Man given death sentence in the USA for not being rich

2ndthought

Pejeu
That's what you get when you let the right wing write your healthcare reform bill.

Couple things wrong in your assertions.

1) The right wasn't even allowed in the room while the bill was being written.
2) It was Pelosi that said they had to pass it in order to see what was in it.
3) Not a single member of the 'right' voted for the bill that you say they wrote. However, ALL members on the left DID vote for it.

Do you understand now the flaws in your logic?

You're the one with no logic at all, let alone a flawed one.

Left wing solution would have been single payer healthcare with mandatory enrolment of everyone, regardless of income or lack thereof. Possibly with entirely free healthcare for people that make less than a given yearly amount a year.

Or, at the very least, a public option.

But no!

You couldn't even countenance that! That would have been socialist or even communist.

So now you try and sleazily try to claim that ACA is left wing legislation?

Are you... for real?

This man wasn't cut off by his insurer because the poor little insurance company couldn't afford to insure all the poor people and slackers at the rock bottom rates of ACA, like you and people like you most certainly believe.

He was cut off because he himself is a liability and because they could. And the moment they could do it they did it.

Enjoy your right wing healthcare reform bill.

You can't have single payer or even government hospitals.

That would be socialist and stuff.

So enjoy the alternative.

ketsuko
reply to post by AmberLeaf

 

Until you can show me that your wages are better than ours, I'd rather have the money and bills. Thanks.

Thank god I live in the UK. I will never have to worry about getting sick and paying bills......oh hang on. I had appendicitis.....fixed no bill. I came of my bike smashed my collar bone.....fixed no bill. My partner had breast cancer, two operations , 6 doses of chemo, 3 doses of radio.....now free of cancer and no bill.

You US folks can keep your pathetic immoral healthcare system. Civilised peoples do not let people suffer because their wallets are not fat enough. However, fly in the ointment is our current right wing government intent on destroying the NHS. Quite clearly offloading services to private contractors. Which is why I as an English person living in Scotland will vote for independance to be free of the tories. Scotland is preserving the NHS as it was intended, we even get prescriptions and dental care for free.

Does anybody in the US ever look at the scandanavian countries? Their taxes are much higher but their quality of life and "happiness factor" is way above other countries.

yorkshirelad
Does anybody in the US ever look at the scandanavian countries? Their taxes are much higher but their quality of life and "happiness factor" is way above other countries.

edit on 10/11/2013 by yorkshirelad because: (no reason given)

With all the hidden taxes in the US, their taxes aren't all that much higher. For lower income people the taxes are even lower in scandanavian countries than the US as visible progressive taxes are replaced with hidden regressive ones in the name of lowering taxes.

reply to post by AmberLeaf

You're saying UK 'healthcare' is good?
I admit it used to be.

Have you tried to visit a doctor recently?

Maybe it depends where you live, but a snowball's chance in hell where we live would be a good way of describing visiting a GP around here.

People get so sick they end up in A and E. A and E gets so busy they often miss seriously sick people or have no beds. Joy of joy, doctors are already warning that this winter, IF there is a lot of flu about the A and E system may snap under the strain.

This for a phenomenal amount of tax on everything you earn, everything you buy.........

reply to post by AmberLeaf


He should fly to Britain.
Then refuse to leave - they would treat him and he would never have to pay.

reply to post by yorkshirelad


You pay 60 % tax plus in the UK - you pay

reply to post by HelenConway


60% tax?

you are misinformed or stupid.

Tax is free if you earn below £9,440 a year.
20% if you earn between £9,440 and £32,010,
and 40% if you earn between £32,010 - £150,000.

Where is the 60% from?

Boniouk06
reply to post by HelenConway

 

60% tax?

you are misinformed or stupid.

Tax is free if you earn below £9,440 a year.
20% if you earn between £9,440 and £32,010,
and 40% if you earn between £32,010 - £150,000.

Where is the 60% from?

Add 20% VAT Add council tax add national insurance and yes I pay 60% tax
Plus add 80% fuel tax/ duty

AmberLeaf
A pretty shocking video showing what the US is doing to many people.

How can this happen in a 1st world developed country??

This is mental, im sure he isnt the only person handed a death sentence with this insurance change.

Morning,

You are 100% correct...he ISN'T the only one being denied care.
THIS is the "hope and change" Barry is talking about.

"I HOPE you die after I CHANGE your healthcare options."

