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AlienScience
beezzer
I wonder how the American Revolution would have gone if it were fought today.
"I'd help that Paul Revere guy out but didn't I see him at an OWS protest last year?"
"I'd fight with you, General Washington, but you're anti-abortion, so. . . sorry."
"Fight along side of Ben Franklin? Isn't he a Tea Partier?"
You don't think it wasn't like that?
LOL...those are some rose colored glasses you are wearing there.
I'm sorry, but I just have to laugh at the naivety of your post. Your big solution to changing the two party system is to "HONOR the Constitution"...tell me...exactly how does that eliminate the two party system?
beezzer
AlienScience
beezzer
I wonder how the American Revolution would have gone if it were fought today.
"I'd help that Paul Revere guy out but didn't I see him at an OWS protest last year?"
"I'd fight with you, General Washington, but you're anti-abortion, so. . . sorry."
"Fight along side of Ben Franklin? Isn't he a Tea Partier?"
You don't think it wasn't like that?
LOL...those are some rose colored glasses you are wearing there.
Sad. Defending the status quo must be onerous. And even IF people has differences of opinion, they came together. They ignored the petty differences and fought back.
So history tells a different tale than the one you're trying to spin.
I think he is right. "Honor the Constitution".
You simply can't choose the parts you like.
You are so quick to bash sincere ideas.
What would you do? Sounds like you are content to spread your butt-cheeks.
How about enlightening us with your Republic saving ideas.
It is empty rhetoric, it has absolutely no meaning behind it. What is he going to do to "honor" the Constitution...and how is that going to change anything? Will he try to push HIS opinion of what the Constitution is and stands for onto other people that disagree with him?
The Republic isn't dying...the demographics and ideology are shifting...and to some people they see that as "dying". The Republic will continue on...but it will continue on and evolve and progress...not stay stagnant and die.
AlienScience
reply to post by whyamIhere
Will you take a pledge to outright reject both parties until our Liberty is restored ?
Quite simply...no...no I will not.
And neither will anyone else. Sure, you have people in here claiming they will and that they have not been part of the "two party system" for a long time.
But the fact is that they are still as partisan as any Democrat or Republican and any political remarks they make either benefit or hurt the Democrats or Republicans. I don't care if they call themselves "Libertarian" or "Green Party" or "Independent"...whenever they state their opinion it doesn't benefit their third party or independent view...it only adds to the two party rhetoric.
The two party system exists because it is the natural state of the FPTP (first past the post/winner take all) election system. The reason we will not get out of the two party system is because most people don't even realize that this is the issue. They just think that they can change the two party system by trying to create a "third party"...and it just won't work. The only way to change the two party system is to change the FPTP election system to MMP (Mixed Member Proportional) or PR (Proportional Representation)...but not one single person in these threads are talking about them....in fact I would bet most of you "third party" advocates have just learned a few new phrases because you've never even heard of FPTP, MMP and PR. The fact that the people screaming the loudest for wanting to change the two party system are advocating a third party as a way to do this just shows how clueless they are and why we are no where near changing the two party system.
Here is the thing...the buzz around a "third party" is an essential part of the two party system. You aren't being a rebel, you aren't being an independent thinker, you are being a pawn as long as we have a FPTP system. Because the biggest supporters of the Libertarian party are the Democrats and the biggest supporters of the Green party are the Republicans...I'll leave it to you to figure out why.
That is why I will take no pledge. The game in town is the two party system...doesn't matter if you say you will "never vote for one of the two parties"...you are still an integral part of the two party system and are relied upon to think the way you do. So why be a pawn when you can be a knight and actually be part of the game?
seeker1963
reply to post by AlienScience
That is why I will take no pledge. The game in town is the two party system...doesn't matter if you say you will "never vote for one of the two parties"...you are still an integral part of the two party system and are relied upon to think the way you do. So why be a pawn when you can be a knight and actually be part of the game?
So in other words, you would rather continue to participate in a known corrupt system, rather than do something to change it, to where it would be fair to everyone whom participates???
I do this not because it will make a difference this election, but because it will make a difference eventually.
Are You Willing to be Non-Partisan ? What is Your Liberty Worth ?
What delicious irony; a thread about forsaking partisanship breaks down into fingerpointing and partisanship in 3 pages...
olaru12
reply to post by whyamIhere
Are You Willing to be Non-Partisan ? What is Your Liberty Worth ?
What delicious irony; a thread about forsaking partisanship breaks down into fingerpointing and partisanship in 3 pages..........
AlienScience
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee
I do this not because it will make a difference this election, but because it will make a difference eventually.
No, it really won't.
People like you have been saying this forever. The only people that think this just simply don't understand how FPTP works long term.
olaru12
reply to post by whyamIhere
Are You Willing to be Non-Partisan ? What is Your Liberty Worth ?
What delicious irony; a thread about forsaking partisanship breaks down into fingerpointing and partisanship in 3 pages..........
olaru12
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
I really don't think I deserved the snarky comments, but if you can dish them out I'm prepared to take them.
If I can't find amusement in American politics; I'm afraid I would break down and cry with the sorry state of affairs it has become.
So you aren't being partisan with this post? Sounds like it to me....Therein lies the irony I spoke about earlier.
edit on 9-11-2013 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)