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reply to post by KellyPrettyBear
You're prescribing to the idea that life is relatively new on Earth. If you're going to believe in Aliens, you might as well believe that science doesn't have everything figured out now just like they didn't when they believe the Earth was flat.
We have used what we know about the universe to place constraints on what is likely and what is unlikely and even what is impossible.
If we didn't do that, you and I would not be using computers on the internet.
When I made the remark about about sun-like stars in the immediate vicinity of the Pleiades, I should, of course, have said immediate apparent vicinity.
There are at least three Sun-like stars in the immediate vicinity of the Pleiades star cluster. I suppose it could be that some being from one of these stars could use it as a familiar landmark, saying 'I'm from the Pleiades' rather than try to explain about actually being from an obscure, largely unknown star very near it. This isn't uncommon in human parlance, where someone may say they're from the nearest incorporated town, even though they live outside the city limits.
The three stars in question are HD 282943, BD +23493, and HD 283271. Interestingly, the latter is only about 16 light years away. Distances to the other two have proved elusive, so far. All are of G type; very similar to our Sun. Their respective coordinates are:
Right Ascension 3 hours, 47 minutes, 44.12 seconds; Declination +26 degrees, 36 minutes, 17.4 seconds.
R.A. 3 hrs., 42 min., 55.86 sec; Decl. +23 degr., 52 min., 34.82 sec.
R.A. 3 h. 59 m. 21.12 s. Decl. +24 d. 22 m. 48.4 s.
That of the Pleiades cluster itself, approximately: R.A. 3h 47 m 24s, Decl. 24 d. 7 m.edit on 6-11-2013 by Ross 54 because: added information
Well... the problem with that is when you rotate the Pleiades and those stars around in 3D space (like in Celestia) that explanation falls apart because they no longer would line up.
Another thing that many overlook is that the stars of the Pleiades themselves are widely separated by as much as 1,000 light years.
Its like when contactees and other new agers talk about contacts with beings from different constellations (Pisces, Aquarius, etc).
I laugh because they think this is somehow convincing when it is actually the converse.
The constellations are how WE chose to organize stars a long time ago. The stars in each constellation have nothing to do with each other in age, distance, or any other observable thing other than where they sit on OUR sky.
It was a way of organizing stars using pareidolia (seeing pictures and patterns in things) where none really existed, at a time when people thought the earth was flat and the sky was like a big black flat curtain that came down every night.
Aliens skies would be much different than ours due to the position of their point of origin, therefore its unlikely they'd say they were from one of our arbitrary sets of stars based on primitive pictures.
Even here on Earth, astronomers use stellar catalogs based on certain criteria (age, luminosity, distance, presence of planets, etc). They only time they refer to constellations is either because a star contains a constellation in its name ie: Alpha Centarui, 47 Ursa Majoris, 82 Eridani. Or when they are pointing something out to the general public.
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The level of ignorance on this site is sometimes astounding... why does everything in the universe Have to be based on earths model? Is it not possible something, somewhere is different or beyond our current undrrstanding Of life and the universe?
Indeed, perhaps they are not. I await objective evidence that higher dimensional spaces and alternate universes actually exist, are inhabitable, and that it is possible for beings in another such domain to travel to ours and meaningfully interact with us. In the meantime, since we know that our own universe exists, can give rise to life and intelligence, and admits of our traveling about in it, it seems the the most likely source of those supposed 'extraterrestrials'.
Your only thinking three dimensionally, think multi-dimensional or multiverseal when thinking of extra-terrestrials. Perhaps they are not "extra-terrestrial" at all?
reply to post by HUMBLEONE
Hell, I'm thinking maybe; skiing on Tau Ceti's Ice world this year...may be a bit extreme, but could be great fun! What do ya think JadeStar? Yeah, that was a bit "silly" but, who knows...in 50 years...
I must apologize for adding My thoughts. Of course, I was typing about "people" from My planet. Your planet may have different customs and/or theories. "People" from My planet are a little easier going. "We" don't tolerate strife and questioning another's thought processes and/or ideas. If someBody told Me they were from the planet Zob, what can I possibly gain from questioning Him/Her? absolutely "Nothing"
Are You absolutely certain that this 'person' isn't from Zob? He/She kinda has Zobian tendencies...