US to lose vote at UNESCO, incurs debts

redoubt
reply to post by SuperFrog

 

US should withdraw from the UN... but, that ain't about to happen.

Care to say - why?

n00bUK
One day, people will realize that America doesn't give a # about any other country other than Israel. When that day happens, the sooner the better - We can start Vetoing everything Israel and America want, maybe things will change

When its constantly the same two countries sucking each others dicks (America/Israel) Then maybe them two countries need categorizing as the same country, which are not out for the better of humanity, but the segregation and inhumane living standards of millions of people.

Good, who says we have to give money to anything? To be honest with you, I'm sick of giving money to every foreign interest when we have enough problems here at home. You can whine and bitch all you want but it's OUR money. Who are you, not even living in the U.S., you complain what we do with OUR money?

reply to post by OptimusCrime


That's not how it went down. UNESCO is a world wide humanitarian organization which the US is a founding member. There when the rules were set up. The US got its ass in the air when the UN recognized Palestine and discontinued funding. They knew the rules, they helped make them. The US basically said, "If we can't have our way, screw the funding." The world said, "Fine. Bye-bye."

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BeliefInReality
reply to post by SuperFrog

 

Like I care if we cut off funding (notice the spelling btw) to UNESCO. I'm tired of America being at the forefront in supporting these "world causes" then getting disrespected. America's message is being heard loud and clear. You bite the hand that feeds you, we will put you down, both literally and figuratively. Let's see how well UNESCO does without its biggest contributor and let's see how long that replacement funding last.

"World causes" such as Montsanto, illegal drone strikes and the mess you still have yet to deal with in Bhopal. As far as I am concerned, you should be locked out of any and all world organisations. You, as a nation, have done more to destroy what is good about humanity than any other.

As for your "put you down" diatribe, you couldn't "put down" a fly, you can't afford the swat.

UK, France and Saudi Arabia are also big problems. UK and France were instigating an attack against syria just this past summer, and both UK and France lead the attack against libya. USA is not alone in all the evil.

As for saudi arabia well lets just say they want muslim brotherhood(religious fanatics) to take over the entire middle east. They are whabbi non-secularists lead by King Abdullah and that nation is the biggest oil producer in the world and has the biggest say in OPEC that keeps prices inflated over $100 per barrel.

UK, France and USA are in the same boat. To deny this is stupid!

Good let them go, let them rot! The U.S. isn't the world contrary to what plenty of Americans think. Selfish babies taking their bat and ball home.

Here is couple more articles about this issue.

BBC - US loses Unesco voting rights after failing to pay its dues

The Palestinian ambassador to Unesco, Elias Sanbar, said other countries were beginning to make up for the funding vacuum left by the US.

But he added: "Is this in the interest of the US, to be replaced?"

The US suspension comes amid attempts by Washington to broker peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.

The talks have hit a stumbling block in the last week over the continued Israeli expansion of Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.

U.S., Israel lose voting rights at UNESCO over Palestine row

The U.S. loss of voting rights comes as Washington tries to keep peace negotiations between Israel and Palestinians afloat.

Both parties have signalled poor progress in the talks, which were revived in July after a three-year hiatus but recently became stymied over Israeli plans to continue building Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has warned Israel that it could face a third Palestinian uprising if the talks fail.

The Palestinians have so far failed in their bid to become a full member of the U.N., but their UNESCO membership is seen as a potential first step towards U.N. recognition of statehood.

The United States has characterized UNESCO's move as a misguided attempt to bypass the two-decade old peace process. Washington says only a resumption of peace talks ending in a treaty with Israel can result in Palestinian statehood.

In short, we left because UNESCO recognized Palestine, and our only ally is Israel, the same country that is not willing to negotiate or stop building on occupied territory...

I am trying to imagine what will happen if Palestine joins World Health Organization or any other serious organization. Will we really isolate ourselves just to support Israel, and more important: Is Israel's well being more important then OUR own well being? (it always was puzzle to me that both presidential candidates during their debate have at least once to mention that they will fight for integrity of Israel while trying to get top position in states. Funny IMHO)

reply to post by SuperFrog


There is no hope of any long lasting peace until jerusalem becomes an independant nation. Jews, Christians and Muslims want it equally bad. I think this has always been the biggest roadblock.

