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Vatican ban on Medjugorje public appearances in USA raises brows

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posted on Nov, 9 2013 @ 12:01 PM
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I suppose the seers have confided much more to the Vats. in order to get approved. Pedro Regis does not speak anymore of the 5 secrets that had to be released to a bishop, cardinal or pope 8 days before they happen. Perhaps he already told the Vats the full content. Medjugorjans still maintain they have never said anything even to popes, but let me doubt. If the price is approval, may be somethign has been permitted to be told. And if that something has anything to do with the space theology, those people will go crazy. Not that they reject the possibility, NO!

Fr Funes speaks exactly that! Pls refer to my other threads on the subject. In fact the Cath church is the most open for that. BUT there is one big IF, and that IF is the power grab. Can they maintain their power over there, would be their first and last concern. Otherwise until now Fr Funes would not speak of vague terms of "millions of stars but would name concrete stars and show images of contact. Let go back to tom Horn who said the same jesuits in NM while hunting planets were stopped working by passing by UFOs in the telescope viewers. So, nothing personal against the honorable work of jesuits and their pope! If they are not afraid they would not be so secret. BTW I expected by now not only that disclosure but a more massive efforts to explain the people that is not the devil.

Instead of that we were tried to be spiritually killed by Medjugorje case. because it was the spiritual food for decades for many. Not the pointless homilies. It was the worst spiritual shot since the death of JP2. Even if approved in 2014 it will be too late. We live today. Perhaps between now and 2014 spring there is a major event to happen. Perhaps Ivan is willing to say more to the people? So he is stopped? I doubt anyone could stop Virgin Mary to say what She wills to the people who want to hear it! SHe is not subject to Vat commission. Neither Jesus is! This is not found in the Gospel. jesus didn't tel Peter, and you will check everyone whom I will speak to, to see if Satan doesn't speak to him instead. Jesus himself appeared to the apostles. The problem is the Vats are nowhere near to the apostles.

In all, if they didn't make the public gaffe of trying to prevent public meetings, they would do fine until now. But they did it. Actualy Ivan could release a message without a meeting, on internet. As so many other seers do. At one moment the messages will become dangerous, when they will start talking about angels et and spaceship rapture. Nobody can prevent that happen. Not even satan. It is still not the 3.5 y final reign. What a pity we don't talk with those same people of ET civs to be baptized, but we talk how one should not act in the new era. Those people would never make it, except in satan controlled space.
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posted on Nov, 9 2013 @ 12:26 PM
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Why did they stop Ivan who doesnt release messages, and not Mirjana and Marija who do?
Perhaps Ivan has told them of a coming event that he would announce, and they were frightened to death. Otherwise they would have forbidden Mirjana in first place not Ivan. I don't know, but it is logical to assume they know of Ivan's plans and want to stop them.
Well people are not idiots anymore. At the time when PRAVDA.ru speaks of spaceships to land on the red square in 2050 (understand now) one cannot hide the truth in medieval claws. The only loser is the one who tries so. I still believe Francis will correct it ASAP. Even tomorrow. he can't stop an apparition! Mary will appear to another one if not to Ivan. If Maria Divine Mersy says it, the same people will read it. I don't get it from her, but anyway the effect will be the same EVEN if she or John leary says it. Dont they understand they cant stop the spirit moving?



posted on Nov, 9 2013 @ 12:40 PM
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Vicka said several years ago that ONE of the seers (or another person) will be chosen by Our Lady to stay on Earth during the secrets. (So the others wont be on earth but outside earth?). Saying that Vicka broke yet another taboo that the apparitions would cease at the 3rd secret. I will not comment in length.

Itis quite possible Ivan to be that person. If the Vat singles out him as the biggest danger. Besides all the rest said.

Or he is going to release important immediate info such as Ison etc and they want to stop it.

Well they wills top the electricity in USA anyway so the Americans won't understand. Why that fear? There is why they fear and we will know soon. Not me and not in that forum, but keep in touch with the main apparition sites even if they are unapproved and sound paranoid. One of them will say it. But not earlier than 3 days before. Actually the options are several. I just don't understand why the Vat takes the other side. They could be on this side.



posted on Nov, 9 2013 @ 01:06 PM
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Ivan can speak in parishes, the latest from jesuit secretary of
www.medjugorje.com...
But it is perfectly okay to believe in these apparitions and attend them in parishes. For example, a host church can say Ivan’s apparition will be at 5:40 p.m. To comply with the Most Reverend Gerhard Ludwig Mueller’s letter to the USCCB Conference, you simply add to the invitation or announcement of the apparition time, ‘These apparitions have not been approved formally by the Church..."

