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It is impossible to force the second coming. That is just one more example of man's arrogance. Everything that happens was predestined by God and is His will. Any action taken by anyone to "force" or speed up the timeline to bring about the second coming was the will of God in the first place, and that action is just another part of his plan.
So because God knows it makes your choices any less valid?
Most of those things you describe are uniquely human things, human evils. Had the people involved in those events acted like God wanted us to, even with a simple "Do unto others," would those things have happened? And had God stepped in to stop those events, would the people involved still have been making choices freely anymore?
Ok, you have a choice - Do you want God as puppet master or God as someone who lets things be? You can't have it both ways.
reply to post by ketsuko
I vote for a God which is not perfectly omnipotent nor omniscient. Maybe he's the greatest thing in our universe, but that wouldn't make him an infinitively powerful being.
Just powerful enough to influence what he created (and trillion times more powerful than us). After all, according to the Bible itself, he still has to "move his Spirit" onto the waters to create land in Genesis. Which means he is not infinitely omniscient nor omnipotent - he must spend a small quantity of effort to get information or interact with the universe.
Wouldn't that be a logical assumption?
edit on 11-11-2013 by swanne because: (no reason given)
I look at him as the something akin to the writer of a computer program in the sense that he pre-existed this universe and designed it. Therefore, he's outside it and not bound by it's rules. That means he's not bound by space time the same way that we all are. That explains to me how he can know what will happen. He's sort of everywhere and everywhen if you will.
reply to post by ketsuko
In other words, there's still some huge gaps in your understanding. Highly indicative of the stability of your beliefs.
reply to post by Itisnowagain
In the hope of clarifying.
Not sure what you are hoping to clarify.
"What does it profit a man to gain the WHOLE world, but lose his own soul?" (character, passionate desire, charm, humor)
TextWell the anti-Christ will be the next savior to show up ...We in our time may get to see this creature who ever he is ..interesting times ....peace