Second I have never understood why everyone is so polarised over the israel-palestine label, except that some people support jews and some people support arabs. Its easier to say I support palestine than to say I support arabs. Its a race and religion issue.

As for John Kerry I hate his guts for a plethora of reasons!

well i always thought it would be better for the world if there was a Monroe doctrine inspired international treaty that declared non-interference between all nations, demanding any treaty or agreement made after would not be allowed to interfere with any nation's sovereignty or internal policies in any way and any such treaties or agreements made before would be tossed out.
really this is a step in the right direction regardless of why it happened or how much we lose due to it, UNESCO and the like are all tools to subjugate and control nations in the guise of peace and humanitarianism, we (the U.S) created many of them in an attempt to dominate the world when the world powers were weakened but over time rich globalist socialists have hijacked it all and bit by bit they continue to spread their influence and expand their control over the world. i say lets get out of all such organisations for the sake of ours and everyone else's national sovereignty.

EarthCitizen07
reply to post by SuperFrog

 

There is no hope of any long lasting peace until jerusalem becomes an independant nation. Jews, Christians and Muslims want it equally bad. I think this has always been the biggest roadblock.

Second I have never understood why everyone is so polarised over the israel-palestine label, except that some people support jews and some people support arabs. Its easier to say I support palestine than to say I support arabs. Its a race and religion issue.

As for John Kerry I hate his guts for a plethora of reasons!

i totally disagree with you saying its a race and religon issue...
i would imagine that people support palestine because they are being crapped on, stomped on, etc. by israel. israel is illegally building houses on palestinian land. People support palestine because they are the little man being bullied. Leave their land alone. End the blockades.
i reckon race and religon has very little to do with people's opinions

reply to post by SecretKnowledge


I recall reading somewhere that former President George Washington was particularly explicit about his fear of what I think he called "foreign entanglements." There was little ambiguity in the way he presented it. Giving any state a 'preferential' treatment is a key opportunity for misfortune.

However, I also know that President after President have repeatedly pledged our nation to the defense and prosperity of Israel. This is not a commitment that we can just blow off as casual diplomacy. The reasons behind, or circumstances surrounding the fact are the stuff of conspiratorial legend; but it is nevertheless moot. We will not stand idle should Israel face peril; and will apparently defer to their prosperity, even over our own.

But somehow, it seems odd that such a great cost, so much pain and terror, and death...

I'm sorry, what was the question?

reply to post by SecretKnowledge


I will be blunt with you, dont arabs control enough land in the middle east without wanting a piece of greater israel as well? Look at it this way rather than from a legal perspective and you feel good about yourself when you go to sleep.

Yes I do support israel, but not enough to allow them to USE usa as a pawn to establish their goals. Israel should have accomplished their borders back during the seven day conflict rather than give in to the traiterous UN demands. The arab nations attacked israel and they had the perfect excuse. Now they are paying the price of indecision.

Do you feel sorry for the native americans as well? The kurds? The basques?

I personally got over the underdog mentality as I was growing up. Its like voting and cheering for Obama because of his skin color, but neglecting all his bad qualities and lack of leadership.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

i'll tell you what it is with me, im Irish

that right there will explain my feelings......

SecretKnowledge
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

i'll tell you what it is with me, im Irish

that right there will explain my feelings......

Well I am glad you guys won your independence from the united kingdom. I think you deserve northern ireland as well. British had plenty of colonies and didn't need ireland as well. I like ireland and especially its golf courses. Haven't been there yet, but hopefully some day I will visit.

Cheers and no hard feelings. Do they use "cheers" there or another word?

SecretKnowledge
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

i'll tell you what it is with me, im Irish

that right there will explain my feelings......

Let me guess IRA family members right? the IRA was a terrorist organization by all definitions of the word. Sure the british government could had handled it differently but they did not. How is that one seat in parliament working out for the IRA by the way?

The original 52 countries of the UN need to form a new organization. The current UN is stacked full of countries who we would not consider western valued countries. Maybe its time for a federation style of countriesfor the US and its allies. Australia will be a great replacement for saudi arabia for oil along with canada. Sauidi arabia depends on food the US grows and its ability to upkeep its drilling equipment. Let them eat sand and fix their own rigs.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Cheers when your greeting, slainte (irish word) when your drinking.
You should definitely visit, Ireland is beautiful
And of course, no hard feelings at all

reply to post by yuppa

How is that one seat in parliament working out for the IRA by the way?