“The letter, informing all U.S. bishops, never states the cancellation of a Medjugorje visionary’s visit, such as Ivan’s schedule. It states Ivan is scheduled to appear at certain parishes around the country. Archbishop Carlo Marie Vigano continues, ‘It is anticipated, moreover, that Mr. Dragicevic will be receiving “apparitions” during these scheduled appearances.’ It never states cancelling or banning Ivan’s visits..."


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soooo, Vatican can speak differently when pushed back! Congratulations! May be you got the right side, finally! In the ships there is still place for you, it depends on you



posted on Nov, 9 2013 @ 11:50 PM
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Seems to me Rome saved face this time, although in the last moment.
The new letter however is not posted widely on internet, only on the source above.

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posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 02:44 AM
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Although the "explanations" of the nuntion and his secretary jesuit seem to save face, with printed date November 7 (is it the real date), that seems not enough to clear the damage. At least an APOLOGY on the side of the inquisitor shoud have been made.

Here we read about the initial letter www.medjugorjetoday.tv...

"The ban further extends to conferences, meetings and other public celebrations, and for the first time imposes restrictions upon Catholic laityity, not only the clergy.
From the head of the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, via the papal nuncio to the United States, on October 21 this message was sent to the General Secretary of the United States Conference for Catholic Bishops, for distribution among the Bishops throughout the country.
No longer in the United States: Ivan Dragicevic on November 17th 2011, during his apparition in St. Stephan's Cathedral in Vienna, Austria where he was invited by Cardinal Christoph Schönborn
No longer in the United States: Ivan Dragicevic on November 17th 2011, during his apparition in St. Stephan’s Cathedral in Vienna, Austria, invited by Cardinal Christoph Schönborn
The instruction got the immediate effect that visionary Ivan Dragicevic’s scheduled appearances on October 26 in Danvers, MA, and on October 27 in Greenville, RI, were cancelled shortly before they were to take place.
In his letter of instructions, US papal nuncio (‘ambassador’) Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano tells the organization of Catholic Bishops that he is acting at the request of Archbishop Gerhard Müller, the Prefect of the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), called “His Excellency” "

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If they dared to attack laity, the laity should demand at least apology at minimum. If not outright resignation of the person who attacked them. (Seems Vatican is nowhere near of such drastic changes, as promised before the conclave).

I am not Ivan. Today it is Ivan. Tomorrow it will be someone else. Mirjana, Marija, Pedro Regis or Maria Divine Mercy. I don't know if they see Our Lady, Jesus or whatever they say they see.

What I know the attack from Vatican's inquisition is UNACCEPTABLE in 21st century. Because tomorrow their outdated medieval rulings will affect YOU as well. On another topic. The Vatican must apologize to the people in first place. To the millions who believe Medjugorje and who were hurt as never before in 32 years. No matter if Medjugorje is true as apparition or not.
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posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 02:58 AM
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As we see the dates on the initial letter, of late October, there was quite a long time before the letter made it to the media. There WERE banned meetings in USA. The order WAS PUT IN ACTION. Before the media to enter the scene.

After such a big scandal there is no way the things to remain "business as usual". I will not repeat paragraphs already posted (scroll back pls). It seems to me absolutely irrelevant if the Vatican continue dealing with the same personages and commissions. It is they who decide their own people and structures. The case is enough flammable to torpedo Francis' reforms within the core of most devote believers. It shows inquisition office vs bishops, priests, and LAITY in a highly emotional case that is Medjugorje. How would the flock believe tomorrow anything issued by those same people on top, regarding faith and moral? And there is quite a big controversy especially about the moral inside the catholic societies in the West.

