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CNBC - Young Obamacare Supporter Whining - Told Ya So

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posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 05:34 PM
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BobM88
reply to post by elouina
 


$208 a month? Damn, that's not bad at all. What's she whining about?


Not bad, but I also know that it is difficult for youngsters to find that much spare cash. Me and my husband paid $1000 every 3 months in 1984, and it was difficult. So we had a choice, fancy gizmos, nice clothes, or health insurance, We were able to do it, and so can all these youngsters. Previously they got to choose their own priorities, but now the nanny state has chosen it for them. This is unfortunate, but it is what they asked for.




posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 06:10 PM
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I SUBMIT A VERY CRUDE OUTLINE AND EXPLAINATION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND WHAT IS GOING ON.

I SEE HERE A LOT OF MYSTERIES BEING DISCOVERED FOR THE FIRST TIME AND I ALSO SEE THE QUESTION REOCURRING"
HOW IN THE HELL DID WE GET IN SUCH A MESS? BELIEVE IT OR NOT THERE IS A SIMPLE ANSWER;
BUT FIRST A NOTE ?
WOULD YOU PAY A BILLION DOLLARS TO GET A $250,000.00/YEARS JOB... OF COURSE NOT..WELL NOT, UNLESS YOU HAD WOULD BE HANDED THE KEY TO THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND COULD OPEN IT UP TO THE TUNE OF $4,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 DOLLARS FOR YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS. MAKE SENSE NOW?
THAT SAID WE'LL LET THAT SOAK-IN.

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT OUR COUNTRY IS DOING SOME REALLY SILLY THINGS.. THE MAJOR ONES:
A) BORROWING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS SO WE CAN GIVE AWAY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN "FOREIGN AID" TO BUT FRIENDS.
B) TRYING TO GO GREEN WHEN THERE IS NO "DEMANDING MARKET FOR THE SOLAR OR WIND" IS STUPID. WHEN THE DEMAND BECOMES GREAT THE INDUSTRY WILL BLOOM.
C) CREATING A "TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT SUPPORT" SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION .. THE FREEBY STATE AND ALLOWING THEM TO VOTE. THINK OF IT THIS WAY WHEN YOU WERE A KID HAD YOUR MOM ALLOWED YOU TO MAKE UP THE GROCERY LIST "IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ICE CREAM, CAKE AND CANDY" YOUR MOM DID WHAT WAS GOOD FOR YOU TO GROW STRONG. KNOWLEDGE BY EXPERIENCE.

ONE UNDERSTANDING MUST BE CLEAR... SOCIAL SECURITY IS PAID FOR BY EVERY EMPLOYED TAX PAYER IN OUR SYSTEM.
SOCIAL SECURITY WAS INITIATED AS A "TRUST FUND" MEANING THE ACCOUNT WAS EXCLUSIVELY THE CONTRIBUTOR UNTIL THEIR DEATH... NO RIGHT OF SURVIVORSHIP WAS IN EFFECT. TRUCK DRIVE,DOCTOR,SOLDIER DIES IS ACCOUNT GOES INTO THE F.I.C.A. GENERAT FUND. SOCIAL SECURITY IS A PAID FOR BY THE OWNER OF THE BENEFIT.
THIS WAS CHANGED TWICE, BY PRES JOHNSON 1964 & PRES REAGAN 1981

D) THE RULES FOR BORROWING MONEY... DO NOT BORROW TO SUPPORT YOURSELF, ONLY TO EXPAND YOUR OPPORTUNITIES. ALWAYS HAVE A PLAN FOR PAY BACK. MANAGE BORROWED FUNDS SEPERATELY FROM NORMAL INCOME. (A NOTE: THE UNITED STATES HAS NEVER PAID OFF IT'S LOANS MADE TO FIGHT THE CIVIL WAR, WE'VE BEEN PAYING INTEREST ONLY)
E) THE FEDERAL RESERVE HAS NOTHING BACKING THE PAPER THAT THEY PRINT AND CALL "FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES"
IT IS JUST PAPER BUT IT BECOMES A DEBT WHEN THEY USE IT TO "BUY" THE U.S. TREASURY BOND/CERTIFICATES THAT THE U.S. PAYS INTEREST ON.

