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superman2012
This
The CIA is funding a scientific study to determine the feasibility of altering the planet’s climate in order to stave off climate change, according to documents released by The National Academy of Sciences.
and
this
make this thread obsolete doesn't it?
They are spraying/have sprayed and will most likely do it again.
Is this as nefarious as some people believe? Maybe, maybe not, but it is proof that they are spraying
Indeed, as we reported last year, a Harvard University project experiment funded by Microsoft founder Bill Gates saw thousands of tonnes of sulphur particles sprayed over New Mexico as part of a geoengineering study, despite the fact that even staunch environmentalists have warned the process could have catastrophic effects on the earth’s eco-system.
This is just one example of a practice that has now been in operation for years, if not decades.
So, please, if you ARE going to debunk any of these points PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take a 2nd look at what you consider evidence before you show that you don't actually understand what it is you are presenting!!
Has nothing to do with "chemtrails" and is NOT and indication they have been doing it for years, it's an indication they are going to do it once from a balloon.
US geoengineers to spray sun-reflecting chemicals from balloon
superman2012
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
Keep reading young one and you will see this:
Indeed, as we reported last year, a Harvard University project experiment funded by Microsoft founder Bill Gates saw thousands of tonnes of sulphur particles sprayed over New Mexico as part of a geoengineering study, despite the fact that even staunch environmentalists have warned the process could have catastrophic effects on the earth’s eco-system.
This is just one example of a practice that has now been in operation for years, if not decades.
Has happened. Read the content.
Same goes for you bub. lol
I'm not debunking, only providing evidence that you asked for. If you want to move the goalposts go right ahead. If you are looking for answers, ask the questions you want answered as specifically as possible. It's easy enough. That way no side can move the goalposts.
superman2012
reply to post by tanda7
lol
So it must be from an airplane to be considered a chemtrail? Okay. Now we are getting closer to what you people require as proof.
Any other goalpost movers?
1. Contrail persistence is nothing new or abnormal - there is ample evidence of them in WW2, and some from before then.
2. Geoengineering wouldn't take place at altitudes being seen - it would be in the stratosphere - airliners and contrails are only operating in the lower part of het stratosphere, and that not all the time. The aircraft being seen are not capable of accomplishing effective geoengineering at eh sort of altitudes being proposed.
7. The ice budget argument - contrails contain massively more water than aircraft can actually carry, and water is lighter than any of the proposed substances, so there's no way any aircraft could actually carry enough of anything to make a trail that big in the first place!
10. The gap between engine and trails indicates they are JUST condensing water. Trails of anything else would not have any gap - water has it because it takes a small time to freeze, and until it does so it is invisible water vapour.
11. Grid patterns are the inevitable result of intersecting routes, and wind.
12. Everything that's been identified as a chemtrail has, IMO, looked, behaved and been generated exactly like a contrail. There is no evidence whatsoever to support the oft repeated idea that "contrails always dissipate quickly"
I don't believe the government wants us all dead either, I just provided what was asked of me and now I can't stop laughing from all the movement!
At least narrow down what you need.
Can the plane be flying East to West?
Can it be after 5pm? EST?
I can think of many more sarcastic questions but I leave it, and this joke thread, alone now.
Shrouded in secrecy, the amount that Uncle Sam sets aside for sensitive operations each year is not allowed to be published for eyes outside of the intelligence community and only for a portion of those briefed on its operations. The latest Snowden leak reveals that at $52.6 billion, the government is actually handing out 2.3 percent fewer than it did in fiscal year 2012 and, additionally, sequestration has caused the agencies to shed 1,241 positions, or around one percent of its workforce. Despite these setbacks, though, the budget, described by the Post as “a bureaucratic and operational landscape that has never been subject to public scrutiny,” includes billions of dollars towards operations that may not be funded if debated in the press.
Aloysius the Gaul
Here's the basic list of problems I have with the chemtrail "theory" - I'd be interested in any contrary evidence to debunk any of them, as I have not seen any so far.
