Active Shooter in Garden State Plaza Mall, New Jersey

reply to post by Wookiep


Garden State Plaza is 2 1/4 million square ft - about 150 stores, multiple enterences/exits

Plenty of places to hide

Mikeultra
I just checked about the name of the mall in Kenya. It's the Westgate Mall. Does it have a connection to the Westfield Group? Apparently it does.
goldenageofgaia.com...

edit on 5-11-2013 by Mikeultra because: goldenage link

So the Paramus Mall is closed today. Perfect conditions for wiring the place with explosives for future event.

edit on 5-11-2013 by Mikeultra because: (no reason given)

Garden State Plaza is closed on Sunday - as are many other stores in Bergen County becuase of local "blue laws"

Mikeultra

Diabolical

Asktheanimals
Well, well. It's another incident at a Westfield mall. Just like in Kenya. Westfield properties is owned by Frank Lowy who also owned the rights to the shopping concourse at the WTC and collected part of the $7 billion payout along with Silverstein..
www.truthology.org.au...
Many people predicted if there were more mall "shootings" it would happen in a Westfield mall.
No injuries?
Why so much news coverage then?
Another reeking pile of FFBS.

edit on 5-11-2013 by Asktheanimals because: added link

Now that is interesting. You should check the background to the airport and see if there's a connection.

Ask and ye shall receive!

"HMS Host, a concession partner of WESTFIELD at Los Angeles International Airport, will host a job fair next week to fill more than 280 food service job openings. Positions to be filled by HMS Host include fast-food attendant, cashier, barista, bartender, cook, host or hostess, shift supervisor, warehouse team supervisor, and more."

"Interested applicants are asked to apply online at www.lawa.org/bjrc no later than July 18, to be considered for a pre-scheduled interview. HMS Host requires all candidates to also apply at www.hmshost.com under “Careers” and search by location. Job seekers must submit online applications to secure an interview at the fair."

"For additional information on these and other non-construction jobs available at LAX, visit the LAWA Business and Job Resources Center at www.lawa.org/bjrc."

westfieldatlax.com...-559

I'm not paranoid now, am I ? It's just a coincidence say the conformists with the normalcy bias.
corporate.westfield.com...

edit on 5-11-2013 by Mikeultra because: Westfield link

Mikeultra
Oh God, this has now come full circle back to the World Trade Center!

corporate.westfield.com...

video.corporate.westfield.com...

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Such revealing information...
Key Player:
Mark Stefanek

reply to post by matafuchs


Motif of this shooting is not yet released or found, as far as I know.
There has been speculation by cops that he was waiting for someone.
www.nydailynews.com...

newyork.cbslocal.com...
He didn't hurt anybody. There are a couple of reports of the shooter saying he wasn't going to hurt anybody. The suicide note was inconsistent with your typical suicide note:

Molinelli would not call it a suicide note, but said it did “express that an end is coming. It could have been prison. It could have been what he did last night. It gave his family reason to reach out to us.”

reply to post by cd5love96


Look I believe you , as I posted earlier , I think he was set up through his interest in acting.

The suspected shooter worked a couple of blocks from my home at Victor's Pizza and everyone said he was a great kid and nobody suspected anything of him.

"Hey mate , they just called me at casting , they've had a look at your bio and they feel your perfect for a new movie their going to be shooting a mall scene , Could you gear up like a bikie/terrorist and run down there."

Watching the story on the news, a thought occurred to me.....

Could these strange events be a 'training' ground for response units?!



Not only is it serving the propaganda for gun control, it's getting people used to (and WANTING) more police control.

It's obvious the Colorado shooter was zoned to the max. They learned (TPTB?) not to leave living evidence...and destroy as much physical evidence as possible. The numbers are not adding up.....
We are being led down a path that 'I' don't want to go. It's too late for 'whistle blowers' to save us; WE, THE PEOPLE need to figure out the 'agenda' before it's too late.
Personally, I think the bell has already been rung.

