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reply to post by elouina
$208 a month? Damn, that's not bad at all. What's she whining about?
reply to post by ketsuko
Enjoyed reading your post. Health insurance is a necessity no matter how little you can afford. Even if just major medical. They require car insurance and no one as far as I know gets that free. I know this recent promise thing was a big boondoggle. But Obama screwed up big time paying favorites with businesses and delaying their mandate. But even then, they shouldn't be required to provide caviar. Not every company is a Dell, Verizon, Tasty Cakes etc... Health Insurance costs big bucks. Period.
It is too much. Health coverage should be completely free. It's pretty much a basic human right at this point, like internet access, a drivers license, college education etc etc etc. Just because these concepts didn't exist about 300 years ago doesn't mean they shouldn't apply. I mean personally I am so done with people acting like it's a ridiculous or asinine concept that people want what they deserve. You know like the right to living? Oh wait I forgot the right to living only extends to fetuses my bad I take back everything I said we should just charge out the ass for insurance to make sure only the upper class and the people who are actually lower class but think they're upper class because they're house poor get to enjoy things like knowing if you have cancer or not.
Also OP shouldn't you be up in arms about just how much you ARE paying? I don't know about you but that seems a little exorbitant to me.
reply to post by ketsuko
Another example of the free market at its best is the "nutriceutical" industry -- nutritional supplements. Their research and development is seldom government subsidized; it comes from their own profits, which come from supplying a demand. They produce what people want and need and are willing to pay for. If their products did not produce the wanted beneficial results, there would be no demand and the industry would implode. People often turn to nutriceuticals when pharmaceuticals are not an option, either due to unpleasant side effects, or because they don't work, or they are too expensive. And yet, most nutritional supplements are a fraction of the cost of pharmaceuticals. The free market at work. Go figure
Not bad, but I also know that it is difficult for youngsters to find that much spare cash. Me and my husband paid $1000 every 3 months in 1984, and it was difficult.
Just a question: is this sarcasm? I am being honest, I can't tell. Do you really feel health care, internet access, and a college education are a human 'right'?
reply to post by Awolscout
The problem with free healthcare is that it would have to be government run and completely government regulated, in such a system, every corner that could be cut, would be because despite your grand vision of how the world should work, the reality is the dollar is king and quality of life or even life itself is a secondary concern. That is the sick way the current world works. At least by privatising medicine and health care, people can choose what level of care they can afford and want.
reply to post by sulaw
What I do take issue with is your premise that the "older" (I see it as "wiser") generation has done nothing about it; haven't "mentored". I'm sorry, but we tried. We tried in 2008 when the youngsters where worshiping Obama, drinking the Kool Aid and taking the bait; hook, line and sinker. We tried when Obamacare was being debated and shoved down the country's throat in 2009 demanding that we slow down a bit and REALLY THINK this through. We tried in 2012 by talking about how this administration had not lived up to the hype and provided supporting evidence that the current agenda was leading us the wrong way down a one-way street. We also tried, and continue to try, at every point in between; NDAA, Benghazi, Fast-N-Furious, NSA, IRS...
Some People Don't Deserve Living Wage!
Worth reading the whole thing...
reply to post by kozmo
Seriously, people flipping burgers asking and protesting to make 15 bucks an hour!!! Get a real skill, better yourself and don't expect anything, because when you do, you DESERVE a punch to the face with a reality check stating "YOU DESERVED THAT".
Now you're just being partisan. Neither Republicans or Democrats are the good guys. As for your point. Your attempt in 2008 was McCains plan, which is EXTREMELY similar to the ACA. It was based on both the Heritage plan which was the official Republican plan from 1988-2008 and Romneycare. Obama's plan was nothing like the final ACA. In 2009 "you" (actually congressional Republicans) demanded compromise, which reworked the entire plan from single payer into the current Republican written but still opposed plan aka a giant health insurance company giveaway.
Obama's plan keeps the free-market health care system intact, particularly employer-based insurance. It is not a goverment-run program and is very different from the health care systems run by the government in some European countries.
Obama's plan essentially takes the health care system as it is today and seeks to expand it to the uninsured. The plan increases eligibility for the poor and children to enroll in initiatives like Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. It also creates pools for individuals to buy their own cheaper insurance. And it outlines several strategies aimed at reining in costs for everyone, such as streamlining medical record-keeping and emphasizing preventive care.
I'm sure you felt that was quite difficult for you. $1000 every 3 months in 1984 dollars is about the same as $2200 today. Of course in 1984 one was also paid 5x more relatively so that burden is approximately equal to $450 today which would be $150 every month. The poor woman you're insulting is paying significantly more than that but I guess it's easy to lose perspective when someone is doing so well a $17,000 (this is more than I and two roommates, all college graduates that work as many hours as people will actually hire us for bring in combined in an entire year) annual health insurance expense is just an inconvenience rather than something catastrophic in and of itself.
Just because these concepts didn't exist about 300 years ago doesn't mean they shouldn't apply.