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Israel launches strike on Gaza City

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posted on Aug, 7 2002 @ 07:07 PM
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Have I missed something? I haven't seen American flags on Israeli equipment.

No, it's a good thing that we support Israel. No, maybe it would be a good thing if we didn't, because then they could sit around and chant "Peace!" and I'm sure the Palestinians would stop blowing up their women and children, and I'm sure that their neighbors would have a change of heart, and I'm sure that the Hamas would withdraw their stated intentions of wiping the Jew from Israel.
Yeah, that makes since.

Let's not go to South Africa, considering the state of disrepair it has fallen into since the great revolution. Any individual that would intentionally blow up a tavern can't be expected to think rationally, anyway!




posted on Aug, 7 2002 @ 10:25 PM
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oh, i seen a few reports on cable "media"...with guys holding up the a artillery parts with the american flag on them.

so palestinians should just give into being under occupation? because if they hadn't fought back from the beginning their land would've been stolen right from under them completely and there prolly wouldn't be any palestinians today...so they should just what??? pick up life and move to Jordan??? why don't you just pick up life and move to Canada because i say so??? no you won't, because it's against human nature to be robbed and stepped on without finding some means to fight back. their means are unacceptable but their fight is necessary.

and on the SA question a simple yes or no would do. did you support what Nelson and his "terrorist" did to win their freedom? (that's an open question to all).

cause today's terrorist is tomorrow's revolutionary...that's just how it goes.



posted on Aug, 7 2002 @ 10:34 PM
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NO, blowing up peoples places is not acceptable.Now look at the shambles South Africa is in.It's one of the most violent places in the world.All terrorism brings is more terrorism.



posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 05:51 AM
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The Palestinians aren't being "occupied"; that goes to prove that if a lie is told long enough it will be accepted without question.
Sounds as if you are being selective on your murder, by the way. And, nobody told them they had to leave, they could have been part of a thriving community, but the Arab hatred toward the Jew was stronger. There is no organized teaching of hating the Palestinian, but their is toward the Jew. The murder you don't like is wrong, that which is think is necessary is acceptable, and hate is quite allright.I fear I'm beginning to see you in a different light. Hopefully I'm not understanding your point.



posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 07:11 AM
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Peh, always with the 'anti american' bull#. You know better than that MM. But perhaps sometimes you could take as step back and look through a few other peoples point of view.

It seems a shame that so many of the qualities that the US used to hold and promote so highly are being destroyed by this war on terror.

Thinks like equality, compassion, justice, all them old things.

Was it really only white christian americans killed in the attacks of sept 11? I dont remember reading that at all...

Should the people who perpetrated these attacks and those who support them be brought to justice? Abso#inglutely, but should hard working innocent civilians be forced to pay for these crimes, when their only link to the criminals is the colour of their skin?

Thats why I'm saying hooray for ignorance. Dont give me this anti american liberal blah blah bull#, cut the terrorists to pieces and burn the bastards slowly, its what they deserve. But this internal hatred and bigotry is only helping the terrorists cause. Its a worry that you guys cannot see that.

As far as the palestinians go, thats another matter entirely. You guys are talking about depriving your own countrymen of their Civil Rights and their Freedom.


dom

posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 08:10 AM
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As regards the Palestinians being occupied... Thomas, open your eyes. The West Bank is populated by Palestinians. 100,000 Israelis have been moved in to settlements in the West Bank and Gaza, directly contravening 3 different UN resolutions.

And the US gives Isarel practically all the money it needs for it's military, including nuclear technology. It might aswell have a US flag on it.

And MM - there are certainly some US policies I disagree with. And the fact I do? That's called freedom of speech. We don't live in an American-led global dictatorship just yet..



posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 10:20 AM
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Dom, I could care less what US policies you disagree with. If you aren't from the US, then you really shouldn't be caring about our policies but the one's you have to follow by your own country. If you are from America, which I hope to God your not, you should be ashamed of yourself! Youre no better than those suicide bombers in Israel!


dom

posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 10:42 AM
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WTF are you talking about?

If the US is about to try and start a fight between the West and the Middle East then I think it concerns me. And more to the point, if I'm not allowed to comment on US policy in the Middle East, then why does the US think it has any right at all to interfere in the Middle East?

