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posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 08:47 PM
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crazyewok

abecedarian

There is literally no excuse for what Democrats have done to this country.


And your Republicans.

It was Bush, Chenny and co that started the ball rolling in the first place.


Yes. It was. But Obama has done absolutely nothing to change that. Zilch. If you can muster some criticism for Bush and Cheney, why can't you do at least as much for the guy who is just like them?

Only Obama is worse because liberals refuse to go after him for the same things they went after Bush on. They're in love with their image of him even if he is as bad as Bush. They just ignore all that and put it in a separate compartment in their minds. They have the "Good old Obama!" compartment and the "This stuff is really bad but it isn't Obama's fault" compartment.


Obama just contuned with it and expanded it.


Oh really? Well, then. I guess that means he's at least as bad. Right?



You think if you voted in Mccain or Rommeny things would have been diffrent?


Yes. I believe if there was a Republican president, most of the people who are sticking up for Obama because he calls himself a Democrat would be doing the right thing. Calling him out on bad policies. If you can't have a president who isn't a liar and a criminal, at least we should have a majority that has the balls to call him out on it.

When Bush was in office doing all this crap, every liberal I knew was furious. When Obama took over, all those people disappeared. Even now that they know Obama is doing all the same stuff (and probably stuff they're not telling us about) they are making stupid excuses for not getting involved and letting things slide.
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posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 10:30 PM
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xuenchen
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Obama wanted single payer universal healthcare just like we have (Canada) and regardless of the BS you may have heard it works and works well (although I think dental should also be covered).


Unfortunately, The Progressive Democrats had full control of the Executive (Obama) Branch and both Chambers of Congress in 2009.

What they passed is exactly what they wanted to pass with the full support of all the Left Wing NGOs 100%.

Republicans all voted *NO* on this ObamaCare law.

The PPACA is a corporatist Lobbyed law 100%.



After some self-education I've had a change of concept regarding the ACA. It is @rap!

I think all federal laws are corporatist lobbied, regardless of party. The system is corrupted and it has been for a long time.



posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 10:35 PM
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True, but they still managed to change parts after the fact from what I've read. A polished 7urd is still a 7urd.

I certainly don't envy what my southern cousins are going through. I'll hope and pray that you end up with something workable and beneficial for all.



posted on Nov, 7 2013 @ 11:29 PM
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After some self-education I've had a change of concept regarding the ACA. It is @rap!

I think all federal laws are corporatist lobbied, regardless of party. The system is corrupted and it has been for a long time.


You pretty much got it.

And, the Corporatist agenda is worldwide.

The central bank systems are mostly controlled by the Basel Committee at the Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland.

The U.S. Federal Reserve has many regulations dictated by the Basel Committee.

Most major nations also subscribe.



The U.S. Federal Reserve has been puppeted.

Basel Regulatory Capital Framework



Basel III Implementation by U.S. Federal Reserve


The FED is under *Direct* foreign banking influences of the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision


B.I.S. Basel



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:12 AM
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xuenchen
reply to post by Kukri
 



After some self-education I've had a change of concept regarding the ACA. It is @rap!

I think all federal laws are corporatist lobbied, regardless of party. The system is corrupted and it has been for a long time.


You pretty much got it.

And, the Corporatist agenda is worldwide.

The central bank systems are mostly controlled by the Basel Committee at the Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland.

The U.S. Federal Reserve has many regulations dictated by the Basel Committee.

Most major nations also subscribe.



The U.S. Federal Reserve has been puppeted.

Basel Regulatory Capital Framework



Basel III Implementation by U.S. Federal Reserve


The FED is under *Direct* foreign banking influences of the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision


B.I.S. Basel




I'm the first to admit I'm a moron when it comes to finance but I get the impression this Basel org. is set up to give a standardized structure for supervision ofr global banking. This makes sense to me if it strengthens regulations across multi-national financial institutions to prevent melt downs like we experienced in 2008. Anyway I'll leave it there so as not to derail the thread. u2u or point me to another thread if you want to explain it further.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 12:12 AM
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xuenchen
reply to post by Kukri
 



After some self-education I've had a change of concept regarding the ACA. It is @rap!

I think all federal laws are corporatist lobbied, regardless of party. The system is corrupted and it has been for a long time.


You pretty much got it.

And, the Corporatist agenda is worldwide.

The central bank systems are mostly controlled by the Basel Committee at the Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland.

The U.S. Federal Reserve has many regulations dictated by the Basel Committee.

Most major nations also subscribe.



The U.S. Federal Reserve has been puppeted.

