Does The Poppy Glorify War?

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posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 02:38 PM
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"So how come we are still fighting them then ?" Quote Ismail

Because people are idiotically expecting that for some reason the ranks of poulation that could really protest, because they are affected by it, really give a damn about whether you want to wear a poppy or not...the money for a stupid, symbolically-infused poppy goes to making someones life easier...and whatever your armchair philosophy on war is, it, in actuality achieves nix...but a measly $2.00 will...

Å99




posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 02:48 PM
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I don't dispute that it's more than just a small minority, there's a significant percentage of Celtic supporters who for whatever reason choose to distance themselves from what they believe the poppy symbolises, but I assure you it's not all of them.
Only yesterday I had a couple of pints with two friends of mine who were both born in Glasgow and who are long standing season ticket holders at Parkhead. Both strongly disagree with the sentiments expressed by those who make those public displays of their 'anti-poppy' opinions, but of course their opinions aren't sensationalist and aren't reported.
Celtic as a Club take a neautral stance on it not wishing to alienate any of their supporters.

It's worth noting that sections of both Aston Villa and Sheffield Wednesday fans have allegedly displayed exactly the same sentiments of the 'anti-poppy' Celtic fans yet there has been absolutely no reporting of it in MSM - I wonder why that is?
edit on 10/11/13 by Freeborn because: grammar and clarity



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 03:23 PM
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The thing I find sad is that the governments that force the soldiers to war, to this day, are also the governments that enforce a national day of mourning, which would be appropriate if it weren't so hypocritical. Even as a child it felt wrong in a confused sense. The meaning gets lost when "never again" keeps happening. And with ever growing frequency.

Nobody should die for their crap wars.



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 03:42 PM
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akushla99
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"So how come we are still fighting them then ?" Quote Ismail

Because people are idiotically expecting that for some reason the ranks of poulation that could really protest, because they are affected by it, really give a damn about whether you want to wear a poppy or not...the money for a stupid, symbolically-infused poppy goes to making someones life easier...and whatever your armchair philosophy on war is, it, in actuality achieves nix...but a measly $2.00 will...

Å99


You made a good point. So where now ?

Also...

Do you work in the poppy sector ?



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 05:37 PM
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The government don't 'enforce' remembrance day, its an appeal run by the Royal British Legion.

ALS



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 04:17 AM
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Igloo writes :-

"The thing I find sad is that the governments that force the soldiers to war, to this day, are also the governments that enforce a national day of mourning, which would be appropriate if it weren't so hypocritical. Even as a child it felt wrong in a confused sense. The meaning gets lost when "never again" keeps happening. And with ever growing frequency."

Exactly! That was my childhood experience too.
First the realisation that we were being lied to by supposedly omniscient grown-ups -- then the feeling of alienation as I realised that everyone else around me seemed to be meekly accepting the lie.


Whilst finding the wearing of a poppy inappropriate as an honest expression of my own feelings, I can see that someone else may have a different view, and for whom the wearing of this symbol is an important part of their lives.
I don't need to share their view to respect their sincerity.
And if they are sincere, and return my respect -- why should I care what they believe?

This is a subject which demands that we know where we stand, and why -- not one where we should try to alter the opinions of others.
That's their business.

mistersmith.



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 04:25 AM
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Ismail

akushla99
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"So how come we are still fighting them then ?" Quote Ismail

Because people are idiotically expecting that for some reason the ranks of poulation that could really protest, because they are affected by it, really give a damn about whether you want to wear a poppy or not...the money for a stupid, symbolically-infused poppy goes to making someones life easier...and whatever your armchair philosophy on war is, it, in actuality achieves nix...but a measly $2.00 will...

Å99


You made a good point. So where now ?

Also...

Do you work in the poppy sector ?


Damn! The jig is up, isn't it?

$2.00 measley dollars, man...you don't have to wear the stupid, cheap wire and crepe paper monstrosity...you do't have to compromise your politico-philosophical views...

I hate frickin war, I hate anything to do with it...but, alot of shellshocked (maybe naiive) people and thier families are dealing with situations that governments could be paying out on - but they ain't...we gotta fill the breach with a measley $2.00...

Cheers dude

Å99



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 05:03 AM
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So Ismail, you can discharge your social responsibility, and join the ranks of the sanctified charitable for a "measley $2."
Sounds a good cheap deal to me, it's a wonder we aren't all saints.
Could you see your way to lending me a fiver -- I want to be a real hero....

mistersmith.



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 05:07 AM
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mistersmith
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So Ismail, you can discharge your social responsibility, and join the ranks of the sanctified charitable for a "measley $2."
Sounds a good cheap deal to me, it's a wonder we aren't all saints.
Could you see your way to lending me a fiver -- I want to be a real hero....

mistersmith.


...and what would you do with the $1.00 left over?

You are a real hero...

Å99



posted on Nov, 11 2013 @ 07:18 AM
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I don't think I'll be buying, but thank you for the food for thought you just provided.

Maybe next year. If your poppy farm is still running that is...



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