SPECIAL NOTE: THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS A "CORPORATION" REGISTERED IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA ALSO AS IS EVERY SO CALLED "BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT" CIA, IRA, DEA, FBI, NAVY, AIR FORCE, ARMY, COAST GUARD, etc. THE U.S. IS THE PARENT CORP OF WHICH WE ARE IT'S ASSETS.. WE EACH ARE ONE SHARE OF STOCK OF THE U.S. CORP (SEE RED NUMBER ON YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY CARD..YOUR REGISTERED STOCK NUMBER)

A "STOCK SHARE" FUNCTION IS TO SHOW VALUE BASED ON "TOTAL VALUE OF ASSETS MINUS LIABILITIES = NET VALUE)
ENTIRE VALUE OF THE UNITED STATES/ POPULATION= STOCK VALUE- DEBT= NET STOCK VALUE. DEBT IS APPLIED TO EVERY OUTSTANDING STOCK SHARE (BIRTH TO 120 YEAR OLD PERSONS ARE EQUALLY IN DEBT)

NOW IF I'M THE PRES. & I GET MY SUPPORTS LINED UP TO BE "TOO BIG TO ALLOW FAILURE" THE U.S. HAS BORROW MONEY TO PAY THEM OFF.... WHICH EACH OF US ARE RESPONSIBLY TO PAY BACK.. EVERY MAN, WOMAN & CHILD

OUR CHILDREN AR BORN UNDER THIS BURDEN... AND IF OUR ECONOMY IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO SUPPORT ALL THE "GOVERNMENT DEPENDENTS, GOVERNMENT EXPENSES AND FOREIGN AID"

THIS MIGHT NOT BE EXACT BUT IT IS THE GENERAL IDEA OF THE BASIS OF OUR PROBLEMS.. OUR LEADERS ARE NOT LIVING UP TO THEIR OATH TO "SERVE THE U.S. CORP (US THE STOCKHOLDERS) & PROTECT FROM ALL ENEMIES BOTH FOREIGN & DOMESTIC"

THEY ARE TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL BORROWING TO GIVE OR PAY OFF ALL THEIR SUPPORTERS TO THE DETERIMENT OF THE CORPORATION.



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posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 09:06 PM
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What's up with the shouting?



posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 09:07 PM
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Yeah, well, the kids have to learn sooner or later there are no freebies in the real world.



posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 10:19 PM
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The fancy cars, toys, etc., is part of the problem. So many of them want those material creature comforts and aren't willing to wait.

I had this discussion with a former friend of my husband's back when Obamacare was still a sort-of debate.

He was young and more well-off than we were, and he felt that he didn't have to carry health insurance. Then, he got diverticulitis and wound up needing expensive tests like an MRI to help diagnose him. He was outraged at the bill's cost and was demanding single-payer based on that. Health care should be free you see because having to pay that much for it is outrageous.

For my part, I had gone for a time without insurance with chronic migraine, but both my husband and I knew this was untenable and had sacrificed as soon as we were able to carry it. It was not a luxury but a necessity in our lives. So, I could not comprehend that mindset that would be so irresponsible.

First, he was mad at the bills. Then he was mad that insurance would cost him so much because he now had a pre-existing. And of course, he wanted "free" health care. Keep in mind that at no point did he not have the means to pay for either the care or the premium, he just didn't think he should have to. He flat out told me when I explained it was a responsibility that takes priority over the fancy toys that I should want my health care free too because think of all the fun things I could have if I didn't have to pay for my health care.

Of course, now he lives in Canada where even the cheapest cases of beer are $50 and wonders why ...



posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 10:38 PM
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Enjoyed reading your post. Health insurance is a necessity no matter how little you can afford. Even if just major medical. They require car insurance and no one as far as I know gets that free. I know this recent promise thing was a big boondoggle. But Obama screwed up big time paying favorites with businesses and delaying their mandate. But even then, they shouldn't be required to provide caviar. Not every company is a Dell, Verizon, Tasty Cakes etc... Health Insurance costs big bucks. Period.



posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 10:43 PM
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elouina
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Enjoyed reading your post. Health insurance is a necessity no matter how little you can afford. Even if just major medical. They require car insurance and no one as far as I know gets that free. I know this recent promise thing was a big boondoggle. But Obama screwed up big time paying favorites with businesses and delaying their mandate. But even then, they shouldn't be required to provide caviar. Not every company is a Dell, Verizon, Tasty Cakes etc... Health Insurance costs big bucks. Period.