Basel Regulatory Capital Framework



Basel III Implementation by U.S. Federal Reserve


The FED is under *Direct* foreign banking influences of the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision


B.I.S. Basel




I'm the first to admit I'm a moron when it comes to finance but I get the impression this Basel org. is set up to give a standardized structure for supervision ofr global banking. This makes sense to me if it strengthens regulations across multi-national financial institutions to prevent melt downs like we experienced in 2008. Anyway I'll leave it there so as not to derail the thread. u2u or point me to another thread if you want to explain it further.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 01:21 AM
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xuenchen
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Obama wanted single payer universal healthcare just like we have (Canada) and regardless of the BS you may have heard it works and works well (although I think dental should also be covered).


Unfortunately, The Progressive Democrats had full control of the Executive (Obama) Branch and both Chambers of Congress in 2009.

What they passed is exactly what they wanted to pass with the full support of all the Left Wing NGOs 100%.

Republicans all voted *NO* on this ObamaCare law.


Indeed. However, it should be noted that it didn't cost the Republicans anything to vote no at a time when voting no didn't have the first chance of stopping Obamacare. They obviously knew it would go right on through regardless of how they voted. It didn't need a single Republican vote.

It really needs to be said that all of these people are scum and not a single one of them can be trusted or taken at face value for a microsecond.

I personally believe this has all been scripted. We are supposed to believe there are always at least a few good guys who tried their damnedest to stop something bad from happening. Since I don't remember anything good from the Republicans when Bush was in there chewing up the Constitution, I don't trust them for a minute.

Democrats and Republicans are partners in crime as far as I'm concerned. The Republicans can always be against this as long as they don't have the power to do anything about it. If they take the WH and a majority and they get rid of Obamacare 100% completely, that's when I'll believe them.

That said, this doesn't mean we shouldn't try to vote the Democrats out. Get rid of them. We're better off with a president the country hates than one they think is a good guy.
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posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 01:28 AM
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Well it's only 174 Million sure that seems legit for a website that was only built to hold 6 ppl at a time



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 01:29 AM
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I agree.

There was enough Dem votes at the time.

The RINOs could have easily sat back to see what happens one way or the other.

They were used to it by then anyway.

Democrats took full control of Congress in the 2006 elections.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 02:05 AM
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I still want one simple answer, who in goodness name decided
on the name affordable care act, that has got to be the
biggest exaggeration i have ever seen. Calling this thing
affordable is like calling a ford fiesta a sports car.

Affordable it is not. I know because i actually checked
my rate and sheesh, i could buy a house with the cost
per month of this but instead im suppose to throw my
money away and never see it again? I would rather
buy a house and have something to show for my money.

Healthcare in and of itself is just broken, far too costly
to be realistic.... That is what i would like to see addressed.
And not by creating yet another government agency that
will just cost money and ensure our bureaucracy gets even
bigger when its already struggling under its own weight.

Sad part is i doubt any of it will matter, they seem to be
convinced this will somehow not create a huge slump in the
economy but i still fail to see how.

A ton less spending money in the hands of consumers in a
consumer based economy is obviously going to slow that
CONSUMER BASED economy as consumption drops....
Do i really need to tell them that? ugh.
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posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 03:30 AM
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bloodreviara
I still want one simple answer, who in goodness name decided
on the name affordable care act, that has got to be the
biggest exaggeration i have ever seen. Calling this thing
affordable is like calling a ford fiesta a sports car.


It's what they do. If something is bad, they call it something good and just keep hammering on it until people believe them. Like Homeland Security. They don't call it "The American Gestapo".

You can't get an Obama supporter to call it Obamacare. The always call it some variant of "ACA". They won't even call Obama by his name. They insist upon saying "The president" as though his status will be lowered if they call him "Obama".



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 04:41 AM
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BrianFlanders
why can't you do at least as much for the guy who is just like them?

Erm yes I do all the time.



BrianFlanders
Oh really? Well, then. I guess that means he's at least as bad. Right?

Yep agree 100% He just as bad.



BrianFlanders
Yes. I believe if there was a Republican president, most of the people who are sticking up for Obama because he calls himself a Democrat would be doing the right thing. Calling him out on bad policies. If you can't have a president who isn't a liar and a criminal, at least we should have a majority that has the balls to call him out on it.

And you would most likley be in Syria and Iran right now.
Just saying under those clowns you have been in just as much bother as Obama.

You needed a thrid canidate as the others sucked.

The same way things will suck if next electon you vote a mainstream Republican into office or another mainstream Democrate. Eitherway you will have to bend over and take it again.