Ms.Nugget

firefight

Mikeultra
I just checked about the name of the mall in Kenya. It's the Westgate Mall. Does it have a connection to the Westfield Group? Apparently it does.
goldenageofgaia.com...

edit on 5-11-2013 by Mikeultra because: goldenage link

So the Paramus Mall is closed today. Perfect conditions for wiring the place with explosives for future event.

edit on 5-11-2013 by Mikeultra because: (no reason given)

Garden State Plaza is closed on Sunday - as are many other stores in Bergen County becuase of local "blue laws"

Yes? But today is Tuesday. You're saying that they could wire it up on any Sunday? That's true but it's totally closed today. Law enforcement is there all by themselves. They're probably doing an "re-enactment" of last nights "shooting" for the surveillance cameras. Or just making sure they haven't incriminated themselves.

Something is way out of balance with respect to hundreds of cops showing up from all over, including the Port Authority of NY and NJ, to a report of one gunman in a mall. It's like a party atmosphere for these wanna-be soldier/cops. In their minds they think of themselves as being at war, like that's something to look forward to. It's like a volunteer fireman lighting fires. Look at the emergency manage tour bus, traveling from one created disaster after another. Coming to a town near you soon.

reply to post by SkyLiner


He's an evil looking guy. I did a search on him and there's a lot to sift through. Tell me what you know about him.

They are cruelly taking advantage of these young people's desire to better themselves, and then they destroy them:

www.usnews.com...
As recently as last week, Shoop had spoken about a potential new job and seemed especially happy about it, according to a woman who said she had known him since they were little.
"He told me that he was going to get a new job at this TV place and he was going to make good money," Madison Barbarini said.

Compare to the account of Trey Sesler, 22, arrested on 3-20-12 for killing his parents and older brother in Waller, TX. He had planned on then shooting up his alma mater, Waller High School:

dmnewsi.com...
Just days before the murders, Sesler posted a one-minute video indicating that he was excited about a new job. “The good news is that I now have found a full-time job in a department that I am interested in, which is film ,” he said in the March 13 footage to his viewers. See video here:
www.youtube.com...
"I've been recognized by some people, and I'm going to be doing some good stuff "

reply to post by starviego


Yep that's exactly how they are doing it. Offering these kids work or something to do with their dreams coming true and then they set them up as patsy's and fake the mental illness rubbish and plant the gun stuff and play games with their little tin soldiers.

The DHS :- Department of human scum.

I think his big TV gig was [SNIP] porn site. He did a gay porn named origh twins. His DJ friends used twitter to get people to go to the mall and lay flowers. Those same guys are contacting all the media stations to give him a better image in the press.

pbs.twimg.com...:large

pbs.twimg.com...:large

instagram.com...

pbs.twimg.com...:large

instagram.com...

This guy seems to be the one who got the group together to do this.
twitter.com...

And this guy.
twitter.com...

This is the guys twitter.
twitter.com...

JBA2848
[SNIP]

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So if this is the case, then is it not plausible that someone was going to go "pubic" on this other life of his, and he decided to go out in a "suicide by cop" manner, and get as much press coverage as he could? However, when it came down to actually shooting people, he couldn't. Perhaps that made him feel like a failure, and then crawled into the hole and took his own life?

JBA2848 He did a gay porn named origh twins.

Do you have a source for that?

reply to post by Krakatoa


Your guess is as good as mine. The gay thing I have avoided looking into. The one thing that caught my eye was that name Urigh twins. Urigh is some thing like Bosnia or Serbia. Maybe his family came from there? But there has been middle school pictures of him put on the internet. So it would have been along time ago.

twitter.com...

reply to post by starviego


He used it as a background picture on his twitter page.

twitter.com...

Yeah, but how do you know he was IN the film? He doesn't look like one of the 'Origh Twins.'

