Is SOL system part of a Constellation?

reply to post by ManOfHart


Thanks for taking a look for us ManOfHart and yes 1 considered the 2d 3d factor which makes sense if the Astrological data was EA*RTH based. Something however gives 1 the feeling that "some" passed the data to some down here and this is what made 1 think or consider is there a more advanced chart showing SOL systems location like a map. The constellations change yes but if there was a STAR map that was used and governed by the primary STAR or Planet of interest perhaps no matter universal location the constellations could be configured the same once STAR/Planet data is entered.

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reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

The constellations change yes but if there was a STAR map that was used and governed by the primary STAR or Planet of interest perhaps no matter universal location the constellations could be configured the same once STAR/Planet data is entered.

Any constellation is based SOLely on 1z perspective.

Sitting on my front porch I can view surrounding houses as "constellations". From my front yard, my house (which represents Sol in this example) can be considered in constellation X with the surrounding houses from that perspective.
As I walk around my house (like travelling around Sol through the Universe) it appears in different "constellations".

Hope that helps.

From a different star, they wouldn't see the same constellations as we, because relative positions of stars would be different from their point of view. So they wouldn't see the Sun, say, in Orion or Taurus. They would have their own constellations, and the Sun would probably be somewhere there.

Thing is, the Sun isn't a very bright star. Our constellations are made mostly of blue giants and other massive and very bright stars (which is why it's so easy to see them with the naked eye). For aliens, the Sun will probably be just one of those small dim stars residing within a constellation.

Do extraterrestrial civilisations go through stages of religion, astrology, and alchemy, like we did? Interesting.

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


Long ago wandering nomad's and primative people's looked up to the heavens at the constant light's of the star's and among them were particularly bright lights that after the sun and moon were worshipped by these people.
Then at some point the mind of these people started to think in an abstract fashion and they simply joined the dot's, it is concievable that the ancient hunter gatherer's could see mammoth and great sloth, sabre tooth and mastodon constellations but as these species disappeared there descendant's forgot and other interpretations were made such as the bear (Ursa Major and Ursa Minor).

Not all of these star patterns are actually related as clusters, from our perspective we may see the brightest stars of several clusters and each cluster began in a stellar nursery which was a cloud of dust from the earliest mega stars and formed from the material clouds ejected from these exploded spectacular supernova.

Our star the sun or SOLaris was formed in a stella nursery and is part of a local group but would likely only be regarded as part of a constellation at close observation as it is a G2 dwarf star and relatively inconspicuous from long range observation, it's clostest neighbour is Proxima Centuari a small red dwarf at approximately 4.35 light years distant and in the constellation of the Centaur followed by our second closest neighbour Alpha and Beta Centauri a binary star system.

In general the brighter the star the more likely it is to be included in a constellation by ancient people, they were used in astrology, they were a two dimensional concept seen as draped over the cloth of the night and astronomy inherited the concept from there, the earth is not in a constellation (At least not one made up in our own solar system) but in astrological terms as constellations pass behind the sun from our perspective it is said that the sun is passing through that constellation.

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

If you draw a line between us and the Belt of Orion, and then project it backwards in the opposite direction-
Sol could well be a star in that Belt to anyone located along that line.

In short, our star could belong to any one of the constellations to someone standing in the right places.

This reminds me of a tweet where someone claimed the our sun is a sun not a star, after being told that the sun was a star.

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DenyObfuscation, 1 can see what you are sharing and it makes sense.

Following the OP premise combined with your post, if there was a group of house builders far off in distance from Constellation X as well as other constellations seen from Constellation X that assist in building houses and they shared with you the different groups of houses in the nearing vicinity. Is it possible those same house builders who shared those house groups in the local observable vicinity with you also shared with other house groups Constellation X in which your house sits?

It just seems there is more associated with Astrological constellation data of EA*RTH speculative of course.
(still intrigues 1 how certain astrological signs are tied to and reflect in personalities) and so 1 wondered what would other house groups SEE in the near vicinity if they were looking @ your house in Constellation X from their perspective and are there behaviors associated with Constellation X?

It would be nice if communications existed that could be shared between neighborhoods and some in other neighborhoods could say what they see when viewing Constellation X...

Thanks for taking time to share DenyObfuscation, I like how you referenced the house analogy

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wildespace
From a different star, they wouldn't see the same constellations as we, because relative positions of stars would be different from their point of view. So they wouldn't see the Sun, say, in Orion or Taurus. They would have their own constellations, and the Sun would probably be somewhere there.

Agreed what could/would that constellation be that they see 1 wonders. This is what 1 was thinking when making the OP. Further if there was some advanced star chart that you could enter say a Planet or STAR to get perspective from the entered point what would be seen from Aldebaran or Alcyone or Thuban for example of course from these different perspective it would change just would be interesting to see.

wildespace
Do extraterrestrial civilizations go through stages of religion, astrology, and alchemy, like we did? Interesting.

Interesting question but if the data was passed down it could be possible Thanks wildespace your input was is appreciated.

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reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


That depends on what part of the galaxy you are looking. The constellations we see in the sky are not necessarily stars that are all grouped near each other. They may only appear to be near each other as we view them from Earth. There could be two stars that look to be side-by-side in a constellation, but one may be close to our solar system and one may be far, far beyond (just like you can see a tree 50 meters away from you in front of a mountain that is 10 km away).

An example would be Orion's Belt. The three stars in Orion's Belt (Alnitak, Alnilam and Mintaka) are not all near each other in 3D space -- they only look that way when we view them in 2D against the dome of the sky. Two of them are near each other, but one is more than double the distance from our solar system than the other two. So, in reality, the other two stars in Orion's Belt are closer to our solar system than they are to the third star.

