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"There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.'"
~ C.S. Lewis, "The Great Divorce"
That's what I see then is a bunch of idiots battering away at the door of God's kingdom, as if it will yield under the sheer pressure of their supreme arrogance, pride, vanity.. see again how there's a great joke in all of this yet to be told at the devil's expense.. or perhaps I should say at the expense of human stupidity and the pride of man..?
We must learn to laugh at the devil, which shuts him up and makes him go away, which in turn frees us up to laugh ever more and still harder!
I hope someone get's this and that it's not just me.
"The best way to drive out the devil, if he will not yield to texts of
Scripture, is to jeer and flout him, for he cannot bear scorn."—Luther
"The devill . . the prowde spirite . . cannot endure to be mocked."—Thomas More
I HAVE no intention of explaining how the correspondence which I now offer to
the public fell into my hands.
There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the
devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to
feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally
pleased by both errors and hail a materialist or a magician with the same
delight. The sort of script which is used in this book can be very easily
obtained by anyone who has once learned the knack; but disposed or excitable
people who might make a bad use of it shall not learn it from me.
Readers are advised to remember that the devil is a liar. Not everything that
Screwtape says should be assumed to be true even from his own angle. I have made
no attempt to identify any of the human beings mentioned in the letters; but I
think it very unlikely that the portraits, say, of Fr. Spike or the patient's
mother, are wholly just.
There is wishful thinking in Hell as well as on Earth.
After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:
“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Jesus Prays for His Disciples
“I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
“I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.
“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one — I in them and you in me — so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. (the correct logical premise)
“Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”
reply to post by Wang Tang
It could also be there there is nothing that "is not" and that it's true that something cannot come from nothing, but that therefore instead, must come from everything already always, as a variable of a supreme value whereby the manifest creation represents, not a capricious addition from nothing, but an intelligent and intentional subtraction from everything, as the absolute infinite formless potential out of which the everything begot something in order so that this life experience as it is might be possible by anticipation and arising from an original intent.
Meaning in other words that everything was made by the father (first father of creation) for the son because of the love between the beloved and beloved other without which there is no reason for there to be a particularized something and not nothing at all or the one non-particularized "thing" (absolute oneness) within which there is no possibility of a relationship or a shared mutual experience i.e.: very lonely, no friends.
The occurrence of life then isn't an absurd and meaningless occurrence, but has a reason and a purpose who's sake is love and the opportunity to experience, enjoy and to share, and to be known and to know or be recognized while recognizing the other recognizing us recognizing them (our mutual glorification.
There is no reason therefore to dissolve ourselves in this so-called nothing that is everything, but instead every reason to be accepted and reintegrated (forgiven absolutely) as we are, while also accepting others as we are accepted, loved, recognized, forgiven.
The dissolution of the self and the idea that everything is nothing at all, misses the point of life, imho.
"What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?"
This is only reasonable, while at the same time honoring ourselves and one another as we are, and that's fun and enjoyable, creative, playful, humorous - a celebration even a triumph and a glory that we can all bask in and enjoy together.
Koinonia - intimate, mutual, participatory, communion (togetherness). That's what it's all about. It's the only thing that's worthwhile in the end, and it just so happens to be the only way to really have any fun and be happy, and joyful, even passionate and freely and fully self expressed in self acceptance, but not in any sort of egotistical or self-centered or conceited sense.
"If I seek only my own glory then that is no glory at all!"
P.S. This wasn't "preaching" but basic reason and logic in perfect alignment with "Philosophy and Metaphysics", where in dealing with such things if we get it right and "ring the bell" something of value has been shared among us and more fully grokked, and that too is what it's all about, because then we're sharing real substantial "food" for our mutual enjoyment.
In other words - please don't try to sell me nothing or even everything. Let us simply enjoy each other's company and the meal at hand, one bite at a time, together and then there it is, a meal prepared for we ourselves from before the very foundation of the world!
Christianity, properly understood, is like a super-overflowing Buddhism that might make you blush and laugh in our mutual glorification and self-other recognition, or simply put, the enjoyment of one another's company.
It's like a Buddhist party at a Wedding Feast, with everyone letting their hair down and celebrating the living, breathing PERSON in their midst even if, at times, that person turns out to be their very own self, reflected in the eyes of their fellow man.
There must be a Zen joke about this somewhere, will try to find it [leaves room].
You cannot turn the God of love into a proud devil, sorry, it doesn't work, it doesn't pass muster.
To clarify, this isn't a self glorification, but one based on mutuality, and love.
Are you full aware that Jesus was and is, God?
Do you know what he said and what he did, and why?
How can you be at enmity with the love of God made manifest/communicated?
We are set free for freedom's sake, to freely love as we are loved.
What's wrong with you? What's your problem?
reply to post by NewAgeMan
I'm just trying to understand some stuff. Do you have a problem?
If he is your Christian neighbor, he is holy in almost the same way, for in him also Christ vere latitat - the glorfier and the glorified, Glory Himself, is truly hidden.