Well, we fall under that big business exemption I think because my husband's health care hasn't been messed with yet. They've sent round the letters saying that they are "monitoring the situation closely" and he says he sees how they are trying to respond by closely regimenting what types of employees and who they work for and how much and everything.

I am deathly afraid of what will happen to us next year because I know we can't afford Obamacare unless I manage to get a full-time job and I've only been trying to do that for the past 5 years now.



posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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Under this health care fiasco, businesses by law have to offer health care to people that make over 40 hours a week. Guess what will happen? Not only are you forced to pay more in health care costs you now will probably lose your full time work and have to survive on part time work. Are you feeling it yet? Welcome to slave America. You're going to need health care alright because you are going to work yourself to death just to pay for all this.



posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 11:02 PM
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Awolscout
It is too much. Health coverage should be completely free. It's pretty much a basic human right at this point, like internet access, a drivers license, college education etc etc etc. Just because these concepts didn't exist about 300 years ago doesn't mean they shouldn't apply. I mean personally I am so done with people acting like it's a ridiculous or asinine concept that people want what they deserve. You know like the right to living? Oh wait I forgot the right to living only extends to fetuses my bad I take back everything I said we should just charge out the ass for insurance to make sure only the upper class and the people who are actually lower class but think they're upper class because they're house poor get to enjoy things like knowing if you have cancer or not.

Also OP shouldn't you be up in arms about just how much you ARE paying? I don't know about you but that seems a little exorbitant to me.


Your understanding of rights is alarming. Internet access - really?



posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 11:16 PM
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There is so much I want to respond to, but only 7500 characters to do it with.


Boadicea
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Another example of the free market at its best is the "nutriceutical" industry -- nutritional supplements. Their research and development is seldom government subsidized; it comes from their own profits, which come from supplying a demand. They produce what people want and need and are willing to pay for. If their products did not produce the wanted beneficial results, there would be no demand and the industry would implode. People often turn to nutriceuticals when pharmaceuticals are not an option, either due to unpleasant side effects, or because they don't work, or they are too expensive. And yet, most nutritional supplements are a fraction of the cost of pharmaceuticals. The free market at work. Go figure


Actually, the nutritional supplement industry isn't regulated because it's seen to be devoid of any benefit. Any doctor worth their degree will tell you there's no proof vitamins actually help you (particularly when you pass over 90% of them rather than absorb them). The industry is made up of modern day snake oil salesmen that skirt the law by claiming their products are "healthful" (look that up sometime if you don't get it).


elouina
Not bad, but I also know that it is difficult for youngsters to find that much spare cash. Me and my husband paid $1000 every 3 months in 1984, and it was difficult.


I'm sure you felt that was quite difficult for you. $1000 every 3 months in 1984 dollars is about the same as $2200 today. Of course in 1984 one was also paid 5x more relatively so that burden is approximately equal to $450 today which would be $150 every month. The poor woman you're insulting is paying significantly more than that but I guess it's easy to lose perspective when someone is doing so well a $17,000 (this is more than I and two roommates, all college graduates that work as many hours as people will actually hire us for bring in combined in an entire year) annual health insurance expense is just an inconvenience rather than something catastrophic in and of itself.


ABNARTY
Just a question: is this sarcasm? I am being honest, I can't tell. Do you really feel health care, internet access, and a college education are a human 'right'?


They are. Without health care one lives a shorter life producing less, they also do so at a lower quality. Internet access is perhaps the greatest invention in human history. Knowledge is an extremely powerful thing and the internet provides near unlimited knowledge to everyone on the planet. College educations allow for people to be more productive, not only earning more but paying more in taxes and providing more specialized skills to a community. These are things that a community must provide as they provide the community with greater returns on their investment. Higher skilled labor, a more informed public, people that are healthy and get preventative care. These are all things that require relatively low amounts of money to create but have huge payoffs. A $60,000 0% interest college loan to teach someone how to be a software engineer vs a walmart greeter creates $1,563,000 (at a 24% tax rate) in tax revenue over that persons working lifetime. Subtract the initial $60,000 and you have 1.5 million in profit, 25x the initial expense. You don't owe someone free youtube, but if you want specialists and healthy people in your community you owe them the ability to have free access to the internet and the ability to have health care. It's the cost of living in a society vs living on your own (which almost no one can do... it's why exile used to be the ultimate punishment in a Native American tribe).