And if I was an American what would I have done wrong? To question the policies of the holy government of the holy land?



posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 05:26 PM
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TC, at this point in our involvement it should go without saying that i don't support the actions of Hamas and i didn't support Mandela either. so yes, you prolly are misunderstanding me...of course when i say fight i mean-by using nonviolent means. thus, their means are unacceptable but their "fight" is necessary.

i'm not equipped to say whether or not palestinians are taught to hate jews...but i will say that fear breeds hate...and troops in your streets and check points that are degrading is a form of "teaching hate". if the Jews feel hated maybe they only have themselves to blame. same for anyone who allows their government to oppress a people.

nyeff, murder only brings about more murder just like so called "terrorism" but you plainly advocate some murder...why is it different when the cause is one you oppose, then the murder is totally wrong and unjustified and you wish death to those that commit these crimes--which makes you guilty of the same crime you accuse them of. why not say all murder is wrong in any form...that way you don't come off looking and sounding like a hypocrite. everyone has reasons, none of them are valid.

ha, there's my point TC.



posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 07:22 PM
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I am with you now, Saphie.
The fact that the PA teaches the children, in the textbooks even, that the Jew is subhuman and the notion of killing Jews as well as blowing one's self up in order to kill as many Jews as possible, is glorified. By the way, take a step back and look around the rest of the region. Who is jumping up and down to have them settle in their country? The Palestinians were nomadic, they had no country, and they are as much a part of Jordan, Syria or Egypt, but none of these nations are willing to welcome them with open arms.

Don't forget the origins of the problem. Don't forget that these people were encouraged to stay in refugee camps by the other countrie. Their "brothers" told them to stay there; eventually the Jews will be wiped out and that territory will be their's. Agression comenced against Israel not long after her birth in one day, and it hasn't stopped. This is not new; if you remember, Arafat was a terrorist long before he was the PA leader. The tiny state of Israel has had to fight for her survival since the beginning, the Arab world has wanted her dead, and the Palestinians have been used as pawns against her.

Yet, the Palestinians rejoice at the news of Jewish women and children being blown up and never ask why they aren't welcomed in Syria.

My eyes are open, Dom. And I can remember past the last two years, and I don't gobbble up the bull-hokey fed to me by the Communist News Network, that are not so much mis-informing with what they report than they are by what they don't report.



posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 07:45 PM
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Justice is for peacetime, and is not for those who have declared war on us. What you shoot for in wartime is victory.
Don't attempt to belittle whit male Christians or the damage that was inflicted upon our nation. You should know that the assault was not directed at just the people, but the economic institution as well as our government. You may not understand it from your point of view, but from here, we understand.

We weren't attacked by white male Christians, or yellow North Carolinian communists (a joke from that other thread
), so it would be stupid to look at them as the next possible direction of attack. Politically correct bullcrap is a stupid reason for the nest batch of people to die. Losing a war is one thing, but losing it because of touch-feely politically correct softness is just plain, plain, well, just plain ol' stupid!



posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 08:10 PM
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Your right Domkey, freedom of speech is the God given right of every American, and perhaps where you are from to. Unfortunately, when people like yourself open their mouths, it becomes apparent that your anus is located on your face just under your nose. I really feel sorry for you, people like you make me wish there was no freedom of speech. But thats just wishful thinking, from the number of direct responses your posts get it is reasonably apparent that my low opinion of you is shared by many of the people who I do respect. Please forgive me if I ignore your hatred spewed speeches, you are a turd, and if I catch you in my toilet I am going to flush you down the drain.



posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 08:47 PM
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well, that was erm...nasty.

as an american i say racial profiling under any circumstances is wrong and unconstitutional...you guys maybe ready to toss out the constitution but i'm not. we have certain laws that we have to live by and respecting people's rights no matter their race, gender, nationality...and all that stuff is more than touchy feel-ee bull crap to me and the people that fought to have all that "touchy feel-ee" stuff added to the constitution. sheesh, one attack and yall ready to just hand it all over outta fear. i bet if the Soviets knew that we would all be speakin Russian and swillin vodka.

TC, we will never agree about palestinians and isreali's...i don't agree with nothing you posted and i'm sure you know that.
ah well. i just hope that someone stops killing someone. i don't care who.



posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 09:34 PM
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We don't have to agree, but you'll know the facts before you decide to base your opinions on spin.

There is no violation of the constitution in defending the nation, and there is no article, either in the constitution, the Bill of Rights, or even in the original Articles of Confederation, that implies that common sense is wrong.