There were dozen or hundreds apparitions that were either banned, stopped or silenced one way or another, during popes JP2 (Ratzinger being the inquisitor). I don't remember what was the situation during Benedict's 8 years. It is a time to say it loudly, that the church's offices cannot stand above Jesus and Mary. If someone believes it, let it be so. If someone doesn't let he doesn't believe. As Fatima. It is not a dogma, despite it was "approved" and then quite a bit changed and faked. Fatima failed for a big date "before the end of century" in Neues Europa text that never was officially accepted. Despite it was promoted by cardinals and paradoxically spoken of JP2 himself in Fulda before bishops. So much of "approved" apparitions. Sister Agnes Sasagawa was silenced worse than Lucia. It is a time to say the church(es) cannot rule on matters of heaven when jesus and Mary speak to earth. One thing is to say, this apparition doesn't fit the teaching. Another thing is to issue an executive order and to ban people from prayer meetings. Here is no more spiritual power of teaching or whatever formula used. Here is a physical attack and infringement on people's free movement and meetings. We are not in martial law imposed by the great inquisitor of the past. Not yet. The more it is prolonged the worse it will become.


If the inquisitor dfoesn't want to take responsibility and to resign, the responsibility ultimately goes up to Francis himself. He will bear the consequences of that. Let remember there are a number of apparitions that do not accept as legit the popes Benedict and Francis. Some of them do not accept only Francis. SO be careful where you go with Medjugorje and other bans. May be tomorrow Jesus will ban someone not from entering office but from moral authority. Act now and clear the scene of ecclesiastical masons. Enough of them during John Paul 1 short reign.
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posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 03:29 AM
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Right now as we speak, besides Medjugorje the second most popular apparition is that of Maria Divine Mercy, or also known as The Warning Second Coming. I don't know and cannot take position whether or not it is true. I passed thru quite hard time discerning it for myself, and I didn't reach a conclusion yet. Why I am writing that? Because Maria DM messages allegedly from Jesus say this pope is illigitimate (whatever the exact wording). The apparition took quite a large popularity second only to Medjugorje partly because of other older apparitions who either ceased by the deaths of the seers or became irrelevant at one point speaking only of pray and love.

What frightens me that SOME of the signs of end times pointed by MDM are happening today. Political and not only. One of the issues discussed was the religious persecution of apparitions.

If Medjugorje is persecuted or even silenced, whatever the naming of it, whatever the decree or the personage signed it, the people will switch on another internet page to the only other apparition that gives daily updates and that is MDM. Not that means it is true, but this is what many people do. Including myself. Because one needs to have a source allegedly from heaven to check the reality today. When one source is closed another fills the vacuum. Even if not true itself. I'd prefer not MDM but other apparitions to be stronger. But they are not, unfortunately. Vatican made everything possible to make them looking irrelevant, stupid, outdated, coming from old men and women, absurd. Then in those cases vatican didn't bother to forbid them. It is only in the cases of highly popular apparitions such as Bayside NY in the past when the Vatican (or thru the local bishop) bothered to ban them. Because those people on hi care for popularity too.

As I said already, the euphoria of new papal election came and passed. What we see offered is not good. What shall we see next then? Is it possible predictions as those of MDM and others of apocalyptic character to prove right? And if not, then why do we see exactly those signs of end times demonstrated in broad daylight by people who are supposed to act in the opposite way? In a Democratic West with the absence of the Cold War and the communist nuclear fear, in a reformist spirit of the church started by JP2, what we see today is not what we ought to see. A push backward in history.

I don't want to see MDM to prove right in the real life. But I will have no choice than to read her and compare it to the real world events to check if it is true, in case Medjugorje runs irrelevant. And that is a question to the Medjugorje seers as well. They seem less and less relevant compared to their first years' messages. Do they follow some silent orders from Vatican when edit messages after apparitions? Just saying. Why is it they spoke of the secrets as children in socialist Yugoslavia, and now they are silent on that? Is it Our Lady or a Vatican order that prevents them to even commenting secrets anymore? It is they who know the truth. But pardon me we have the right to speak and to ask for explanation. Including from the seers, not only from those who forbid them. The Vatican didn't take that right yet. Perhaps some apparitions are not only promoted but manipulated by Vatican in a way unimaginable. Perhaps technologies like HAARP on personal level have been utilized with unknown ends, while the seer thinks he sees. Perhaps religious-fit messages have been put into the minds of seers. I can't name anyone and it is not my work to do so. But the option do exist. Or extraterrestrial job. The question doesn't start and end with Medjugorje and the absurd illogical and medieval outdated great inquisitor and the people who would support a drive towards the dark past. We didn't stand next to Our Lady for those 30 years to see that happening at the end. If there is something we have to know, something hidden, let those who know it simply tell it. As of the real Fatima. If not, then please go, the world has already changed. Or, MDM is indeed right and we are just approaching the End times. I hope it is not so.
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posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 04:01 AM
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The questions raised seem reached far beyond Medjugorje. It seems the other posters decided it is useless to post with me. I ti stheir will. Let me say Garabandal was never "banned" as Bayside was for example. Garabandal is a very popular apaprition and almost everyone who have followed Medjugorje have heard of Garabandal too. There are excellent analyzes online how the two match together in terms of secrets. I personally think the Great Warning and Miracle won't be granted to the world because of the non-responsiveness of the majority of people to God's grace. I might be wrong. Other apparitions constantly talk of a Great Warning event. Since I do not find it in the Bible outright, I could think only of a RAPTURE event equal to magnitude with what catholic seers describe as Great Warning. perhaps the Rapture will be the last Great Warning for the left behinders to repent. The Rapture is fully Biblical with dozen or more places including quotes from Jesus Himself.