1. Contrail persistence is nothing new or abnormal - there is ample evidence of them in WW2, and some from before then.
This isn't a problem or anything interesting but a statement of fact that is not in dispute.
2. Geoengineering wouldn't take place at altitudes being seen - it would be in the stratosphere - airliners and contrails aer only operating in the lower part of het stratosphere, and that not all the time. The aircraft being seen are not capable of accomplishing effective geoengineering at eh sort of altitudes being proposed.
This is your assumption of the process and the purpose, which may or may not be in alignment with the effort. You assume too much for this "question" to be useful.
3. there is a distinct frequency of less "chemtrail" reports during the previously documented seasonal lull in summer time.
Yes there is. The reason is the effort is related to blocking out certain, not all, but certain frequencies associated with solar output. In fact, the effort is for consciousness frequencies which are no measured by most people. Those who are involved are told what they are doing is for the good of humanity.
4.The rain, snow, dust hair and blood samples show nothing unusual - dirt literally blows in the wind!
This doesn't make much sense at all. Samples from where, who, what? So the wind blows, I'm unclear as to why this "question" really makes your point.
5. Historical records of aerosol, particulate, atmospheric solar transmission/dimming do not indicate perturbations which would be a sign of ongoing geoengineering. cities around the world have publically available data on air pollution you can check!
Again, relative to what? You suggest you studied data, data that has not been altered, which was designed to track such things. You also suggest that the data that has been created, for tracking chems, is the right perimeters. It is possible they are looking at x, when y is the thing they should be looking at.
6. Patents are simply ideas and what is described in the patents being touted as evidence of geoengineering do not align with what is being seen and no evidence exists to indicate these patents are in use.
The DOD classifies patents they feel that are in the interest of national security. You also haven't looked a the patent catalog of other countries. It is ENTIRELY possible the effort stems from another country and the US simply follows orders. Simply because there has been a patent filed, which is supposed to work btw, does not mean anything at all. The DOD vets every patent filed and confiscates the one's they feel they need to.
7. The ice budget argument - contrails contain massively more water than aircraft can actually carry, and water is lighter than any of the proposed substances, so there's no way any aircraft could actually carry enough of anything to make a trail that big in the first place!
So you say. Not really a statement of fact but an opinion. The DOD does a lot of things that can't be done.
8. The fact that such a large-scale, multi-national operation has been kept secret, despite the fact that hundreds, if not thousands (or tens of thousands) of people would be required to implement such a programme. Contrary to popular belief, the Manhattan project was not kept secret - there were Soviet spies in it - and to the extent that it was kept secret it took wartime, physical isolation, and considerably less social media than exists right now.
It isn't being kept secret. It is right out in the open, they simply deny it. There is a difference. What has been done is directly out in the open, what is also done is the systematic denial of the effort. Now, have the governments of the world every denied they were doing anything they were doing? Has any government put forth an effort to put out information that worked to deny something they were doing?
9. The colors seen in some trails can only be made by refraction from ice crystals, and not from a powder. Look up Refraction.
So what. This proves nothing at all other then there is another explanation just as good as the one offered by those who suggest the chem spray is chem spray. Offering another possible explanation is not proof the real reason isn't true.
10. The gap between engine and trails indicates they are JUST condensing water. Trails of anything else would not have any gap - water has it because it takes a small time to freeze, and until it does so it is invisible water vapour.
They? All planes, this argument can only be useful if you put up pictures showing what you mean.
11. Grid patterns are the inevitable result of intersecting routes, and wind.
Here you have a HUGE problem. Were the patterns due to traffic they would be seen in mostly the same pattern everyday, as to look at a flight map of say the North East, plane routes are the same everyday, all year long with the exception of a few here and there. But, the grid patterns, some complete with u-turns, defy the daily patterns. This one you can debunk if you wanted by simply visually tracking he planes on a sky-grid day with what is seen on any of the various trackers. If you live near the ocean you will find the grid patterns out over the ocean, done to drift over the mainland, so the explanation of "just plane routes" fails.