Helious
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The problem with free healthcare is that it would have to be government run and completely government regulated, in such a system, every corner that could be cut, would be because despite your grand vision of how the world should work, the reality is the dollar is king and quality of life or even life itself is a secondary concern. That is the sick way the current world works. At least by privatising medicine and health care, people can choose what level of care they can afford and want.


Because in a private corporation that exists solely to generate profit, they clearly won't cut corners and seek to maximize earnings. The entire point to a government run system is that it doesn't have to run at a profit. That's why it's important for few government run enterprises to exist. If something is a basic human right it shouldn't be as profitable as possible. Those involved in it should be able to make a living, but making it private adds an extra layer of costs in the form of profit. If you want a good health care system, you need the regulation of government that doesn't seek to profit combined with the incentive of private corporations to be efficient.


kozmo
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What I do take issue with is your premise that the "older" (I see it as "wiser") generation has done nothing about it; haven't "mentored". I'm sorry, but we tried. We tried in 2008 when the youngsters where worshiping Obama, drinking the Kool Aid and taking the bait; hook, line and sinker. We tried when Obamacare was being debated and shoved down the country's throat in 2009 demanding that we slow down a bit and REALLY THINK this through. We tried in 2012 by talking about how this administration had not lived up to the hype and provided supporting evidence that the current agenda was leading us the wrong way down a one-way street. We also tried, and continue to try, at every point in between; NDAA, Benghazi, Fast-N-Furious, NSA, IRS...


Now you're just being partisan. Neither Republicans or Democrats are the good guys. As for your point. Your attempt in 2008 was McCains plan, which is EXTREMELY similar to the ACA. It was based on both the Heritage plan which was the official Republican plan from 1988-2008 and Romneycare. Obama's plan was nothing like the final ACA. In 2009 "you" (actually congressional Republicans) demanded compromise, which reworked the entire plan from single payer into the current Republican written but still opposed plan aka a giant health insurance company giveaway. You "tried" in 2012 to repeal it on many grounds but it stayed. Want to know why? Because despite all of it's flaws, of which there are many it is still astronomically better than what predated it.


pavil
Some People Don't Deserve Living Wage!

Worth reading the whole thing...


Also the flipside of this a LOT of people just don't seem to grasp is:

SOME JOBS JUST AREN'T WORTH MORE THAN THE MINIMUM WAGE.

Really, there are job's that are only worth $7.40/hr. Some people have a hard time grasping that one. If you "deserve" it, go out and EARN it or DO it yourself to make more.

I read it, it seems you didn't. He says no such thing. He says to look professional when searching for a job.



posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 11:19 PM
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health care itself needs to be fixed first, especially psych wards and customer care. Like medications need to be fully labeled and explained in full by doctors and psychiatrists of their side effects and interactions. Commercials do it, doctors should as well. Also i think doctors should be governed better so that patients can use the knowledge of the dangers of these crappy pharmeceuticals to reject them without being forcefully committed and beaten by guards and injected with harmful mixes, they're treating humans like animals, restricting them from pleasure and controlling them as though being mentally ill is a crime. And they also manipulate the law and the authority of medical knowledge to lie about patients and force them to take ECT and harmful medications that everyone is reporting makes them twitch and doesn't help with symptoms. Now let me see you trust medical doctors.



posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 11:21 PM
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sulaw
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Seriously, people flipping burgers asking and protesting to make 15 bucks an hour!!! Get a real skill, better yourself and don't expect anything, because when you do, you DESERVE a punch to the face with a reality check stating "YOU DESERVED THAT".


You do realize that from 1950 to 1980 (slightly less so as you get closer to 1980) someone working full time as a burger flipper making minimum wage made so much money they could own a house, pay for college out of pocket, eat like a king, have health insurance, and have a little bit of money left over for recreation.

That is how far minimum wage has declined.



posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 11:38 PM
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208 dollars omgosh! Whatever will we do?


Sorry but that is quite comical. I paid 250 a month when I was younger then her for insurance when working for myself. Long before this mess. I am not sure how the insurance will stack up but I paid a 20 dollar copay with no deductible. I cannot help but feel she was raised in a terrible manner. I am very thankful for the time I spent with my grandmother. She taught me how things should be and about her hardships.