Is it not the same case the church(es) ruled above the Son of God when they in their medieval blindless double crossed the rapture that was believed in the first centuries up to St Ephrem the Syran? It is a time the Augustinian church of absurd end times scenarios to let pass by. We know well today that the bloody Millennium of Augustine spanning more than 10 centuries in the church history and marked with everything from crusades to burning people alive, to misery life of most of population, to average age no more than 35, has nothing to do with any kingdom of God on earth, let alone the Millennium of th risen Lord!!!
It rather nears at some historical moments the kingdom of hell on earth. Perhaps the horrors of 20th century and the possibility of a total holocaust of a nuclear war will make those mothballed theologians to start thinking, that might be, there is something basically wrong in all their theology back then to pre-Augustine time.

The Rapture (rapiemus, raptus est Revelation 12) is not ruled out because it is not in the Gospel, it is ruled out because it was not in the plans of the churches hierarchy in the centuries to save physically people from planet earth (they knew it is round despite they forbade the knowledge). It is a clear Biblical event. The sooner someone influential within the mainstream churches takes that position, the better. Perhaps in combination of what we know of extraterrestrial spaceships seen also in history. Because one cannot fly as an "angel".

The mainstream churches and especially the Roman headquarters must accept the fact that Jesus is above them and He commands the history, not they. Although they say it in words, they do just the opposite in deeds. They have never followed any direction of Jesus in apparition, not even those of Mother Mary in Fatima. Never. Tell me one apparition that was followed by the church exactly as it was said. St Margaret Mary perhaps? Don't know how the church followed it but the French king paid with his blood and the ban on his royalty. Perhaps more divine bans will come on that way.
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posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 05:09 AM
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2012newstart
the catholic apparitions doctrine, so called, based on Fatima and others approved or not approved apparitions, lacks back bone. It is not saying definitely the end times are here. If it is said it is hidden inside secrets.

In contrast the evangelical end times signs are much clearer and well defined. At the end they might be wrong. But the stakes are too hi to make a mistake. I should assume the worst should there are signs of it. And if better comes, thanks be to God. The worst s of course if we are approaching the final 3.5 years Great Trib. They may not follow immediately the first 3.5 years Trib. The first 3,5 y may have passed anytime since the establishment of modern day Israel.

It is a pity the catholic church keeps deepest silence on that. Perhaps it has a reason to do so.



I respectfully disagree, at this point in time Our Lord is getting more specific. He is actually speaking
to Protestant prophets about the most Holy Eucharist. Prophesied divine events are closer.

If you could come to believe in the Real Presence, you will not be deceived by the anti-Christ and his
plans to take away the Eucharist (abomination of desolation).

The Remnant is not Evangelical or 30,000 disagreeing other Protestant sects, it is Roman Catholic.



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 05:10 AM
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Garabandal seer Conchita then child said that there are 3 more popes www.garabandal.com... (Paul 6, John Paul1, JP2). It was not said the rest of the popes are not legit, as some later apparitions assumed. It doesn't match with Malachi either. However that saying of the child Conchita made all papal-hardline-catholics to reject entirely Garabandal. It is wrong to do so. Those are not direct words of Our Lady and the child at that age may have been mistaken. Much more important are the issues of the Great Warning and especialy the Chastisement.