Yes, this is absolutely outrageous...but not as outrageous as the people who STILL support the ACA even though THESE are the only stories that seem to surface about the doomed plan.
The people were lied to and told they would get "free" healthcare and they BELIEVED IT!
But it's NOT free...never was...and THIS is price that's paid.
Young males are made to pay for women, the elderly and the infirmed...that's essentially how this scam works.
The insurance companies are in control and the current regime's latest plan to funnel the wealth from the 99% to the top 1% is almost in full swing.
The system was flawed from the start and now MOST people have lost or are just about to lose their coverage...currently somewhere in the neighborhood of 53 million cancellations right now and climbing.
The system is nearly impossible to use but it's still being pushed as the only alternative.
It software was developed by In-Q-Tel (venture capital arm of the CIA) and even openly admits that personal information WILL be given out to other corperate and poilitical entities without your knowledge. Nothing stored on their servers is secure and even they can't control who gets the info or how it will be used (against you).
Identity fraud is in full bloom even with such a small percentage of enrolled people.
The previous costs for the program is already over double what was projected and it's not even working.
Soon those costs will double again and I imagine will double one more time before the system even has a semblance of functionality...all at taxpayer expence.
Death Panels will now be permanantly etched into the public psyche and soon nobody will even question their validity when weighed against the notion of no healthcare at all.
Sebellius STILL hasn't been fired after such staggering levels of malfeasance that anyone who believes it's just an "unfortunate accident" is still asleep at the wheel.

The ACA (as I have demonstrated) is doomed.
It funnels wealth to the rich and information directly to the NSA.
It denies assistance where it deems fit (to the old or infirmed) and charges more for a lower quality of care.
It limits care options and allows the IRS carte blanche to confiscate money directly from the patient's accounts.
It's almost impossible to use and isn't even remotely secure or safe.
It's a partially collectivised system whose only purpose is to collapse and pave the way for a fully collectivised healthcare system. Greater government regulation only leads to MORE government regulation...but it's still being promoted as ONLY solution?
How can something like this be possible?
Simple.

"If an idea, plan, course of action or even object consistantly fails to meet it's stated mandate and is NOT changed, fixed or corrected by the establishment...then it is somehow fulfilling it's unstated mandate."

End-of-Story.

Obamacare is not meant to help the people...it's there to HARM them.
This is what happens when the people fall asleep at the wheel. They wake up after they hit a tree.
Canada already has a similar system in place and it has already claimed the lives of people I have cared about.
As bad as the ACA may seem at this exact moment...just keep reminding yourselves that unless it's struck down, "you ain't seen nuthin' yet".
My deepest sympathies to all effected by this and their families.

-Amitabha-

I've seen it happen in person. Scott & White is notorious in my area for letting old people die. Not exactly the same thing, but still related. It is the whole HMO thing. They know a person has some condition that will cost a lot to treat, and therefore they just don't do anything. I've even seen them not disclose a condition, apparently so they wouldn't have to do anything about it. I had an uncle who had cancer, and they screwed him around for a while, and basically just told him to go home and die. They weren't going to do anything.

Yet when he was taken to the cancer treatment center in Houston, they told him that his cancer was most likely treatable, but that so much time had passed that it had spread, and of course he died. And like I said, I've seen this with people I know multiple times, and I am only 27 years old. I do know a lot of old people though, lol.

The bottom line is that there needs to be STRICT rules for insurance companies and anyone else involved in the healthcare field. These abhorrent rates and all that need to stop. Yet people complain about Obamacare. I agree that it is not the best solution to the problem, but can someone show me any other president who has attempted to do SOMETHING to remedy the situation? How many European countries, and even countries in the Americas, have absolutely FREE healthcare, which is of a great quality? So why can't it be done in the US? It CAN. People have allowed the government to screw off TRILLIONS of dollars on meaningless overseas conflicts which only serve to make corporations more money, as well as prominent people in positions of power, while there are so many problems at home it is pitiful.

phantom150
reply to post by AmberLeaf

 

Fully agree with the OP.
The requirement for unaffordable insurance to pay grossly inflated bills vs dieing, is disgusting. Similar to the story a few months back when a good Samaritan saved a drowning boy and was then forced to cough up his hospital bill.

For genuine health problems ie Cancer, broken bones and doctors appointments treatment should be free.
Its happening all throughout Europe and Australia. Only elective surgery such as cosmetic is charged.
If I had a small cough right now, all I would need to do in Australia is go to my local doctors and show my medicare card and that would be that. No payments or requirements to be poor.

The first step is to trace the criminal profits of the insurance/pharmaceutical companies and invest /taxpayers/ money (your money that they have already taken from you) back into the system, as opposed to drop a $300 000 smart bomb on a $10 tent in the middle of a desert in a third world country who is no threat to you.

Perhaps there is a way around this. Would it be possible to take out health insurance from an insurance company in another country?

reply to post by alienreality


The left wanted a single payer option, such as extending Medicare to the entire population. It was obvious that the right would not let that happen, because it is socialism, and all politicians want to please their donors, so they signed off on the ACA, which was modeled after Republican Governor Romney's successful plan.