I learned to make gravy from scratch, I learned to make biscuits from scratch, and she told me stories of hard times when she raised kids with no money. I took that tidbit of knowledge and learned to cook. Working from home gives you a leg up on this. You have all day to cook. I prepare and freeze my biscuits for later. I love homemade gravy still even though its bad for you. I can bake my own bread. I can make apple pies from scratch that would blow you away.

Most importantly though I realized just how little I need to get by. I do not need to buy the high dollar things in the store. I can by the 'healthy' ingredients, make my own food, and still save a lot of money. Yes I know, I will make someone a good wife someday.



There are just too many people not putting anything aside and living way above their means. If we ever have a real crisis, those that do that kind of thing are in for a rude awakening. What she says in the video is just bunk. I had to check into the ER a year ago. They attempted to bill 40,000 dollars. Oh but heck no. Glad I had insurance. Whats she gonna do when she has an emergency and has to hit the ER?

If shes maxed out now there is no way in heck she could afford an ER bill. Fact is shes rolling the dice without insurance. Sounds like she thought she was going to get something free. Just like everyone else that voted for Obama? Maybe she should learn how to budget. What is her idea of a budget? I think its different from whats taught in reality.




posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:05 AM
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Aazadan
Now you're just being partisan. Neither Republicans or Democrats are the good guys. As for your point. Your attempt in 2008 was McCains plan, which is EXTREMELY similar to the ACA. It was based on both the Heritage plan which was the official Republican plan from 1988-2008 and Romneycare. Obama's plan was nothing like the final ACA. In 2009 "you" (actually congressional Republicans) demanded compromise, which reworked the entire plan from single payer into the current Republican written but still opposed plan aka a giant health insurance company giveaway.


I've seen that written here in a few places and its simply untrue. At best its poor memory, at worst its an embarassing attempt to blame Republicans for Obamacare.

Obama's Healthcare Plan during the 2008 campaign


Obama's plan keeps the free-market health care system intact, particularly employer-based insurance. It is not a goverment-run program and is very different from the health care systems run by the government in some European countries.

Obama's plan essentially takes the health care system as it is today and seeks to expand it to the uninsured. The plan increases eligibility for the poor and children to enroll in initiatives like Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. It also creates pools for individuals to buy their own cheaper insurance. And it outlines several strategies aimed at reining in costs for everyone, such as streamlining medical record-keeping and emphasizing preventive care.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:11 AM
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Yep young people are screwed. They will have to pay for expansive premiums and also pay for SS and Medicare that will be bankrupted by the time they retired. They will have a difficult time saving for retirement with the cost of living going up and all these other fees.

It will get even worst for the future generation who will have to deal with the debt.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:24 AM
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I just watched the video and it is quite comical. First of all she's currently grossly under insured while believing she has some sort of coverage. A "high risk high yield" plan basically translates into covering the first $20,000 or whatever of something catastrophic like her being hit by a car while giving her no day to day coverage if she for example throws her back out at the gym or needs a $2000 medical test. Of course, $20,000 wouldn't cover something extremely serious either, so really the "high yield" part of her plan is just offloading that cost onto society. So back to the under insured point. She has nothing right now, and she's paying for it, though she believes she's actually getting something out of it. She's part of the problem and doesn't even know it.

Obamacare is forcing her to actually buy real insurance and not be a drain on the system if something happens. I find it comical that she believes she's supposed to be getting something for nothing out of the deal. Insurance is a cost, it has a layer of profit attached. It is not meant to be used to cover routine things like doctors visits every couple months. The idea of insurance is that you pay a bit extra (not less, more) so that if something major comes up you're covered. It is not some magical product that lowers costs for everyone, it actually increases the amount society as a whole is paying (by whatever percent administrative costs+profit come to... in this case 20%) in order to protect the individual from something major.

Having insurance is nice, collective bargaining can be a powerful thing, but I wish people like this actually understood what the product they're saying they want actually does.
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posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:39 AM
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Aazadan
I'm sure you felt that was quite difficult for you. $1000 every 3 months in 1984 dollars is about the same as $2200 today. Of course in 1984 one was also paid 5x more relatively so that burden is approximately equal to $450 today which would be $150 every month. The poor woman you're insulting is paying significantly more than that but I guess it's easy to lose perspective when someone is doing so well a $17,000 (this is more than I and two roommates, all college graduates that work as many hours as people will actually hire us for bring in combined in an entire year) annual health insurance expense is just an inconvenience rather than something catastrophic in and of itself.