The children of Garabandal said in interview that when the communism comes back everything will happen. In that time 1960s it was impossible to think the communism will be gone so easily without war, and then return. Please refer to sources of Garabandal I don't have time for that.

Bayside says Russia will invade USA with missiles, in one of the later messages received by Veronika who died in 1994. The death of the bishop who banned it puts legitimate questions shouldn't it be reviewed again. But I doubt it Vatican would ever review it. Because it speaks of a decoy of Paul 6 and satan in Vatican (Paul 6 spoke of it too). The problems Bayside puts infront of the church are the biggest ever any apparition did so far. So it was banned.

Even if wrong, even if we put aside Bayside (as I did many years ago), still the questions of Great Warning and especially Chastisement by WW3 and followed by comet impact cannot be ruled out. A number of apparitions talk of that, some silenced, other seers already died. Secular sources started talking about Nibiru etc. that only prove the reality of that perspective. When CNN blog becomes similar to conspiracy site and to catholic apparitions, one should stop and reflect.

Medjugorje case may be a good opportunity to bring back on the table all of that. And to ask why the hell Fatima is still unfulfilled if anything they told us officially were true. So in fact the inquisitor's ban made it possible the faded away Medjugorje people to get stronger along with other apparitions, and to search the truth together.

Perhaps indeed there is something big hidden inside Vatican library, for Nibiru, Annunaki, for other past and present civilizations living parallel to earth's (some say - underground as lemurians and atlanteans, and some remaining draconians).

What is it so hidden that the Vatican doesn't want to speak openly even of approved apparitions and their known secrets. Let alone of the real secrets hidden for centuries. Perhaps Our Lady informed the children here and there of some of these secrets. Perhaps we are just infront a very big revelation of truth.

How about the banned Gospels? There are quite few of them who speak of important events. Assumption of Mary for example. www.newadvent.org...

Why should St Ephrem the Syrian speak of a taking on hi (rapture event) before the antichrist takes the empire (ROman empire)? Was Ephrem a "protestant" back then in 306 – 373 AD ??? www.khouse.org... Or they screwed it up after that and made a planet nearing hell reign on earth gradually but constantly up to the nuclear age?

"For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."
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posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 05:30 AM
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colbe

2012newstart
the catholic apparitions doctrine, so called, based on Fatima and others approved or not approved apparitions, lacks back bone. It is not saying definitely the end times are here. If it is said it is hidden inside secrets.

In contrast the evangelical end times signs are much clearer and well defined. At the end they might be wrong. But the stakes are too hi to make a mistake. I should assume the worst should there are signs of it. And if better comes, thanks be to God. The worst s of course if we are approaching the final 3.5 years Great Trib. They may not follow immediately the first 3.5 years Trib. The first 3,5 y may have passed anytime since the establishment of modern day Israel.

It is a pity the catholic church keeps deepest silence on that. Perhaps it has a reason to do so.



I respectfully disagree, at this point in time Our Lord is getting more specific. He is actually speaking to Protestant prophets about the most Holy Eucharist. Prophesied divine events are closer.

If you could come to believe in the Real Presence, you will not be deceived by the anti-Christ and his
plans to take away the Eucharist (abomination of desolation).

The Remnant is not Evangelical or 30,000 disagreeing other Protestant sects, it is Roman Catholic.


Here is example. Our Lord in His loving way is getting Protestants ready to accept the faith when He
shows them.

Our Lord is talking about the most Holy Eucharist in an October 7th, 2013 message to PROTESTANT Jeff Kingshott

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October 7, 2013

...NOW FEED from My Tree ALL that it bears !
For this shall Sustain you and be your Wares ,
The BREAD of LIFE That shows ME , ( SHEW BREAD)
My Completeness not just a part of My TAPESTRY ,
I AM bearing My ALL open to VIEW !
Come EAT OF ME so that I might give to others to partake of Me to !
For MY FULLNESS FIRST MUST BE UNDERSTOOD
Or it will drift by as if it is deadwood ,
So do not seperate but Come unto Me ,
For I AM Painting in you My COMPLETE TAPESTRY !...

www.openheaven.com...



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 05:46 AM
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"Come EAT OF ME so that I might give to others to partake of Me to !
For MY FULLNESS FIRST MUST BE UNDERSTOOD"....