Honestly, you should be glad that there is a difference of some sort that can make it easier to spot potential enemies. To ignore that difference is negligent, and endangering everyone, to include those that look like the terrorists but aren't. As Kano stated, it wasn't just white Christians that died in last year's attack.

By the way, are you saying that the Arab nations are not responsible for the plight of the Palestinians, and aren't to be held as reprehensible for watching their plight without lifting a finger, and are you denying the history of the region?

While we are at it, a couple of years ago, the Israelis lost their mind and offered the PA more than they could have ever dreamed of, but they balked because they weren't given Jeruselem to be their capital. Keep in mind, they have absolutely no historical tie to the city David built, have never ruled over it or been based out of it, yet they demand it. And they turned down everything else they asked for because they weren't given that one ridiculous and unreasonable point. The leaders of the Arab world and the leader of the PA want no peace. Agree with it or not. Ignore it if you want. Makes no difference to me, and it makes no difference to those who use the Palestinians, and it doesn't change the suffering on any side.


dom

posted on Aug, 9 2002 @ 04:10 AM
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Mutilator - You are basically my definition of what is wrong with the US. Congratulations.



posted on Aug, 9 2002 @ 05:38 AM
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Well, come on, Dom, you gotta understand that we get tired of being knocked. Israel is the only government in that region that has a democratically elected government and a enterprise system that is recognizable to ours so why wouldn't we find them to be our allies? That doesn't make them our territory. The money and equipment we give them helps them survive in a corner of the world that hates them, and the money doesn't make them our satelite anymore than the Marshall Plan made Germany one.

M-M isn't what's wrong with this nation personified at all. While I do find an outside viewpoint valuable and very useful, but as far as determining what is wrong with this nation, the outside viewpoint is usually off the mark. Maybe you meant to say it is what you don't like about this nation.


dom

posted on Aug, 9 2002 @ 08:10 AM
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I don't like the unilateral policies which seem to come from the US. Seemingly because the US has a self-image of itself as a country which is a global bastion of peace, honour, love, truth and beauty.

And if any one should object with those policies... well that's irrelevant, if not wrong.

Basically I don't like the fact that the US doesn't feel that it's necessary to take any one elses point of view into account.

Now I understand that this is not always the case with US foreign policy, it's just that Bush's administration are very keen on their unilateralism. And it's something I don't like.

Certainly I don't think the US works from a position of stupidity, so the analogy isn't perfect.



posted on Aug, 9 2002 @ 06:35 PM
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TC, no i don't believe the arab world have any responsibility to the palestinians. just like we don't have any responsibility to Mexico or Canada-yet we are all americans, just like they are all arabs. they are independant nation-states
whether or not they choose to help palestine is up to them.

so far as Arafat turning down the so called "deal of a lifetime-going once, gone" the deal was almost sealed until Clinton brought in Jerusalem, sabotage if you ask me....everyone there knew Arafat couldn't accept that-it wasn't even on the table. no self-respecting muslim would have accepted it. while you refuse to acknowledge the fact that there is a historical Islamic tie to Jerusalem (the prophet made his accent to heaven from the roof of the mosque there) muslims aren't so selective in their history. so they fight over whose claim to the "holiest of holy cities" is valid.

while you seem not to understand that i could careless whose flag is flying over that strip of dirt--it is the truth, i don't care. i don't favor palestine over isreal. i just feel as the party in control of the situation, they should have made peace a reality a long time ago...instead of this madness...end the occupation and allow for a palestinian state...nothing else is going to free their people from the constant terror. they are living with an enemy that they not only created but that they feed--everytime they attack they grow hatred in a new generation.

violence will never solve this problem, i'm in agreement with Colin Powell on this one...there has to be an independant Palestine, there has to be an end to the settlements, there has to be a diplomatic compromise--without that, both sides will keep burying their loved ones. but, isreal refuses all of those things--therefore to me, it is their bag.



posted on Aug, 9 2002 @ 07:13 PM
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As long as it isn't Israel who defends herself, and as long as it is Isael who caves in to pressure, you don't care.

As long as it isn't Israel's flag flying over the strip of land that you admitted is small, its ok.

As long as Israel is the one who takes care of the Palestinians and not those who own at-root responsibility, its hunky-dorey.

But you aren't against Israel, or biased in any way. All you want is peace.



posted on Aug, 11 2002 @ 02:11 AM
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Even the israelis admit that to win their war by military means they would have to think in terms of genocide.

To use a flanderism, theyre in a dilly of a pickle.



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