Isn't like 80% of the people signing up actually signing up for Medicare only? Who is actually signing up for health insurance they will pay for? Also, isn't the first level "silver" have like 1500 dollar deductible?

Repeat after me EVERYONE WILL HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE!!

sorgfelt

The left wanted a single payer option, such as extending Medicare to the entire population.

1. Who pays for it....
2. What doctor will take it....
3. What level of care would that actually provide....

yorkshirelad


Does anybody in the US ever look at the scandanavian countries? Their taxes are much higher but their quality of life and "happiness factor" is way above other countries.

The income tax may be slightly higher for average incomes, but the use taxes tend to be much lower.

When I lived in Scotland I was astonished how affordable things were compared to the US.

Car insurance - practically nothing
Vehicle registration - pennies
Zero sales tax on privately purchased car
Utility bills? - very affordable
coucil tax - factional compared to property taxes here
Yes VAT is about 3x ours, but if you keep your consumption down and do things at home you avoid most of it. And since VAT is factored into the price, merchants tend to keep their margins reasonable, plus tipping is less than 1/2 of the usual expectation here.

I worked it all out for the usual things I use and cost of living in Scotland (very similar to reports from my friends in Finland) was MUCH MUCH lower than living in the SE USA.

Oh plus far less poisonous food is allowed there.

8675309jenny

yorkshirelad


Does anybody in the US ever look at the scandanavian countries? Their taxes are much higher but their quality of life and "happiness factor" is way above other countries.

The income tax may be slightly higher for average incomes, but the use taxes tend to be much lower.

When I lived in Scotland I was astonished how affordable things were compared to the US.

Car insurance - practically nothing
Vehicle registration - pennies
Zero sales tax on privately purchased car
Utility bills? - very affordable
coucil tax - factional compared to property taxes here
Yes VAT is about 3x ours, but if you keep your consumption down and do things at home you avoid most of it. And since VAT is factored into the price, merchants tend to keep their margins reasonable, plus tipping is less than 1/2 of the usual expectation here.

I worked it all out for the usual things I use and cost of living in Scotland (very similar to reports from my friends in Finland) was MUCH MUCH lower than living in the SE USA.

Oh plus far less poisonous food is allowed there.

Really? You want to compare Scotland to America? We have cities with more population than all of Scotland. What people don't realize is this system does not scale equally with much larger countries.

Xtrozero

Really? You want to compare Scotland to America? We have cities with more population than all of Scotland. What people don't realize is this system does not scale equally with much larger countries.

Really. Yes REALLY.

Number one, I specified SouthEast USA, as I'm aware the midwest is a bit cheaper to live.

Two- Size has nothing to do with it. Do you think Monaco is affordable???

Three- You're wrong, the scaling actually should make it MORE AFFORDABLE. Never took economics?

It's more expensive to be rich in the UK, that's for sure, but it's much more affordable to be middle class or poor.

8675309jenny

Three- You're wrong, the scaling actually should make it MORE AFFORDABLE. Never took economics?

You are basing all this on the workforce scaling too, and that will not be the case. We will see here in the very near future where a socialized health care may work somewhat in a small country but bankrupts a large one.

It's more expensive to be rich in the UK, that's for sure, but it's much more affordable to be middle class or poor.

I would not go so far as to say the middle class/poor have a better quality of life in the UK than here. I am middle class and I have lived in Germany/France/UK/Japan...I'll stay right here.

BTW what is considered a typical living wage there? When you add in buying a house, owning 1 or 2 cars, meeting all your expenses and actually having a little more to enjoy life on?

reply to post by Pejeu


Yes. ACA is "left wing" legislation. We were not allowed to see the bill before it was passed (in the words of the Speaker of the House, a left wing stalwart). Our president refers to it in his public address as "Obamacare". Yes, you read that right. He affixed his name to the bill. He owns it. And he is "left wing".

But it was neither wing that wrote the bill. It was the insurance industry and their paid lobbyists that wrote the bill. Not because left or right wing matters, but because all wings like to get their bribes and kickbacks.

Do you know how many millions of dollars were spent lobbying for ACA? Have you ever thought justwhat, exactly, 70mil plus will buy in a lobbying effort? Just how much does it actually cost to go and talk to your representative? Is this why I have no voice in politics? Because money has been deemed to equal free speech?

And you actually will proclaim "points" for your political ideology? Both "wings" have rowed this boat to hell. Each taking their turn every election cycle raping the corpse of their constituents. Know why? Because there is always someone willing to stick up for them, solely because of ideology (not reality).