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reply to post by gamesmaster63
I agree! I agree! HELLO?
A moral code is not enforceable by a gov't without contribution by it's citizens.
I could care less what two people do in their bedroom. Not that there's any law forbidding it anyway, so why even mention it??
Law do get made-whether Libertarians approve or not-be they based on the morals of the society or not.
Laws that reflect the moral code of that society, at a guess, are more acceptable by the majority than those that do not reflect those morals.
You and a couple or other seem to cite two examples, pot and gays. Are there no "laws" that you agree with? That align with your morals?
Immigration laws? Fraud laws? Child porn laws? How about voter registration laws? Drink as much as you want? Drive as fast as you want? Term limitations?
Or merely the Constitution "Laws". Anything else might, potentially, infringe on your "free choice"?
Frankly, the more I read these posts, the more the whole Libertarian concept confuses me...not that I'm very smart.
reply to post by tridentblue
I think you express the views of many people. I grew up in America for 23 years (Chicago, Albuquerque, Denver, San Fran) and am now a citizen of Australia. No place is perfect, but you guys have lost the plot there. The rest of the World is getting tired of your Zombie America crap. "No man is an island." The tide of humanity is turning against you. All you have left is bought-off politicians and corporate fascism. Please keep your military in check, for your sakes, and the rest of the world.
If you were here for so long, you should know that what the gov. does and what the people want are two different things. Do you think, we over here, LIKE looking that way to the world? That we ENJOY dang-near not being able to travel abroad anymore because of the way our gov. has handled our country? That if I'm talking to someone from another country, chances are that they don't like me automatically without even knowing me because I'm American? The "rest of the world" doesn't like it obviously, but maybe try being the one everyone hates and not being able to do anything about it. Much less fun. After all, we can't all just pack up and move across the world. I think maybe you're post should be directed at people that can actually control these things. Yeah, Ill make sure and keep our military in check. Right on top of it.... BTW, if you think, for one second, that if America wasn't doing some of the things it's doing that nobody else would take it's place and do the same that's just really naïve. Don't worry it'll be someone else's turn soon enough. Throughout history there has always been one. Sadly, at this point, I guess that's human nature. Not that it's right, at all.
But with the OP, I don't think any specific party / ideology is going to fix the system in itself. I think they all have their winning graces with certain issues, we just need more colabaration from everyone to bring those points together. But, that's a whole thread by itself.
~Peaceedit on 11/11/2013 by Battery because: spellingedit on 11/11/2013 by Battery because: oopsedit on 11/11/2013 by Battery because: dag nammit....
reply to post by FyreByrd
I miss your point, the congress is still restrained by the Constitution, not the people. The laws restrain the people...and themselves, I suppose.
I get the congress is empowered by the Constitution, but also restrained by same. Isn't it the laws made by congress the vehicle to restraining the people? that's all I was saying.
My main point is some moral code, yes, imposition on a group is required for that group to function. Even the native American has an unspoken one, if I understand it correctly, It was "don't piss off more people than you befriend"....
'nuff said. Even if some members here won't like it. But thats how it would run.