Ameircan make me laugh, you point out the other partrys equally crap and all of a sudden your a Obama suppoter or if you cristise Obama you have to automatically be a republican
no wonder your stuck with a broken 2 partys system as you cant get your head around THIRD OPTIONS.



posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 09:21 AM
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crazyewok

The same way things will suck if next electon you vote a mainstream Republican into office or another mainstream Democrate. Eitherway you will have to bend over and take it again.


No. The reason they installed a "Democrat" in the first place was because Bush was so unpopular that they couldn't keep doing what they wanted to do under Republican rule. The protest from the liberal base was getting so loud they couldn't ignore it or cover it up.

When they put Obama in the WH, most of the liberal protest disappeared completely and did not return even when it became obvious that he was doing everything Bush was doing and more.

Why? Because these people never really cared about the abuse. Their protests were motivated 100% by partisan concerns. There were a few people here and there like myself who didn't really care what party Bush was from and knew it was going to be the same no matter what.

But here is what you don't get. These people have us by the balls. They're not going to give us a real choice. Ever. The closest thing we've got to a choice is choosing whichever candidate will force them to work harder at playing their little mind games with the public and maintaining the illusions.

Having the political landscape dominated by liberals right now is allowing them to do things that would be much more difficult with Republicans. The sheer amount of noise the liberal base makes any time a Republican does anything makes it much harder for them to continue abusive policies indefinitely under Republicans.

It's the old "good guys and bad guys" syndrome. The Dems and Reps are exactly the same behind closed doors but their respective bases (in general) don't know that. And no one is going to tell them. No one they trust, anyway. Therefore, when things don't go exactly according to plan, they have to waste more of their time, money and energy on maintaining the illusions. This is the best we can hope for and we have to try and exploit it or we're even more screwed than we already are. It also increases the odds that they will make costly mistakes that will partially expose them to a larger number of people. That's the only hope we have of ever waking enough people up to make some noise.

The people who are in the know need to look at the situations realistically. TPTB have control and they're not going to let go. The vast majority has no idea what's really going on and even if they did, the established power base would see to it that any viable third party would be infiltrated and controlled.

And frankly, a third party is not necessarily going to be better even if it isn't controlled by the same people. It could end up being a disaster. I personally have very little faith in the basic goodness of human beings.

But anyway. These are not just a bunch of idiots who just inherited their power. They're actually in power because they're smarter than pretty much everyone else. They know what they're doing and they know how to keep doing it no matter what. If they weren't masters of deceit and manipulation, they wouldn't be where they are.
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posted on Nov, 8 2013 @ 10:37 AM
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Well the fact is your srewed eitherway. Ok the republican screwing may take longer but the end results all the same.

To be honnest though I like that Rand paul. I might not agree with alot he says but he seems to actually want to do right by the people he represents and care about the constitution which like it or not are the ground rules set down when the USA was founded.
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posted on Nov, 9 2013 @ 02:48 AM
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crazyewok
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Well the fact is your srewed eitherway.


Indeed. But like I said. I'm going to use anything I have at my disposal (legally) to make it more difficult for them to do this. We may not be able to stop them but we can get in the way and slow them down. People don't live forever either. That doesn't stop you from taking steps to prolong your life. Even when you can't stop something, you can't just give up.


To be honnest though I like that Rand paul. I might not agree with alot he says but he seems to actually want to do right by the people he represents and care about the constitution which like it or not are the ground rules set down when the USA was founded.


Nah. This guy is a clown. And he's a controlled clown. If there were actually enough libertarians to make a difference, that would be fine (even if he is just an actor). But have a look around the internet. Libertarians are being vilified everywhere you look. America is too stupid to embrace libertarianism. Even in a mild form.

Socialism and authoritarianism are the things that are growing these days. Exponentially. Sad and unfortunate but true.
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posted on Nov, 9 2013 @ 05:34 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out what some of you are defending. Regardless of your political affiliation, we ended up with a dumpster fire of a bill passed. Some of you keep saying this wasn't what they wanted. If it wasn't what they wanted then why didnit the democrats pass what they did want? They had the majority in the house and the senate at the time, and passed this thing with ZERO GOP support. What a joke, keep making excuses for these incompetents. AND if this was just a ploy to get single payer insurance in place, this was one heck of an expensive way to do it, especially when we don't have money to begin with.



posted on Nov, 9 2013 @ 05:42 PM
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I find it amazing that a person who lives under a single payer system believes that Obama's insurance bailout scheme was even remotely an attempt at establishing a legitimate healthcare system in the US.





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