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Obama Care will work but govm't needs a watchdog on them!

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posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 11:03 AM
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Obama care is not as bad as everyone thinks it is. Most is just hype brought up but the few who do not like it.

Obama care or a variant of it has worked for many many years in other countries such as Sweden for example. Sure Americans are not used to this kind of system but it works very well in other countries and has for a long time.
Like with anything new, it takes time to perfect it. Obama care is not going to work over night, a lot of people will get "hurt" by it before it will improve, that's how it is. And besides, if you were paying 1000 dollars per month for a private insurance and with Obama care it will go up to 1150 dollars per month because your making 75k a year, you need to get a new edumacation on how to handle your money.

Other than that yes, the govm't DOES need a watchdog. With all the monies disappearing into some govm't employees pockets all the time, a watchdog group needs to be founded that can look into govm't spending's and other "stuff" that needs keeping track off. Especially with Obama care, like for example the website where I believe it was Obama's wife's "friend" who started recently a company to accept the money to create a website for Obama care. And weird that they would only call him Michelle Obama's friend, why not the presidents as well? Anyway's things like this needs to be taken care of. I believe it was 65 million dollars to make the website. For that kind of money I could create the google website!

So,
1. I believe Obama care can work just takes time. Nothing work's over night.
2. A watchdog's checking over Govm't spending.




posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 11:15 AM
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Wrong, Obamacare is as bad as everyone said it is. It will never work because it's not meant to work, for the people that is. It is meant to take wealth from the middle class and put it in insurance companies pockets.

The law was written by health insurance companies, since the law has been implemented stock in those companies has risen an average of 30% across the board. What does that tell you?

I thought it was just socialized medicine in the past but I have realized that it is something much more sinister than that, it is an attempt to fleece the middle class for as much as can be taken and to further affect the ever increasing control of Americans lives through health care.

In the meantime, nearly everyone will see an increase in not only their monthly premium but many will end up with deductibles that render their entire insurance complete useless to them which makes perfect sense because the goal of Obamacare was never to lower the cost, it was to extort money from Americans it wasn't currently able to get money from through the individual mandate which starts at only 95.00 but sharpy increases on a yearly basis.

Most people will honestly pay all of their medical expenses for the year out of their own pocket because they will never reach their deductible ceiling thus making all the premium payments pure profit. I'd say it was a clever plan but it wasn't, it was sold through lies, product and numbers manipulation and on the back of broken promises.

It's the worst piece of legislation this country has seen since the private reserve act and It's only going to get worse.
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posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 11:19 AM
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So your answer to a bill that was written directly as a result of blatant corruption is to watch the people in charge so they don't do more corruption? How you cannot see that this bill has been tainted with corruption is beyond me. I agree, we need to crack down on corruption, but that means scrapping this bill too since it is a product of that corruption. You can't have both.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 11:47 AM
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I don't think you understand what Insurance is. Insurance is a business, a for profit business, that works thusly: Take in premium money, then work as hard as you can to deny payouts in order to make a profit. The mandate for insurance companies is to DENY claims, not pay them gleefully.

You are confusing a "pre-paid health plan" with insurance. A common mistake as most Americans have no idea that a "pre-paid health plan does not exist."

Insurance is a private product, a product that is required to make a profit, and in order to do that it needs to deny claims. It is an adversarial relationship. Most Americans fail to understand why one goes to the State and asks the State to pass a law mandating everyone buy their product: they do this in order to raise the price. I know people who have done this very thing, gone to get the city to make others buy there product and then raise prices. A mandated monopoly is the holy grail of business.

You know the "tax credits" are not "deductions" and will be revoked shortly right? You know you will still have to pay for the majority of your bills on your own, as most people spend well below the deductible on their yearly healthcare? You are aware that you still are not assured of health care coverage for your problem, or the care you want - you can only get approved of care now?

Seriously, if you are going to pimp for something like this, really think about the line you are going to take.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:02 PM
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Im from the u.k,all workers in the u.k will be automatically enrolled into a pension. Theft simple as. This is on top of 25% tax and national insurance. Then theres the 20percent v.a.t. (sales tax),council tax of over a 1000 pound a year. If all were direct taxation it would work out about 60 percent.
The goverment wants all your money for their cronies in the pharmacy share holders.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:19 PM
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. I believe Obama care can work just takes time. Nothing work's over night


I remember hearing all the fools saying that Obama just needs more time to "fix" everything bad that Bush did too,
unfortunately, Obama's method of fixing things was to completely transform America into a Marxist, communist nightmare, and we are already deep into experiencing the results of his "fixes".