You meant to say 13 seats there did'nt you?

Sinn Fein seats

The IRA was an army fighting against the oppressive crown forces, a british government who gave information to loyalist terrorist groups who would go and slaughter innocent catholics. So dont even go there with me, im not getting into any debate with a clueless american/brit on this

SecretKnowledge
reply to post by yuppa

 

How is that one seat in parliament working out for the IRA by the way?

You meant to say 13 seats there did'nt you?

Sinn Fein seats

The IRA was an army fighting against the oppressive crown forces, a british government who gave information to loyalist terrorist groups who would go and slaughter innocent catholics. So dont even go there with me, im not getting into any debate with a clueless american/brit on this

edit on 8/11/13 by SecretKnowledge because: (no reason given)

How about using the entire quote next time? Cherry picking so you do not have to explain the role the IRA had in the conflict. BOTH SIDES committed wrongs to be totally honest. ANd whoops last i checked it was One seat. Still 13 seats for all that trouble,mayhem,bombing,shooting,smuggling. And they were terrorist. they terrorized innocent civilians didnt they? Both sides were acting that way. Way to deny ignorance my friend,by not participating in a discussion with someone with a alternate view.

EarthCitizen07
reply to post by SecretKnowledge

 

I will be blunt with you, dont arabs control enough land in the middle east without wanting a piece of greater israel as well? Look at it this way rather than from a legal perspective and you feel good about yourself when you go to sleep.

Yes I do support israel, but not enough to allow them to USE usa as a pawn to establish their goals. Israel should have accomplished their borders back during the seven day conflict rather than give in to the traiterous UN demands. The arab nations attacked israel and they had the perfect excuse. Now they are paying the price of indecision.

Do you feel sorry for the native americans as well? The kurds? The basques?

I personally got over the underdog mentality as I was growing up. Its like voting and cheering for Obama because of his skin color, but neglecting all his bad qualities and lack of leadership.

It is clear that you are missing basic knowledge of near east and Arab world and rest of the world.

dont arabs control enough land

What are you trying to say?

yuppa

SecretKnowledge
reply to post by yuppa

 

How is that one seat in parliament working out for the IRA by the way?

You meant to say 13 seats there did'nt you?

Sinn Fein seats

The IRA was an army fighting against the oppressive crown forces, a british government who gave information to loyalist terrorist groups who would go and slaughter innocent catholics. So dont even go there with me, im not getting into any debate with a clueless american/brit on this

edit on 8/11/13 by SecretKnowledge because: (no reason given)

How about using the entire quote next time? Cherry picking so you do not have to explain the role the IRA had in the conflict. BOTH SIDES committed wrongs to be totally honest. ANd whoops last i checked it was One seat. Still 13 seats for all that trouble,mayhem,bombing,shooting,smuggling. And they were terrorist. they terrorized innocent civilians didnt they? Both sides were acting that way. Way to deny ignorance my friend,by not participating in a discussion with someone with a alternate view.

edit on 13upppm by yuppa because: Clarification

Every single comment you make about the IRA, i make about the uda/uvf/uff etc. and the british government. So you dont cherry pick facts and stats. Both sides bombed, shot, smuggled. Both sides killed innocent civilians, children and all. The prods were also terrorists, the british government legal terrorists.
The catholic people had no one to protect them, the government was colluding with loyalist hit squads through a corrupt prodestant police force.
There are horror stories on both sides, there always is with conflict. But the thing is, a government, a western government that holds itself up to be world "leader" a member of the G8, was just as implicit as anyone in that conflict.

reply to post by SuperFrog


I am not missing any knowledge at all about israel/palestine. I have heard arguements from both palestinians and israelis, arabs and jews. Both groups are religiously motivated and both prefer to have that area for themselves.

That area used to be called judea before it was called palestine. Judaism is the oldest abrahamic religion of the three major abrahamic religions(judaism, christianity, islam). The romans dispersed the jews into diaspora, and fifty years ago they came back to reclaim their land. Sure they displaced a lot of arabs in the process and some christians.

Its a complex situation and no side is in the clear. Its just that there are a multitude of arab republics in the middle east, about 95% of the total land mass, to zero jewish republics. The jews deserve a homeland and I am entitled to my opinion. Maybe the wealthy oil tycoons could put their money where there mouth is and help their fellow palestinians rather than urging hamas to cause trouble.