12. Everything that's been identified as a chemtrail has, IMO, looked, behaved and been generated exactly like a contrail. There is no evidence whatsoever to support the oft repeated idea that "contrails always dissipate quickly"
PLAYERONE01
I think there is $52.6 billion worth of reasons why you are wrong and why you need to keep digging and asking yourself why the patterns in the sky weren't there when you were a kid.
Because I can categorically state that in the area that i grew up in there were the small contrails from the back of the jet high in the sky, late in the 90's early in the last decade things changed to what we have now.
The Clip I posted is on underground bases, the reason being is that these are validated as being real and thus expenditure from the so called black budget is validated.
So is chemical spraying plausible under a black budget scheme, "you betcha"
crankyoldman
This is your assumption of the process and the purpose, which may or may not be in alignment with the effort. You assume too much for this "question" to be useful.
Yes there is. The reason is the effort is related to blocking out certain, not all, but certain frequencies associated with solar output. In fact, the effort is for consciousness frequencies which are no measured by most people. Those who are involved are told what they are doing is for the good of humanity.
This doesn't make much sense at all. Samples from where, who, what? So the wind blows, I'm unclear as to why this "question" really makes your point.
Again, relative to what? You suggest you studied data, data that has not been altered, which was designed to track such things. You also suggest that the data that has been created, for tracking chems, is the right perimeters. It is possible they are looking at x, when y is the thing they should be looking at.
The DOD classifies patents they feel that are in the interest of national security. You also haven't looked a the patent catalog of other countries. It is ENTIRELY possible the effort stems from another country and the US simply follows orders. Simply because there has been a patent filed, which is supposed to work btw, does not mean anything at all. The DOD vets every patent filed and confiscates the one's they feel they need to.
So you say. Not really a statement of fact but an opinion.
The DOD does a lot of things that can't be done.
It isn't being kept secret. It is right out in the open, they simply deny it. There is a difference. What has been done is directly out in the open, what is also done is the systematic denial of the effort. Now, have the governments of the world every denied they were doing anything they were doing? Has any government put forth an effort to put out information that worked to deny something they were doing?
So what. This proves nothing at all other then there is another explanation just as good as the one offered by those who suggest the chem spray is chem spray. Offering another possible explanation is not proof the real reason isn't true.
They? All planes, this argument can only be useful if you put up pictures showing what you mean.
Here you have a HUGE problem. Were the patterns due to traffic they would be seen in mostly the same pattern everyday, as to look at a flight map of say the North East, plane routes are the same everyday, all year long with the exception of a few here and there. But, the grid patterns, some complete with u-turns, defy the daily patterns. This one you can debunk if you wanted by simply visually tracking he planes on a sky-grid day with what is seen on any of the various trackers. If you live near the ocean you will find the grid patterns out over the ocean, done to drift over the mainland, so the explanation of "just plane routes" fails.
Some contrails do dissipate quickly, so this point seems useless in your effort.
The chemtrails are several layers deep in purpose. The main purpose is to stop solar energy from arriving in tact, not stopping it entirely, but to diffuse it to the point that humans cannot connect with it. You will see the grids occurring on days when there is certain types of solar activity, and the grids happen in a geometric pattern to stop it - ergo not everywhere gets it every time. Aluminum, barium are the reported main elements, both block things very well. They do it far less these days as they have altered the process of protecting the planet from the consciousness raising frequencies delivered from the sun and the galaxy.
OneFreeMan
I have no problem believing that a chemtrail program exists. I have observed
them being laid, with my own eyes, over the course of years now.
The funny thing is that there has been none over the last month or so, so
my question is have they been forcefully stopped or is the program itself complete?
I am leaning toward the latter.
So it must be from an airplane to be considered a chemtrail?
a visible trail left in the sky by an aircraft and believed by some to consist of chemical or biological agents released as part of a covert operation, rather than the condensed water of a vapour trail
Any other goalpost movers?