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reply to post by WarminIndy
As I post the Hadiths about Aisha, can you give a psychological profile for those people who might not understand her actions?
Well, I can attempt it, but honestly, I am NOT 'culturally competent' to explain the thought process of a child-bride (rape victim) nomad attached to a wandering tribe of warriors in the 7th century Middle Eastern desert. Not really.
But, as far as having to lie like a dead person, yes that definitely indicates fear/submission/oppression.
As for what she was thinking? Yes, she was aware of the rules and customs, but I'm not getting what you're driving at as far as her knowing that....while she was lying there. That he would kill her if she was animated while he was praying?
That is a horrible way to have to live. I don't know ANYTHING about Aisha except what I've heard here on ATS; she was a child....that much I know.
He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened.
reply to post by babloyi
Can we get back to the topic - how to 'cleanse' Islam of its rabid clergy who encourage violence?
I want just as much to 'cleanse' Christianity of 'Westboro', and people who walk into churches to murder physicians, and who call for bombing Iran.
I want to get rid of ALL OF THEM. They are tumors on civilization, and must be routed out.
The contrived animosity that is going on now is astounding.
13-8.17 Those fighting for Allah: The seventh category is “those fighting for Allah”, meaning, people engaged in Islamic military operations for whom no salary has been allotted in the army roster, such people being volunteers for jihad without remuneration. Such volunteers are given enough to suffice them for the operation, even if they are affluent having weapons, mounts, clothing, and expenses for the duration of the journey, round trip, and the time they spend there, even if prolonged. Although nothing has been mentioned here of the expense involved in supporting such people's families during this period, it seems clear that they should also be given the obligatory charity
It would take a change coming from the inside. A change of the laws. A change of attitude. All from the INSIDE. Their own have to wake up and push their own rabid clergy to the trash can.
Sorry. Not what you want to hear. But you asked ... and that's my opinion.
reply to post by WarminIndy
Was the Vietnam war a political war, an ideological war - or a religious war?
How about Afghanistan? How about Iraq?
It's funny. Those people (yourself included) who constantly remind us that Islam has declared war on the West can only see the world from this one perspective. They think it honorable and useful to quarrel or bully people in the name of - of what? Justice? To protect our freedom?
To save the world?
Somehow, you (rather arrogantly) assume that others (myself included) somehow just don't see or fully appreciate the threat
Ignorance - it cut's both ways - doesn't it?
You're polite enough Ms. Indy - I'll give you that. But, you should realize a lost cause when you're looking at it - we see the world very differently you and I
BTW, I would have to defend an apostate's human right to live, even if that apostate became atheist. Can I hear the same thing from your side? Do you defend the apostate's right to life?
Shihabudeen Abi Al Abbas Ahmad ibn Lu'lu' Ibn Naqib Al-Misri (Famous name) Islamic Supreme Judge Died 769h-1368 A Classical Handbook of Islamic Daily Jurisprudence Practices According to Imam Shafi (204h) To Students, Teachers, Imams, Habeebs and Judges Translated with annotations by Syekh Noah Ha Mim Keller (1991) English Simplified and reorganized by Syekh Ahmad Darwish Arabic name: The Reliance of the Traveler and Preparation of the Worshipper (Ibn an-Naqib al Misri ) Printed by Mustafa babi halabi of Azhar, Cairo in 1357h-1939
reply to post by WarminIndy
I'm sorry, but you seem to think that Islamic Jurisprudence, as a whole, is defined, outlined and delineated in that one book you keep harping on about.
That simply is not so.
Do not help anyone in disobedience to Allaah... Imaam al-Barbahaaree (rahima-hullaah) mentions: ((From the Sunnah is that you do not help anyone in disobedience to Allaah, whether they be parents or any of the creation. There is no obedience to a human in disobedience to Allaah and no one is to be loved for that (i.e. disobedience to Allaah). Rather, all of that is to be hated for (the sake of) Allaah, the Blessed and Most High)). Sharhus-Sunnah - Imaam al-Barbahaaree
I war against those who reject the hadeeth... al-Humaydee, the Shaykh of al-Bukhaaree said: ((By Allaah, that I war against those who reject the hadeeth of the Messenger (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) is more beloved to me than that I should war against the same number of Non-Muslims)). al-Harawee in Dhamm al-Kalaam
The jihaad with decisive proofs... Ibn al-Qayyim said: ((The jihaad with decisive proofs [from the Book and the Sunnah] and the tongue takes precedence over the jihaad with the sword and the spear)). al-Jawaab as-Saheeh of Ibn Taymiyyah (1/237)
Muslim law is known as Shari'a and the Fiqh is the process of creating laws
In Islam, jurisprudence in Muslim Law, Sharia. The original meaning of the word is "understanding" or "knowledge." Fiqh was the way of creating a law system in accordance with the principles of Islam as based on the central religious scripture, the Koran, and the stories told about the Muhammad (sw) and the first Muslims. The need for systemized and verified information of the latter, motivated the development of the hadiths. The developments of the hadiths and of fiqh, thereby Sharia, were largely parallel.
Places where they may not prayAs you can see, these are anti-Jewish
14.4.14 Places in which it is offensive
to pray: It is offensive to pray:
1. in a bathhouse or its outer room
where clothes are removed;
2. in the middle of a path; 3. at a rubbish dump;
4. at a slaughterhouse;
5. in a church;
6. in places where taxes (dis: 10.32)
are gathered or taken;
7. in places likely to be contaminated by wine;
8. on top of the Ka’ba;
9. or towards a tomb(dis:w-21).
and anti-Christian. But I have to ask,
how does one decide to pray on top
of the Ka'aba? But the reason this is
anti-Jewish is that they mention
slaughterhouses, because Jewish rabbis bless the slaughtered animal
before slaughter and to keep it
kosher, only one man has been
approved as the official slaughterer.
The rabbi in blessing the animal
basically gives thanks for the animal provided for food. But you may not pray in a graveyard
or have a religious service for a
reply to post by logical7
A great example of deflecting the blame onto Indy for her 'half-knowledge' when it sits squarely with the leadership/clerics teaching VIOLENCE to their Muslim adherents.
Why did you not address the articles? Or pronounce the sites as "illegitimate"?
I thought you'd do better than that, logical7.edit on 11/13/13 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)
I am also not here to please you or anyone for that matter nor to live up to your "expectations".