Sheez... You are trying to tell us all here that $1000 in 1984 is worth $450 today? LOL.... LOL... I could buy a HUGE order (heaping cart with 1/4 meats) of groceries for $50. The newspaper was $1.25 a week. The phone bill was $10.50 a month. The cable bill was $7 a month. I could eat a breakfast in a restaurant (2 eggs, toast, homefries) for 99 cents. And the 3 month sewage bill was $9. We rented 1/2 a duplex house for $275, which included gas and electric. Do you realize that our health insurance cost was not much different than what we paid to live? It WAS a lot! Do I need to continue? LOL.... LOL...

So please do tell me, how much that 99 cent breakfast would cost today with your rationale. I am very curious... LOL...

And may I ask how a $17,000 health insurance bill can be an, "inconvenience" for any middle class person? Are you friggin nuts?

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posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 01:00 AM
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Awolscout
Just because these concepts didn't exist about 300 years ago doesn't mean they shouldn't apply.


Wow, how did our forefathers ever survive with out the collective giving them free horses, free seeds, free arrows, free shoes, free cabins, and free bleeding sessions?

I'll answer my own question, they survived because they used their natural right of liberty to do hard hard hard hard work. They bought a horse from their sweat. They fed their children with the efforts of their own toils. They realized that liberty is difficult and comes with much responsibility; should they fail they would have to work even harder. Should they not stay focused,should they stray into bars and smoke shops, should they lead a life full of deceit and corruption, their toils would only become worse. But they knew that liberty provided that their efforts benefited them, they would decide what their sweat would reap; they had freedom. No one would come and pick their pocket; and if someone did that someone would hang from a tree in the city square. The product of their sweat was their's to do with as they pleased. They were strong. Their inner will and belief dictated in their soul that they didn't need another man to give him anything for free. The inner voice of thought was fixated on the fact they could thrive if left alone; they were independent. And thrive they did. Because of them you are now able to beg, whine and moan for free scraps to a bunch of strangers you have never met and will never meet. They were strong, independent, and gracious so today you can be weak, dependent, and pitiful. You are an embarrassment to liberty and independence.

Because, you sir, want to remove that natural right of mankind. You want to empower the lords and planters to decide what is to be the product of another man's sweat. Right now those lords and planters are offering you shiny things, but once you have given them that power you will find that the shiny things promised are nothing but their own feces after they have eaten all of your sweat; and you will no longer be in any position to demand better. They will decide. They will share with you only the leftovers. Your freedom to decide how your sweat is best spent will be up to them.

A plantation owner gave his slaves free medical care. A plantation owner gave his slaves free food. A plantation owner gave his slaves free housing. A plantation owner gave his slaves free tools. A plantation owner decided how the efforts of the slave's sweat was spent, and he spread it as he saw fit to the other slaves. Perhaps 300 years ago you would have been a willing slave; an indentured servant to a planter. Dependent to another man and corrected by a sharp whip. Right now you are advocating selling every man and woman in this country to an auction. You are the worst of all humankind. You sir, are a slave trade advocate; and the first person you are advocating to sell is yourself. And the saddest part, you are too blind to even recognize the reality of what serfdom is; so you ignorantly advocate following the pied piper into the cave believing that the miracles and goodies he is promising are locked away in those caverns. Once you have followed the promises into this world of "free" the boulder will fall behind you and you will be lost in darkness with no escape, left only to dance to the piper's tune and what he decides to play. Lucky for you, I hear every once in a while he takes special requests.
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posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 01:03 AM
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I'm very happy to be the first to give a star to your response. Well said, sir.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 01:20 AM
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Ya the youth of today is doing great..........Really. I wonder how many 20 something's with big degrees in impressive subjects are still living at home working at Wally world.



You seem to imply that I am misguided with my views. I personally have to 3 family members just out of college and one has a doctorate and guess what...........Not working in there fields yet.



And I will say it again anyone making under 12 dollars is screwed. Inflation mixed with the lack of jobs is about to erupt. You will not be able to feed and house yourself anymore. I good sign of this is people demanding 15 dollars and hour and when this happens the house of cards will finally fall.



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