I knew long before he was ever elected that this current state would be happening, but the magnitude of the damage he has done still shocks me...

Are you the type of person who denies anything bad is happening so you can continue to live in a dream world?

Obama care hilariously called the "affordable care act" has been found by the ENTIRE WORLD to be a total joke..

It is good to be optimistic in life, but what you are doing is a sign of complete mental breakdown..

I hope you can escape permanent damage from believing in fantasies..



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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It was never designed to work, and will harm the working people (producers) and reward a list of people (non-producers) but the bottom line is it will fail miserably for what it should do. Never has a socialist program funded by the private working class ever suceeded, and this one is no diferrent...



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:31 PM
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Yes I know exactly how ins. companies steal every cent we have and the govm't allows them to do this legally! But I dont think Obama care will work as an insurance company but will reform into a govm't insurance such as they have in Europe. Check the functionality of how European healthcare works. I know I lived there for many years and it works good.

Sure we paid a little more in taxes. Here we scream as soon as we have some minor changes done. It seams like this country is like an "old folk" that can not cope with change! Sometimes a little change can lead to something better, sometimes not but in this case seeing how healthcare works in Europe and how the govm't is trying to reform it here to European standards of operations, I believe it can work out in the end.

We need change. Look at us, we are so backwards we can be! Hell, we still use the English POS measuring system, hehe.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:39 PM
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linuxcore
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Yes I know exactly how ins. companies steal every cent we have and the govm't allows them to do this legally! But I dont think Obama care will work as an insurance company but will reform into a govm't insurance such as they have in Europe. Check the functionality of how European healthcare works. I know I lived there for many years and it works good.

Sure we paid a little more in taxes. Here we scream as soon as we have some minor changes done. It seams like this country is like an "old folk" that can not cope with change! Sometimes a little change can lead to something better, sometimes not but in this case seeing how healthcare works in Europe and how the govm't is trying to reform it here to European standards of operations, I believe it can work out in the end.

We need change. Look at us, we are so backwards we can be! Hell, we still use the English POS measuring system, hehe.


You're talking about a single payer system and while you can make arguments for why that system could work better than what we had before Obamacare and certainly now that we do, one of the things that is hard to argue is that the government who would have to regulate and run that system is incapable of doing it both efficiently and honestly.

Our federal government is almost irreparably broken and completely corrupt, they are not fit to be entrusted with something so important to hundreds of millions of Americans. When the federal government can operate within the law in it's own affairs and those it delegates to others, come back and let me know so we can discuss if we then should trust them enough to put them in control of our quality of life.
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posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:48 PM
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teslahowitzer
It was never designed to work


exactly. not a huge programmer guy here but they used Akemai for the UI while the processing was on non-scaleable hardware. It's like having a store all lit up for Christmas with nobody working there and a locked door. They never intended this to work. They wanted to get everyone hostage to this for politics and cash.
How does the song go? "you can check out anytime you like..but you can never leave"



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:54 PM
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ACA is only exclusive to the US, you got your information wrong, Sweden healthcare system is a centralized one where the government have all the power over it, the private health care system is totally independent from the government one and it has actually no power.

I am sorry but your knowledge of the ACA need to be reviewed.

I mean no harm just trying to help you understand that you made some mistakes in the OP personal opinion.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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Yes but what I was saying is that Obamacare 'is trying', WILL TRY to make it solely government controlled. Right now it is still under insurance company powers. At least that is where I see this thing moving.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 02:42 PM
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Helious
You're talking about a single payer system and while you can make arguments for why that system could work better than what we had before Obamacare and certainly now that we do, one of the things that is hard to argue is that the government who would have to regulate and run that system is incapable of doing it both efficiently and honestly.


Efficiently, honestly and reasonably priced.
Won't happen, can't happen.
No one could afford it in the US...mostly because NOTHING is being done to keep prices and corruption down.

No tort reform.
No reform of the way prices for medical procedures and drugs are handled.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 02:47 PM
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I imagine and only can speculate that you may be right as I am of the same believe that the ACA will be heading the way of the one single payer system after intensive legislation to fix the mess is now.

But while like your example in Sweden healthcare system that actually sound goods and is very well maintain, here in the US we have too much private interest running the show in Washington with their dirty money to make anything good that is not for profits sticks in the US

Sadly our capitalistic system is all for profits and nothing else.



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