Not looking for abstract philosphies on David and his sin according to the bible, but rather, a to-the-point discussions based off the OP. Discuss.
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He also sent her husband Uriah into battle, knowing he would be killed. David first tried to send Uriah into his wife so he would sleep with her. He
refused on the grounds that he would not be faithful to Israel.
1 Samuel 11
9 But Uriah slept at the door of the king’s house with all the servants of his lord, and did not go down to his house. 10 So when they told David,
saying, “Uriah did not go down to his house,” David said to Uriah, “Did you not come from a journey? Why did you not go down to your
11 And Uriah said to David, “The ark and Israel and Judah are dwelling in tents, and my lord Joab and the servants of my lord are encamped in the
open fields. Shall I then go to my house to eat and drink, and to lie with my wife? As you live, and as your soul lives, I will not do this
---In other words, he was more faithful than David at this point.
14 In the morning it happened that David wrote a letter to Joab and sent it by the hand of Uriah. 15 And he wrote in the letter, saying, “Set Uriah
in the forefront of the hottest battle, and retreat from him, that he may be struck down and die.” 16 So it was, while Joab besieged the city, that
he assigned Uriah to a place where he knew there were valiant men. 17 Then the men of the city came out and fought with Joab. And some of the people
of the servants of David fell; and Uriah the Hittite died also.
---After this, the Lord convicted David of the sin.
12 Then the Lord sent Nathan to David. And he came to him, and said to him: “There were two men in one city, one rich and the other poor. 2 The rich
man had exceedingly many flocks and herds. 3 But the poor man had nothing, except one little ewe lamb which he had bought and nourished; and it grew
up together with him and with his children. It ate of his own food and drank from his own cup and lay in his bosom; and it was like a daughter to him.
4 And a traveler came to the rich man, who refused to take from his own flock and from his own herd to prepare one for the wayfaring man who had come
to him; but he took the poor man’s lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.”
5 So David’s anger was greatly aroused against the man, and he said to Nathan, “As the Lord lives, the man who has done this shall surely die! 6
And he shall restore fourfold for the lamb, because he did this thing and because he had no pity.”
7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the
hand of Saul. 8 I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that
had been too little, I also would have given you much more! 9 Why have you despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in His sight? You have
killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon. 10 Now
therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your
wife.’ 11 Thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, I will raise up adversity against you from your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes and
give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun. 12 For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all
Israel, before the sun.’”
13 So David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.”
---The Lord's law was followed. As with any sin we commit, others suffer. In this case, the direct cause of the suffering of others was not just a
result of David's disobedience. It was the Lord who moved the events into motion because of David's sin. Of course, we do not see this as a moral
thing for the Lord to do. I would agree with this from outward appearance. I have always had trouble with 1 and 2 Samuel and even books like Judges.
Read Judges 19 to the end as an example. There is nothing seemingly righteous about using the suffering of people to punish a King, yet this is what
happens over and over again to Israel. America will suffer the choices of Obama. There is no doubt. Germany suffered under Hitler.
Why was this so and is there a reason that shows the Lord as a Just Lord of Israel? Actually, there is. Israel was under a covenant with God. They
agreed to this covenant and law. God mirrored the King's to the nation. Why? Simple. the LORD desires to be the King of the people and Israel
asked for a King from among men. The Lord resisted, but then yielded to the people. The result is always the same. God allow it, yet recommends a
different course. In the end, we will see an end to this as Christ comes to reign as King. What will be the difference?
Christ is the Lord himself, sacrificing himself to give us what we desire. We desire a King among the Kinsman of Earth. Once we have tyranny from
our own Kings that is unbearable, we will cry out for justice. The only way we can have both good leadership and justice in our land is to have the
Lord preside over the Government. We cannot have corrupt men in this position. We have demonstrated this over and over again. Who is the Lord now
that he has lived among us? Christ the Lord, our Kinsman Redeemer.
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the greatness of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David’s throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the Lord Almighty
will accomplish this.
Take this to your own family. If you do hard drugs, will the income also be lost to your family? What do they suffer by the choice? If a father
smokes and gets cancer, will the family suffer? If a father sleeps around with other women, gives a horrible STD to the mother, do the children
suffer? Is this God's choice or the father's choice? What came of the events in David's life? His actions had a ripple effect into the kingdom
below, just as the father's choices have ripple into the events that come from the choice. Did God cause the problem or did David destroy his own
kingdom? Keep it straight. The Lord of the OT is not Elohim (Father) spoken of by Christ. The LORD is the Redeemer Himself.
---See this Thread: Son of God for Dummies.
Also, see this thread: Communication is the response you get...
These are a list of presuppositions we live with each day. Additionally, who is the LORD of the Old testament? Once you know the answer, you know
why such choices were made and how they became the lesson of the Son of God. God is raising the Son by the choices he makes, just as we are parts of
that Son of God doing the same below. Judge the Lord and you judge yourself. The LORD and Elohim (Father) are not the same thing. His choice and
yours are the same.