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the evidence for " karmic causation " is
AfterInfinity
reply to post by NthOther
Anyone here can tell you I have a distinct interest in dharma and taoism. Thing is, you gotta ask.
feel left out. Ignored and neglected. I can’t find an atheist to debate the finer points of Taoism with me. Or any Dharmic religion for that matter. None of them seem to know anything about it. All they want to talk about is Christianity. And many of them do know a lot about Christianity, albeit academically and not experientially. I’ll give them that.
But if they’re going to make sweeping and convicted claims about how material (physically observable, definable, etc.) reality is the only reality, and therefore that all religion and spirituality is hogwash, shouldn't they… well, shouldn't they know what they’re talking about? It seems to me that invalidating all religious/spiritual belief systems (or any associated concept) based on the criticism of almost exclusively Abrahamic religions is about as unscientific as you can get. Not to mention dripping with ignorance.
Akragon
reply to post by ignorant_ape
the evidence for " karmic causation " is
That's easy... Try it out for yourself...
Proof of Karma is easy to prove... Do bad things, bad things will happen to you
Do good things, and good things will happen...
its simple and provable if you choose to do so
Akragon
reply to post by WarminIndy
Bad things happen to good people because of an accumulation of Karmic debt... Sometimes even from unresolved Karma from past lives...
Everything works itself out... and returns to neutral
Love Vs Hate... Yin & Yang
So to speak
VioletKarma
reply to post by NthOther
Hello
I am an atheist and I believe in the laws of Karma > (causation)
We DON'T believe in a god/gods/goddesses
WarminIndy
Akragon
reply to post by WarminIndy
Bad things happen to good people because of an accumulation of Karmic debt... Sometimes even from unresolved Karma from past lives...
Everything works itself out... and returns to neutral
Love Vs Hate... Yin & Yang
So to speak
And you have now introduced the Christian doctrine, as we believe Jesus paid that debt for us. If some Christians believe Jesus paid it for ALL sin, then they would have to concede if it were for all, then they could incorporate reincarnation. I think you found a loophole for some Christians....
I believe in one life, one time around, and after this the judgment, but karma would still basically apply, in that karma is "we reap what we sow". So judgement and karma are basically brothers from other mothers.
what force then records the karma, mediates and then enforces its laws, and then carries out the punishments/rewards of the karma?
is that karma as in re-incarnation? or just the karma during ones life?... after seeing the ELites, and how they continually reap rewards with no cost.. I am unsure on karma
Akragon
Bad things happen to good people because of an accumulation of Karmic debt... Sometimes even from unresolved Karma from past lives...
WarminIndy
most atheists do come from Christianized backgrounds.
May I add that sometimes bad things happen to good people because of, what I call, Karmic splatter? Others create bad karma and because we are all connected, the collective ends up paying the karmic debt. Sometimes. At least, that's what it looks like to me. (and I'm not sold on the whole Karma thing... but that's what I kind of see going on ... )
I feel left out. Ignored and neglected. I can’t find an atheist to debate the finer points of Taoism with me. Or any Dharmic religion for that matter.
The Panchen Lama has not been seen since he was abducted by Chinese forces in 1995, aged six
The publication said conditions for Tibetan Buddhists are “worse now than at any time over the past decade” and this fostered “deep resentments”.
Tibet’s resistance
The report makes mention of the Tibetan Buddhist monks and nuns who have set themselves on fire calling for the return of the Dalai Lama and the release of the Panchen Lama.
Around 120 Tibetans have set themselves on fire as part of a wave of resistance against Chinese occupation. More than 50 were monks and nuns.
www.freetibet.org...
Akragon
WarminIndy
Akragon
reply to post by WarminIndy
Bad things happen to good people because of an accumulation of Karmic debt... Sometimes even from unresolved Karma from past lives...
Everything works itself out... and returns to neutral
Love Vs Hate... Yin & Yang
So to speak
And you have now introduced the Christian doctrine, as we believe Jesus paid that debt for us. If some Christians believe Jesus paid it for ALL sin, then they would have to concede if it were for all, then they could incorporate reincarnation. I think you found a loophole for some Christians....
I believe in one life, one time around, and after this the judgment, but karma would still basically apply, in that karma is "we reap what we sow". So judgement and karma are basically brothers from other mothers.
Nope... It has nothing to do with Christian doctrine... Love Vs hate is a tenant of all faiths...
And of course you, and All Christians are free to believe what they will... Jesus hinted on reincarnation, and Job stated it blatantly... it exists. Only Chrstians say it doesn't and by doing so they make the bible false because as its said... With God anything is possible.
And the idea that "Jesus paid the debt of all sin" has a fatal flaw, that being Good people die for no reason all the time... Good people are tortured and punished for nothing all the time. Horrible things happen to good people all the time... Which would make that theory Null and Void
Akragon
reply to post by WarminIndy
I believe you're confusing Love and Hate Vs personal likes and dislikes...
IF love is only a part of our intellect... and humans in general are relatively.....
How should I put this.... STUPID?
How can God be love as the bible states?
Because we embrace those things we personally like and promote it, and build our lives and philosophies around that, it does become what we love or hate.
Why do people buy into Harley Davidson merchandise? Is it because Harley Davidson is just a motorcycle, or does it carry symbolic meaning and lifestyle to the one who simply likes motorcycles, or everything attached to it?
Is a rock star simply just a vocalist, or do people embrace the rock star in his entirety above personal likes?