So from some specific location in space, our Sun may look to be part of a constellation that includes those first two stars in Orion's belt, but not the third. Than again, from some other specific location in space, our sun may not look to be near any of those stars at all.

Of course, as viewed from Ceti Omicron III, Sol is part of the constellation Purgamentum.

You do realize that constellations are an earthly construct right?

reply to post by LABTECH767


Logical observation LABTECH767 with the ancients observing and making their own potential discriptions potentially. They would of had to of been advanced in some ways aswell to be able to track the times some of these constellitaions were due to be in the EA*RTH sky including those that wouldnt be seen for many years in the future... This makes 1 think some kind of Astrological assistance was shared from "others" elsewhere w/ some here, subjective of course but how did or could they know for example so many years in the future that some constallations would show up.

Its accepted that over time some observers would change or SEE different forms depending on the time periods associated and animals related but what of DRACO did they see Draconaz, hmm? It just interest me that there are behaviors associated with birth dates related to these STAR configurations. I have tried to see the scientific data associated to behaviors but cannot and it seems for these STAR configurations to be related from STAR sign to behavior that something more may be at play, could be wrong just seems like for personalities to be accurately associated some somewhere knew something (maybe certain STAR/Planet energies are in the skies during birth periods). If its all randomness involved then the coincidences are astonishing to 1. Have you ever spoke with someone and they acted or carried personality said to be associated with a particular STAR sign, not to mention Horoscopes which 1 also cannot understand the science related if any, unless its all random.

The STAR clusters and distances, yes 1 agrees from EA*RTH perspective they are not all in same distance and locations and the BRIGHTEST STARS make up the more visual aspects of the clusters. Did sapiens sapiens and the ascendants the come from just wake up 1 day and begin to understand the relations to these STARS and human behavior or was some teaching done? Questions 1 is still pondering. Thank you for taking time to share in the thread LABTECH767

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DISRAELI
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In short, our star could belong to any one of the constellations to someone standing in the right places.

Agreed DISRAELI.
Do you feel the personality traits of humans associated to these EA*RTH observed STAR configurations and horoscopes are real or mystic coincidental?
Not to mention certain hidden worshipping practices said to be related to certain configurations thru time. Thanks for stopping thru to add

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it appears they may need a bit more education in the Cosmic fields of Science roadgravel

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This adds to the distance and perspective associated with what is seen which 1 agrees with you on, for from different locations, different STAR configurations are observed Soylent Green Is People.

Where did that personality data come from though? Do you feel its randomness associated with ancient mythological tales or something more intelligent?
Thank you for providing the scale and reference point input as it helps to assist some in SEEing how the STAR placements are observed.

If only the SPACE bros/sis could take a look and were allowed to share

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damwel

You do realize that constellations are an earthly construct right?

1 is not sure damwel if only EA*RTH constructs but it can or may be. Logical observation. As asked to others where does the personality data associated come from though or is it nothing but random coincidences?

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1 appreciates ALL* for coming into the thread and providing the different insights shared. To reiterate for any willing to answer further, is there a connection between these STAR configurations and human personality or is there no connection @ all? Feel free to answer if possible for this is what makes 1 think something more beyond EA*RTH influence is associated. Even if some came here and shared within the collective their data with humanity, because @ times I do feel that personally traits are carried by 1 associated with the STAR configuration of the birth of my flesh...

Thanks again ALL*

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Ophiuchus 13
Logical observation LABTECH767 with the ancients observing and making their own potential discriptions potentially. They would of had to of been advanced in some ways aswell to be able to track the times some of these constellitaions were due to be in the EA*RTH sky including those that wouldnt be seen for many years in the future... This makes 1 think some kind of Astrological assistance was shared from "others" elsewhere w/ some here, subjective of course but how did or could they know for example so many years in the future that some constallations would show up...

The constellations have not changed too much since the birth of human civilization. The constellations we see, and the general arrangement of the stars in those constellations, are basically the same for us today as they were when early civilizations first started describing them.

Sure -- the stars have moved a little, but the change has been slight over the history of civilization, and hasn't really changed the basic shapes of the constellations. A bigger change to the night sky is caused by precession -- which is the 26,000-year cycle of Earth's wobble on its axis. However, that wobble does not change locations of specific stars relative to each other (would not change the look of constellations), but would change where all of the stars in the sky (as a whole) appear in our sky and when seasonally.

Ophiuchus 13
If so which one?

It is an uneasy question to answer, but 1 was just wondering if ANY had a clue if the STAR SOL and its SOLar system was part of a Constellation group.

Imaginations welcome.

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Short answer is no. Not yet. Constellations are (until proven otherwise) a human invention. Not until we leave this little rock and travel far enough away and gaze back up at the distant stars, which now include earth among them, and we decide our little speck of light looks like it's part of something.

Ophiuchus 13
If so which one?

It is an uneasy question to answer, but 1 was just wondering if ANY had a clue if the STAR SOL and its SOLar system was part of a Constellation group.

Imaginations welcome.

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What makes you think constellations exist they are due to line of sight so stars in the same constellation can be hundreds of lights years closer or further from Earth than other stars in the constellation .

See example below.

Orion Distances

It's proximity when it involves our Sun maybe ?
As there has been no one to give an outside our solar system opinion.
So the closest stars to us, I say make up a constellation.
Even though magnitude and loose forms rule our ideas of such things.