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posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 05:49 PM
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So what? If people are willing to pay for the name on the label then it is a fair price. That's how a free market economy works. If the people aren't willing to pay for the name, then the price isn't fair. If you want the cheap suit, buy the cheap suit. If enough people feel as you do, then Nike and Adidas will either go out of business or start selling their track suits for that price point. That's how a free market system works.

The real issue here isn't that you think the track suits are illegally priced, it's that you simply want one with the label and don't want to pay the price that others have decided they are willing to pay and thus, Nike and Adidas can get away with charging 100 pounds (I wouldn't pay that, but I don't need a Nike or Adidas suit, either).

If there are other track suits on offer that are within your price range, buy them. Why do you need one that says Nike or Adidas?




posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 05:57 PM
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ketsuko
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So what? If people are willing to pay for the name on the label then it is a fair price. That's how a free market economy works. If the people aren't willing to pay for the name, then the price isn't fair. If you want the cheap suit, buy the cheap suit. If enough people feel as you do, then Nike and Adidas will either go out of business or start selling their track suits for that price point. That's how a free market system works.

The real issue here isn't that you think the track suits are illegally priced, it's that you simply want one with the label and don't want to pay the price that others have decided they are willing to pay and thus, Nike and Adidas can get away with charging 100 pounds (I wouldn't pay that, but I don't need a Nike or Adidas suit, either).

If there are other track suits on offer that are within your price range, buy them. Why do you need one that says Nike or Adidas?


Nah, what happens is this, the rich buy the real top named stuff....the middle class buy the cheaper of the named stuff and the poorer buy the copies of both.....and no difference in quality with either.

But if a government steps in as in Venezuela , then everyone can afford which ever they want, without the "elitism".
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posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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Well, here's your solution then - Move to Venezuela. Clearly, they are making the kind of "fair" Utopia you desire. I hear they also have free health care. You might also get some kind of "fair" wage, too. Of course, I hear they also have some slight delays in your pay and your care ... but well, that's a small price to pay for absolute equality of outcome for everyone.



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 06:19 PM
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I don't think its unreasonable in 2013 to think that everyone should have access to healthcare and higher education. I dont think its justifiable to say some people don't deserve these things because: (insert hundreds of reasons here).

That is socialism and the label doesn't scare me. Those of us that actually work and pay taxes, arent seeing the benifits of those tax dollars being put to use.

Capitalism has its virtues, but I don't think health and education should have the price tag it does. These are basic requirements for civilized nations and advancement.

Enrolling in College is probably more complicated than any class you end up taking!



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 06:23 PM
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ketsuko
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Well, here's your solution then - Move to Venezuela. Clearly, they are making the kind of "fair" Utopia you desire. I hear they also have free health care. You might also get some kind of "fair" wage, too. Of course, I hear they also have some slight delays in your pay and your care ... but well, that's a small price to pay for absolute equality of outcome for everyone.


I have no inclination to move anywhere thanks, But I'd think Venezuela has more thoughts about becoming a Utopia than the capitalistic Western countries that we live in, what with the equality gap widening exponentially. How long can capitalism last ?



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 06:41 PM
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Don't get me wrong: I'm not defending the US for anything. I wouldn't know how to label the brand of government we have. Believe me, I wasn't making any comparisons. We here are about to have a big-ass trap sprung on us that will make us wish we could escape to Venezuela—except that all the borders will be closed....



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 04:18 AM
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The things is that in Venezuela there is a control of exchange so you cannot get dollars or any other currency freely, the controlled dollar sold by the government, extremely hard to get and riddle by corruption, cost 6 Bolivares (bs); because they print more bs that it can be supported by the reserves they cannot give enough $ to supply the demand so people/companies have to buy $ from other sources at 64 bs. Therefore things like an iphone that cost around 500$ in any country have to be imported at 64bs/$ hence sold at 30k bs or 5k $ at official exchange rate, therefore unfair price according to the government.
All that was raid from the store is a lost that will never be replaced by the owners that happens to be in jail at the moment because they tried to sell things in a communist country.

Yep the system works flawlessly



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 07:39 AM
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Well, you know how it is. If people are spending too much money on useless luxuries, they don't have as much "disposable income" to donate to the government (We'll just call it donating, OK?).
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posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 10:35 AM
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Thats not communism. And Venezuela is how it is not because of socialism but because of the dictatorship they are under, the country is awfully ran.
If communism did in fact exist anywhere in the world, we would all love to live there.
And Venezuela, despite what their leaders may say, is not a socialist country, i mean they are badly managed, and they have a few "socialist policies" if you may call them, the state plays a big role in their economy, but it is basically a capitalism country with awful policies. So it doesn't really matter what form of economic model they follow, they are doomed because of Chavez and Maduro, specially Maduro.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 12:23 AM
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ketsuko



The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.


Winston Churchill

Venezuela is just the latest example of why socialism doesn't work, but somehow no one seems to ever pay attention. I guess they just didn't find the right people to run it down there.


I overwhelmingly agree with your basic view (gave a star too!), however using the word socialism I always feel is inaccurate to describe a situation like Venezuela. Venezuela is communist, full-on. Most western European nations are socialist society democracies built on a capitalist economy.

It's obviously more complicated than will ever fit in a single post, but many socialist values enrich ANY society and a GOOD universal healthcare in particular will always boost a nations productivity through a happier, healthier workforce.

Please don't for a second think I support what Obama has done though, and the ACA specifically is such a turd it's saddening.



posted on Nov, 12 2013 @ 02:44 PM
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it's called socialism. when their plans start to collapse, they start seizing industry.
but the planners keep planning. they can't help it, they think they are smarter than everyone else.
even though their brilliance is what sowed the problem in the first place.


Nothing to do with the fact they charge 6x times as much as other retail and the export/import bs from the US.It's infact capitalism that created this problem....dat evil evil socialism,right?Tell me how great the US is,where 70y olds have to work for their medicine and 20y are in debt coz they study etc.US isnt collapsing either....oh,the irony



posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 05:06 AM
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I guess old folks have to work for their medicines in their late years but at least they live that long

en.wikipedia.org...

People complaining about quality of life in US should live in other countries for a while and experience all new life concepts like don't be able to drink water or eat, you know real problems.

And yes of course Venezuela is not a communist country, its just a corrupt hell hole were 40 % of import cost goes to someone pocket ($10bn this year only) according to their own central bank.

www.eluniversal.com...

But hey its cool, if someone here want to speak about the wonders of a true communist utopia please let me know how to determinate the price of things without supply/demand/cost or why should someone study a 4+ years career to be equal to someone that just sells tickets in a theater, or after all if we are all equal why do something at all if we deserve the same things as anyone else, big government should supply all our needs, they are our brothers after all


Capitalism is a bad system if your lazy, but in the end its the only thing that works, if America is failing its just because the government is expending money to support people and that is just a waist of resources as in the end we all die, governments should only spend in infrastructure and programs that could provide benefits to the country longer than a life time.

Sorry for my broken english, i was born in Venezuela
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posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 10:48 AM
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Doesn't the military have more important things to do than raiding electronics stores. Maybe the military wanted some upgrades to they amenities lol. What better way than to raid an electronics store. Idiots.



posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 01:18 PM
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here's a small video, this is from my country's Local News website:

www.elsalvador.com...



I would really love to take for free* a 42" or 63" LG HDTV



posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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you can have that kind of free anywhere, here is how people collaborate to get them free

www.youtube.com...



posted on Nov, 13 2013 @ 03:42 PM
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People who think the US is still truly a free market capitalist state make me laugh.





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