What is Our Lord kindly saying to Jeff, a Protestant messenger? God's plan in the New Covenant is for you
to receive Him, His risen body, blood, soul and divinity in the consecrated host and wine.

How can this be? It is supernatural, have faith, believe.

Protestants and non-Christians have misUNDERSTOOD, actually, have been taught the Eucharist is not true. The Eucharist is the FULLNESS.

Jesus' followers who asked how can this be and later walked away is John 6:66 in the KJV Bible. Check the
Douay-Rheims, the English translation of the first Bible (Latin Vulgate), the same verse is verse 6:67. No
coincidences, God is trying to get our brothers and sisters attention. Catholics believe in the Real Presence.

The Eucharist is the summit of the faith, believe. Don't put down the faith, there is only ONE faith.



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 06:02 AM
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I wonder why the Vatican doesn't get involved into dialogue. Perhaps there should be 10 servants already in a forum like that who to defend how right the inquisitor's decision is, as it has always been right, because it cannot be wrong, because the pope is infallible, because Peter got the keys...

The fact is Vatican refuses dialogue. It didn't ask US bishops conference. After all they could examine themselves and decide whether or not to allow in their churches to have apparitions or not. Cardinal Schoenborn of Vienna decided it is OK and invited Ivan TWICE.
Then the Vatican does not dialogue with the priests, they are soldiers who fulfil orders.
Then the Vatican does not dialogue with the laity - those millions people who actually are the God's people and who should be cared of, not commanded. Where is the dialogue? For what change do they speak if they pass down orders?
When asked for years, for decades of one single sheet of paper of Fatima they refuse and refuse. As if there is the devil itself in this sheet of paper.
Only prayer and sacrifice is required from the ageing believers.
The problems of the young ones are sidelined. As if the abortions don't come as result of real life problems of families.
The whole politics of Vatican is so absurd, that I doubt it has anything useful in that institution anymore.
If I was pope, and I am not, I would start it all from scratch, from green grass singing songs and then appoint completely new people as pastors. Perhaps the protestants are much closer to the living Word than the catholics are. Too heavy to pass thru the doors.



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 06:07 AM
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The Holy Eucharist is not unique attribute to the Roman church. A dozen of other churches have it as valid as it is. Instead, the doubts that non-consecrated hosts are passed to the people o Sunday masses only increase. Did you see when the priests consecrate all those hosts? No it wasn't on Saturday evening mass. It wasn't on any daily mass. They give non consecrated hosts on Sundays. Perhaps they think the faithful are too sinful to receive the Body of Christ. Let they examine themselves to find out the most sinful are they themselves. Perhaps Jesus will withdraw completely His presence from the catholic churches if the Great Trib indeed is coming. Will allow the antichrist to stop the sacrifice, of which Daniel speaks. As MDM and other prophets as John Leary are saying. Roman church speculates too much with appointed seers such as Fr M.D. who pretend of absolute one catholic church in which the cardinals are the apostles. They are NOT! The apostles' descendants are the Eastern Patriarchs, and the pope being ONE OF THEM. Not the commander of them. Read some history of the church before 1954. The cardinalate is as outdated institution as the "holy inquisition office" is. When did Jesus ever speak about that? Were John and James "cardinals"? No they were not. Let face te truth. There is one very outdated construction that is about to fall. The fall will be great. The only chance of survival is to run away before the fall. If Francis will do something he'd better do it now. Otherwise he will be one of the victims of the great fall. Exactly as Malachi and others predict. Is this the purpose. Perhaps it is.
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posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 06:07 AM
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2012,

Why do you care about Catholic messages from Heaven and the Blessed Mother appearing?

Accept her appearing, of course she does especially now that the world has gone to heck. Please explain....

Why all your anti-Catholic posts? What's your history, may I ask since you've posted negatives comments against the faith. The Bible is a Catholic book, logically, takes you back to the faith, the one and only faith.

Come home, you can.

The miraculous physical cures continue at Medjugorje, so do the spiritual healings.


God bless you,


colbe



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 06:17 AM
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2012newstartText. A dozen of other churches have it as valid as it is. Instead, the doubts that non-consecrated hosts are passed to the people o Sunday masses only increase. Did you see when the priests consecrate all those hosts? No it wasn't on Saturday evening mass. It wasn't on any daily mass. They give non consecrated hosts on Sundays. Perhaps they think the faithful are too sinful to receive the Body of Christ. Let they examine themselves to find out the most sinful are they themselves. Perhaps Jesus will withdraw completely His presence from the catholic churches if the Great Trib indeed is coming. Will allow the antichrist to stop the sacrifice, of which Daniel speaks. As MDM and other prophets as John Leary are says.


