fig whether there might be any valuable data pertaining to Aliens and contact hidden behind the deafening noise. That’s not their business; their business is information warfare.”
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
So maybe that's what he was up to with SERPO and other topics? Eh? Practicing "information warfare" techniques? Monkeying with the control system so to speak...and us?
edit on 14-11-2013 by The GUT because: (no reason given)
EarthCitizen07
KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
Can anyone chime in on driving possibly coast to coast entirely underground?
Building such a network would seem tantamount to building great pyramids - at least doing it in near total secrecy over a short period of time with no apparent excavation debris or coast to coast underground explosion noises..
Building a working ufo would seem easier..
KPB
They have nuclear tunnel boring machines that dig a few miles per day by melting the earth. The machine has never been introduced into commercial venues but its said that the patents go back to the 70s and are 3 in number. People say well the patents exist but so what? Well take a look at the air force one.....
LANL drafted the patents, and well we know that they have been the most advanced national laboratory since ever. One can get an idea here.
There is no muck left behind, no sounds heard most of the time, the people working on the projects have had top secret clearance and never speak. Well actually there some strange humming noises reported by some.
Underground cities is an exaggeration, but DUMBs are real.
1ofthe9
Shenanigans aside, I'd love to have a beer with him and speculate about the weaponization of memes. This psywar stuff is surprisingly entertaining to learn about.
dlbott
EarthCitizen07
KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
Can anyone chime in on driving possibly coast to coast entirely underground?
Building such a network would seem tantamount to building great pyramids - at least doing it in near total secrecy over a short period of time with no apparent excavation debris or coast to coast underground explosion noises..
Building a working ufo would seem easier..
KPB
They have nuclear tunnel boring machines that dig a few miles per day by melting the earth. The machine has never been introduced into commercial venues but its said that the patents go back to the 70s and are 3 in number. People say well the patents exist but so what? Well take a look at the air force one.....
LANL drafted the patents, and well we know that they have been the most advanced national laboratory since ever. One can get an idea here.
There is no muck left behind, no sounds heard most of the time, the people working on the projects have had top secret clearance and never speak. Well actually there some strange humming noises reported by some.
Underground cities is an exaggeration, but DUMBs are real.
Had a friend who worked on Denver airport. That is the small bore machine they brought in on truck. The real monster never sees the light of day and moves only underground and is huge, much bigger than that. Talked little about it in another thread. He never saw the big one but felt it lol.
The no noise part does not jive, he said the big one makes the earth shake. All the tubes were fitted with metal sleeves. Some were magnetic, some were vacuum like at the bank. If you ever fly from there you will freak, the murals are eery of the end of the world. Crazy...
The Bot
ImpactoR
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
How did the thread go from abductions to underground facilities? The link on the previous page about G Valdez book shows Dulce base being alien base or joint human-alien is not true. Phil Schneider was also not telling true things, probably making up the part with aliens as well, Castello was most likely a fake story too, no one can confirm it. Or any encounters underground
EarthCitizen07
ImpactoR
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
How did the thread go from abductions to underground facilities? The link on the previous page about G Valdez book shows Dulce base being alien base or joint human-alien is not true. Phil Schneider was also not telling true things, probably making up the part with aliens as well, Castello was most likely a fake story too, no one can confirm it. Or any encounters underground
Well you are entitled to your opinions about phil schneider and thomas castello as much as anyone else, but playing the off topic card here really doesnt stick.
Yes we are discussing MILAB abductions, and underground facilities is where they normally happen.
Have something more worthwhile to offer?
dlbott
Had a friend who worked on Denver airport. That is the small bore machine they brought in on truck. The real monster never sees the light of day and moves only underground and is huge, much bigger than that. Talked little about it in another thread. He never saw the big one but felt it lol.
The no noise part does not jive, he said the big one makes the earth shake. All the tubes were fitted with metal sleeves. Some were magnetic, some were vacuum like at the bank. If you ever fly from there you will freak, the murals are eery of the end of the world. Crazy...
The Bot
1ofthe9
EarthCitizen07
ImpactoR
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
How did the thread go from abductions to underground facilities? The link on the previous page about G Valdez book shows Dulce base being alien base or joint human-alien is not true. Phil Schneider was also not telling true things, probably making up the part with aliens as well, Castello was most likely a fake story too, no one can confirm it. Or any encounters underground
Well you are entitled to your opinions about phil schneider and thomas castello as much as anyone else, but playing the off topic card here really doesnt stick.
Yes we are discussing MILAB abductions, and underground facilities is where they normally happen.
Have something more worthwhile to offer?
Why use an expensive and sensotive underground facility when simple deception and a disused building would achieve the same results for less expense?
EarthCitizen07
1ofthe9
EarthCitizen07
ImpactoR
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
How did the thread go from abductions to underground facilities? The link on the previous page about G Valdez book shows Dulce base being alien base or joint human-alien is not true. Phil Schneider was also not telling true things, probably making up the part with aliens as well, Castello was most likely a fake story too, no one can confirm it. Or any encounters underground
Well you are entitled to your opinions about phil schneider and thomas castello as much as anyone else, but playing the off topic card here really doesnt stick.
Yes we are discussing MILAB abductions, and underground facilities is where they normally happen.
Have something more worthwhile to offer?
Why use an expensive and sensotive underground facility when simple deception and a disused building would achieve the same results for less expense?
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesnt it make sense to lower the risk factor as much as possible, especially if and when DUMBs exist? I am suprised you dont see the fallacy in your reasoning.
Its not like the DUMBs only serve as munition centers or as bunkers for the elite in case of cataclysmic events, they could serve a wide variety of purposes. Purposes like abducting humans, hiding and housing aliens to work on various projects, etc.
Of course I wouldnt be suprised if they use abandoned buildings in some cases too. It would depend on the sensitivity and needs of each particular case, right?
Willtell
...I think you got a wrong impression because I asked did anyone have proof of any MILAB abductions
It was a rhetorical question to indicate the murky field were in.
Of course they don’t then it wouldn’t be the secret boys at work.
EarthCitizen07
reply to post by 1ofthe9
I understand its mostly supposition and conjecture. I am of the opinion that since nuclear tunnel boring machines were patented back in the 70s, enabling relatively cheap and fast tunneling, studies of DUMBs was conducted but officially they were never built, chances are they were built unofficially.
Just to name one example would be the greenbriar resort in west virginia that was classified top secret and none knew of its existance, until a reporter blew the whistle and now everyone knows it. It would probably be naive to assume there are not many more greenbriar resorts, and some being immensely bigger than that.
During WW2 the russians had them under moscow, the brits had some under london, the germans had some under berlin, etc.
DUMBs are not an uncommon theme at all...edit on 15/11/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)
EnPassant
reply to post by The GUT
For anyone who is not familiar with her, Karla Turner has some interesting things to say about military abductions.
edit on 16-11-2013 by EnPassant because: (no reason given)