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reply to post by Em2013
Just because the gov't endorses a product, doesn't mean you have to purchase it. Hello?
One can do the research and decide for themselves. it's the responsible thing to do.
reply to post by SaturnFX
Sigh, as things are going now with the "progressives" running the show, shutting down NASA, I'm betting the Chinese colonize before the U.S.
If you progressives would get out of the way, we'd have colonized the Moon and perhaps Mars by now.
Your post confirms the "no moral code" flaw of the Progressives and Libertarians.
The Constitution cannot survive in a moral vacuum. It requires a group that supports it. For a group to survive as such a group mores has to exist.
The diminished morals of this country are part of, if not the greatest part of, the abuse of the Constitution.
First let me say there are many, many good Libertarians and my comment are not reflections on them. This is just my opinion.
First, if I have it right, the general idea that I get is a "live and let live", as long as it's within the Constitution. As the Constitution is directed at Gov't, then I assume your referring to elected legislators. Not "The People".
As the Constitution restrains gov't, it's LAW that restrains people, not the Constitution. Do I have this right?
In an earlier thread I got into it with a libertarian who used the Mosque at ground zero as his example of "violating the constitution". Yet, if Libertarians ran the show, they couldn't stop "The People" from stopping it due to their own belief that laws restricting them to the Constitution would bar them from making any law regarding religion as a violation of the separation of church and state. So the whole concept of how they would implement this concept escapes me.
But that's not the point of this thread.
There is a culture war that we are in the middle of. I won't bore going over that. However, as in a shooting war, as this one is not, fortunately, one doesn't "live and let live" towards the "enemy'. One defeats him.
To those that will jump in and say "you fool, don't you realize that both sides are being duped by the 'elite'"?
I answer I DON'T CARE. I want our culture to win no matter who's pulling the damn strings. We can always take care of them afterwards. We outnumber them by just a bit...
So to make it simple, we have the anarchists who say "no rules". Then the Libertarians who say "Constitution only...then no rules." Then there's the conservatives that say, "constitution and rules". Our rules. Our Judeo-Christian moral code rules. That which worked in the past and helped put America on the top in virtually every category one could think of. Workability. Tried and true.
The Constitution is useless without a group that has a moral code, with the majority following that moral code as best as they can. "laws" add consequences to violating that moral code, not live and let live.
Truth be told, the reason we are in this mess is due, at least partially, to having already being suck into "live and let live". We've done it with our culture, our language, our institutions, our gov't...the list is a long one.
We went from a heterosexual society, at least in public, to the point where our senate is drafting laws against discriminating against gays. At the same time, the 'discrimination' against gays is being replaced with discrimination against Christians. In the military, gov't, schools and the list grows as we speak.
So all "live and let live" has gotten us is a degraded moral level, an ineffective/repressive gov't, yet again..on and on.
You want MORE live and let live????
I think not.
I'm not a rocket scientist, so forgive my simplistic thread. Although, sometimes simple is better...just look under your hood sometime..