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reply to post by BeaverTail
In my quotes, I was kind enough to use the different translations, all of them. If you look, you would see that.
I could just post the transliterations also. But you seem to be quasi-Islamic, are you leaning in that direction? And I did say that not all Muslims believe the Hadiths, and yet every Muslim source says the Qu'ran is based on the Hadiths. That is something they can't get around. And if we are to reject the Hadiths, then the Sunna should be as well, but Muslims still read the Sunna.
As I would comply with your request normally, if this were your thread, then I would gladly not mention them, but this OP wildtimes would prefer that I use it as a source as she is very interested in all references of sources. So for the sake of the OP, I must include them. I hope that is fair for you.
Which particular translation did you quote from? I used all of them. And those translations have been approved within Islam, by Islamic scholars, so we have to trust they know what they are doing.
reply to post by WarminIndy
I was always blown away by the clarity of Asteroid impact events in the Book of Revelations.
For him to describe them like that something extraordinary happened to him.
I wasn't directly referring to the star code in Revelations 20 before it describes the great war. Have you read about what date it was decoded to, or near??
Its a shame if it is....That would be the icing on the cake... The straw that....
When I was young, I met a man from Lebanon that fled(refugee) in one of the old Lebanese-Isreali Wars.
He was just sitting there being old talking about gardening and figs. When the other gentlemen left the room it was him and myself sitting there and he turns to me out of the blue and says "Jesus came for the whole World...The Jews and the Muslims". When he said it I was kinda taken back and turned my head like a curious dog. He said he wrote a book in his native language that was lost in the war.
I guess he wanted to pass on some kind of Sacred knowledge to a younger generation. I agreed with him before the gentlemen made it back into the room and that was it.
The other gentlemen were just other maintenance workers at the condominium complex we worked at and he was a resident visiting our shop.
The experience really got me thinking about things beyond other life experiences.
Prohibition of idolatry: You shall not have any idols or false deities.
Prohibition of blasphemy: You shall not curse the name of YHWH.
Prohibition of murder: You shall not murder. (Genesis 9:6)
Prohibition of theft: You shall not steal.
Prohibition of adultery: You shall not commit adultery.
Prohibition of cruelty towards animals: Do not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive. (Genesis 9:4, as interpreted in the Talmud (Sanhedrin 59a))
Requirement to have just laws: Set up a governing body of justice (e.g. courts)
42 Negative Confessions (Papyrus of Ani)
I have not committed sin.
I have not committed robbery with violence.
I have not stolen.
I have not slain men and women.
I have not stolen grain.
I have not purloined offerings.
I have not stolen the property of the god.
I have not uttered lies.
I have not carried away food.
I have not uttered curses.
I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men.
I have made none to weep.
I have not eaten the heart [i.e, I have not grieved uselessly, or felt remorse].
I have not attacked any man.
I am not a man of deceit.
I have not stolen cultivated land.
I have not been an eavesdropper.
I have slandered [no man].
I have not been angry without just cause.
I have not debauched the wife of any man.
I have not debauched the wife of [any] man. (repeats the previous affirmation but addressed to a different god).
I have not polluted myself.
I have terrorised none.
I have not transgressed [the Law].
I have not been wroth.
I have not shut my ears to the words of truth.
I have not blasphemed.
I am not a man of violence.
I am not a stirrer up of strife (or a disturber of the peace).
I have not acted (or judged) with undue haste.
I have not pried into matters.
I have not multiplied my words in speaking.
I have wronged none, I have done no evil.
I have not worked witchcraft against the King (or blasphemed against the King).
I have never stopped [the flow of] water.
I have never raised my voice (spoken arrogantly, or in anger).
I have not cursed (or blasphemed) God.
I have not acted with evil rage.
I have not stolen the bread of the gods.
I have not carried away the khenfu cakes from the spirits of the dead.
I have not snatched away the bread of the child, nor treated with contempt the god of my city.
I have not slain the cattle belonging to the god.
reply to post by WarminIndy
Well, that may be, I don't know it all that well. But some Muslims claim it was. They say they are the "real" Muslims and that others don't understand it, and that the "fake Muslim" clergy is exploiting that ignorance/misunderstanding.
What you have just presented is indeed from one side of Muslims claiming another side is not Muslim, that's what they mean by "fake" Muslims. It gets down to Sunni vs. Shi'ite.
There are Muslims who are Quran only and there are Muslims who believe the Hadiths. If you really want to hear a tragic story, read the Hadiths, it talks about Aisha's feelings about being sexually abused from Mohammed. And she had very clear doubts about Mohammed and Allah.
Are you referring to the 10 Commandments or the 635 Laws of Moses that include kosher diets? The last time I looked, there weren't any Jews forcing kosher onto the rest of us.
Having read much about Sharia and Islam, not only from the Qu'ran, the Hadiths, the Sunna and speaking with many Muslims, I can only arrive at the conclusion that Sharia is not Mosaic and does not depend upon the 10 commandments.
Would you prefer to have an halal diet under Sharia? Would you prefer that you may not drink alcohol, under Sharia?
But all Fatwas are Sharia based, the Sharia is Qu'ranic based. This is what they acknowledge.
If you don't mind, I have downloaded a copy of Sharia law, called Ftiq, it is jurisprudence of Islamic law and will use that to quote from on my posts. People don't want to do this, but it is necessary to know what they are thinking.
Christians Stoned in Dearborn
On American soil. So what is it about Sharia that you are having trouble understanding? Sharia is not about nationalism, it it not about respecting the laws of the land of the country they are in.
And here is another case in Pennsylvania of Sharia being enforced by a Muslim judge disregarding American law...
@op.... Not quite sure what this thread is supposed to be about. You quote an article about shariah and then make references to terrorism and suicide vests,like as if shariah instructs muslims to blow themselves up. Connecting ''shariah'' with terroriam is as absurd as connecting ''democracy'' with bombings and invasions just because America, a democracy is guilty of it.
If you ask a muslim "Do you follow/believe/support Sharia?", they will undoubtedly say "Yes". This isn't some exposé of insidiousness of muslims. It'd be EXACTLY the same as if you asked a Christian "Do you accept Christian morals?" or a Jew "Do you accept Jewish morals/Halakha?".
Yes, babloyi. Please don't become defensive. I TOTALLY understand the varieties of ways in which people "act out" their beliefs, WHAT I'M DIGGING TO FIND IS HOW they ARRIVED at those beliefs.
Can you show me a source the indicates the article in the OP is false? I would greatly appreciate being "disabused" of my negative impression. Truly. I know what Phelps' problem was - runaway Calvinism. Therefore, I think "Calvinism" is a dangerous platform. So - what is the Muslim equivalent of Calvinism, and from where/whom is it taught?
I usually try my best to bring balance to such threads. I don't think I attributed any specific negative intent of yours in this thread, but a thread is a form of discussion with many participants, and sometimes participants overly generalise or alienate or "otherise" entire groups (and sometimes they simply partake in flat-out hate-mongering).
Mohammad is prophesied in Isaiah 42,
I hope you understand my objective here; and would sincerely like your reaction to the article itself.
This is how I find balance - by checking, cross-checking, fact-checking, myth-checking, source-checking...
Btw, are you in America? For some reason I thought you were somewhere in the UK or Ireland.
LOL, I know it was just a general comment. I wondered just now when re-reading your thread about The Sharia Conspiracy. I got the impression in that one that you were in the US, not just referencing it; sorry.