Yes, only those in union with Roman Catholicism, the Protestant Communion is bread and wine or juice and crackers. Which would you prefer?

Your comments do not fit Catholic teachings, you're on an anti-Catholic ride. Why? Are you a baptized
Roman Catholic who has left the faith?

Go read your Bible, Jesus told Peter, the first Pope chosen by Christ, the gates of Hell will not overcome My
Church (singular).

I just gave you an obvious message from Heaven about the Eucharist given a Protestant prophet. The Remnant is Roman Catholic, Jesus is preparing Protestants to accept the Faith.



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 06:19 AM
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No you can't. I experienced already personal attacks and will not give up again.

It is not me it is the facts who speak. Why don't you just respond to 1/10 of them?

We face an inquisitor, and the catholics tremble of fear as leaves in autumn. It is outrageous!

How is it there aren't bishops speaking louder? WIll they be fired al? Are there scandals behind everyone so everyone is afraid to be exposed, as O'Brien?

Those people in Rome will bury all of us with them. They prepare to die as the FAKE FATIMA 2000 speaks of, but they want all of us to die with them. They will call for a nuclear war. If not for the antichrist (if we are not in the end times).

You guys you didn't answer even 1% of what I put here. Garabandal, Garabandal. Whats wrong Our Lady appeared there indeed. As She appeared in Medjugorje. As probably in other banned sites. Banned by Rome. Rome bans the Mother of God and the Son of God. Soon Rome will be banned. I give it no more than Christmas time.



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 06:23 AM
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2012newstartText. A dozen of other churches have it as valid as it is. Instead, the doubts that non-consecrated hosts are passed to the people o Sunday masses only increase. Did you see when the priests consecrate all those hosts? No it wasn't on Saturday evening mass. It wasn't on any daily mass. They give non consecrated hosts on Sundays. Perhaps they think the faithful are too sinful to receive the Body of Christ. Let they examine themselves to find out the most sinful are they themselves. Perhaps Jesus will withdraw completely His presence from the catholic churches if the Great Trib indeed is coming. Will allow the antichrist to stop the sacrifice, of which Daniel speaks. As MDM and other prophets as John Leary are says.


Yes, only those in union with Roman Catholicism, the Protestant Communion is bread and wine or juice and crackers. Which would you prefer?

Your comments do not fit Catholic teachings, you're on an anti-Catholic ride. Why? Are you a baptized
Roman Catholic who has left the faith?

Go read your Bible, Jesus told Peter, the first Pope chosen by Christ, the gates of Hell will not overcome My
Church (singular).

I just gave you an obvious message from Heaven about the Eucharist given a Protestant prophet. The Remnant is Roman Catholic, Jesus is preparing Protestants to accept the Faith.



Stop asking me personal questions.

The sacraments are valid in all Orthodox churches and may be in the Episcopal/Anglican. You should know that!

the mass communion in catholic churches is under heavy question when it has been noticed by faithful that there is excess of hosts given on big masses on Sunday etc. These hosts have never been consecrated.



posted on Nov, 10 2013 @ 06:27 AM
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Jesus never appointed Peter to go to Rome and to crown kings, or to bless crusades. Peter first was in Antioch and the Antioch patriarchy still has the apostolic succession of Peter.
Moreover the disciple of Peter, Mark, went to Alexandria and Alexandria patriarchy still has apostolic succession from him - Peter.
The fact Peter went to ROme later, does not absolve the popes after 4th century when they married Constantine who was pagan hi priest at that time.

Need not go further in history.

Francis has been given a chance. 9 months after his election I see 1% of change if any. Instead I see and experience the hardest hit on the faithful since the fall of Berlin Wall. Medjugorje is older than that. It is outrageous!

"WE ARE THE CHURCH" not those who pretend to be commander in chiefs in Rome.

We will build a new church on a new planet. If those in Rome do not want to take part, let them go in history.

I will not respond more comments for sole purpose to provoke me.

First respond to the legitimate questions I posted. First and foremost the inquisitor's attack in 21st century. Are we going to get the antichrist now or not.



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