Salvation Army says “Gays Need to Be Put to Death”

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The Salvation Army has expressed their Christian beliefs in the past, stating that they do not accept the LGBTQ lifestyle, nor do they stand up for gay marriage. Salvation Army went on record recently, stating that LGBTQ parents should be put to death as the bible instructs. Major Andrew Craibe, a Salvation Army Media Relations Director, went on public radio hosted by journalist Serena Ryan, to discuss a recent call by LGBTQ parents for a boycott of the nonprofit for its anti-gay policies and beliefs.

Some how I find this hard to believe that this is Salvation Army doctrine.
Every holiday season I give generously to the Salvation Army, but if it's true that they discriminate against gay people; I will find another place for my holiday charitable contributions.

reply to post by olaru12


but gay people make me laugh so much! my local salvation army is overpriced anyway.

Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone...


I believe is what the founder of the christian faith said, when faced with an offense that merited death by OT standards.

What's the meaning of "LGBTQ"??


Forget it I found the answer!!

There was more on this as covered in the Rant thread about this topic in September.

Salvation Army says “Gays Need to Be Put to Death”

It was posted almost a month and a half ago, so the second thread on it isn't my point. Toward the end of Page 1, another member had done some research to get more about what had happened here and the Salvation Army's official response with apology.

I'd been pretty confused and upset by this too...and they are very serious on their religious approach, as is their right. This would have been clear over the top as an organizational position though, so it was good to learn that it wasn't.

Okay, let me get this straight. Mr Andrew Craibe, a Salvation Army Media Relations Director, intentionally and willingly, destroyed his organisation's credibility by confirming that their belief system is aligned with the scriptures stating that Gay individuals must die.

This story is either a farce, or the Salvation Army needs to hire a new Media guy.

reply to post by olaru12


Doesn't shock me in the least...

I wonder how they feel about bratty children... Apparently they should be put to death as well...

All or Nothing right?

bloody hypocrites...

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I find this article more appropriate now that the holiday season in almost on us with "Peace on Earth and Good will to Men"

Perhaps the Salvation army and Westboro Baptist church can join forces to rid the earth of those not worthy in god eyes.. ....according to them.

Most of us are a little more tolerant, I would hope.

reply to post by olaru12


Well, in all fairness, you had said you hoped this wasn't true. In fact, it isn't true as presented, near as I've determined from the work of the other member and how the sources pan out.

It made me feel a bit foolish for not having looked into it a little closer back then, actually.

However, it is the Holiday season, so it seems important to at least mention their statement made following the interview (which doesn't seem to have mentioned parents in this context?).

Nonetheless, the backlash from the Salt and Pepper interview with Major Craibe prompted the Salvation Army to issue a "response to questions raised about [the] interview" that issued an apology for the "miscommunication" and included the following answers about the Salvation Army's stance on the subject of homosexuality:

Question: Do Salvation Army full members believe, as per the Salvationist Handbook of Doctrine, that practising homosexuals should be put to death? Why, or why not?

Salvation Army members do not believe, and would never endorse, a view that homosexual activity should result in any form of physical punishment. The Salvationist Handbook of Doctrine does not state that practising homosexuals should be put to death and, in fact, urges all Salvationists to act with acceptance, love and respect to all people. The Salvation Army teaches that every person is of infinite value, and each life a gift from God to be cherished, nurtured and preserved.

Source

The source also quotes the transcript of the original interview, as well as a link to the audio of it for anyone to listen and check out. That's what I find useful about Snopes. It isn't what they say as much as how they source every statement they reasonably can to the original point of origin.

Anyway, since you were hoping to find otherwise on this vs. how it first sounds..I hope this is a positive addition to the story.

sweeper84
What's the meaning of "LGBTQ"??


Forget it I found the answer!!

edit on 9-11-2013 by sweeper84 because: answered my own question

Put two in a cage with bucket of stones. Three five minutes rounds or to the death. Would be sold out in short time.



The Bot

reply to post by olaru12




Lord, please help these poor souls see the error of their ways.

Class is now in session:

Thessalonians 5:20-22
Do not despise prophecies,
but test everything; hold fast what is good.
Abstain from every form of evil.

Exodus 20:13
Thou shalt not kill.

John 8:1-11
Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”

Zechariah 8:17
And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the Lord.

That will be all.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Thanks, that's good to know that the salvation army won't be taking up the sword of righteousness to smite the sodomites.

I just wonder how a public relations debacle could ever get this far. It's bound to hurt their collections. Even a hint of anti gay and lesbian attitudes. This Yule season, I think I'll spend my time and money with my brothers in arms at the VA. Real Soldiers as it were....

reply to post by Glass


Oh Good... I like a classroom setting...

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

reply to post by olaru12


hmm seems untrue to me. The Salvation Army over here do not discriminate or exclude anyone and don't even have that kind of fanatical speech.

seems very odd indeed. Maybe a 'smear campaign?'

Akragon
reply to post by Glass

 

Oh Good... I like a classroom setting...

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Which of course directly conflicts with everything in my above post, including teachings directly from Christ himself, thus failing the test of prophesy.

Thessalonians 5:20-22
Do not despise prophecies,
but test everything; hold fast what is good.
Abstain from every form of evil.

"Thou shalt not kill...except in this case and this case and this case..." doesn't hold up. Abstain from every form of evil.

reply to post by Glass


Good man...

Though Jesus said resist not evil bro... Poor clueless Paul

reply to post by olaru12


I think they were Misquoted , they Really meant Liberal Socialist Democrats......

To me, homosexual behavior is a lot like eating dirt, in my opinion it's gross, but it is also none of my business.

It certainly isn't criminal and regardless I don't believe in killing others for any reason other than self-defense. This guy is one idiot who has tarnished the reputation of an otherwise wonderful organization. It is a lot like what Jerry Sandusky did to Penn State. One rotten Apple spoils the bunch as they say.

reply to post by olaru12


When the house I shared with my partner and our son caught fire five years ago, the Salvation Army was there within thirty minutes. They paid for a week-long stay at the best hotel in town, then gave us $350 to buy new clothes. They knew we were gay, but it didn't seem to bother them.

Don't let the words coming out of one man's arse-hole stop you from donating.

the guy's only job is to make the foundation look good. that is litterally the reason he was hired.
and he did pretty much the worst thing he could have done to hinder that lol.

you gotta wonder about people these days.