Something is way out of balance with respect to hundreds of cops showing up from all over, including the Port Authority of NY and NJ, to a report of one gunman in a mall. It's like a party atmosphere for these wanna-be soldier/cops. In their minds they think of themselves as being at war, like that's something to look forward to. It's like a volunteer fireman lighting fires. Look at the emergency manage tour bus, traveling from one created disaster after another. Coming to a town near you soon.

reply to post by Mikeultra



Did yoi miss the point that Garden State Plaza is over 2.2 million square feet on 2 levels with 150 stores?

THere are multiple enterences/exits in and out

There atr literally thousabds of places to hide

Thats is why need hunfreds of cops

To establish perimeter and search every nook insides

Mikeultra
Something is way out of balance with respect to hundreds of cops showing up from all over, including the Port Authority of NY and NJ, to a report of one gunman in a mall. It's like a party atmosphere for these wanna-be soldier/cops. In their minds they think of themselves as being at war, like that's something to look forward to. It's like a volunteer fireman lighting fires. Look at the emergency manage tour bus, traveling from one created disaster after another. Coming to a town near you soon.

Except for the size of the mall with all the entrances and exits..
Oh and the number of people in the mall..
and the fact that police were getting multiple different reports of a shooter or multiple shooters.

opethPA

Mikeultra
Something is way out of balance with respect to hundreds of cops showing up from all over, including the Port Authority of NY and NJ, to a report of one gunman in a mall. It's like a party atmosphere for these wanna-be soldier/cops. In their minds they think of themselves as being at war, like that's something to look forward to. It's like a volunteer fireman lighting fires. Look at the emergency manage tour bus, traveling from one created disaster after another. Coming to a town near you soon.

Except for the size of the mall with all the entrances and exits..
Oh and the number of people in the mall..
and the fact that police were getting multiple different reports of a shooter or multiple shooters.

Can you explain why there was not one ambulance called to the Paramus Mall, not one fire truck, the only things there were police! Compare that response to LAX, where there was every piece of equipment you can imagine.

Remember there were hundreds of people locked inside the mall. Wouldn't it have been wise to have ambulances there if the possibility exists for casualties? I watched the chopper live feed that night, and there were zero ambulances there! Find me a video or photo from that night showing a single ambulance, prove me wrong!

Also consider the growing list that all these events seem to have the Westfield Group in common tying them together. 911-Westgate Mall in Kenya -LAX - Paramus Mall. That's just for starters, I'm sure I can find some more.

Here's a Google Earth view of Ground Zero in NYC. Look at the small triangular park outlined in green. That is the Silverstein Family Park. It was built in the footprint of WTC7. To the west of the park is the new WTC7. Look at the park on Google Earth, it is built to resemble the Eye of Providence seen on the reverse side of the U.S. dollar bill on top of the pyramid.



"In 1782, the Eye of Providence was adopted as part of the symbolism on the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States. It was first suggested as an element of the Great Seal by the first of three design committees in 1776 and is thought to be the suggestion of the artistic consultant, Pierre Eugene du Simitiere.[5]
Original design for the Great Seal by Simitiere."

"On the seal, the Eye is surrounded by the words Annuit Cœptis, meaning "He approves (or has approved) [our] undertakings", and Novus Ordo Seclorum, meaning "New Order of the Ages". The Eye is positioned above an unfinished pyramid with thirteen steps, representing the original thirteen states and the future growth of the country. The lowest level of the pyramid shows the year 1776 in Roman numerals. The combined implication is that the Eye, or God, favors the prosperity of the United States."

"Perhaps due to its use in the design of the Great Seal, the Eye has made its way into other American seals and logos, notably the Seal of Colorado and DARPA's Information Awareness Office. It is also part of the City Seal of Kenosha, Wisconsin."

"Today, the Eye of Providence is usually associated with Freemasonry. The Eye first appeared as part of the standard iconography of the Freemasons in 1797, with the publication of Thomas Smith Webb's Freemasons Monitor.[6] Here, it represents the all-seeing eye of God and is a reminder that a Mason's thoughts and deeds are always observed by God (who is referred to in Masonry as the Great Architect of the Universe). Typically, the Masonic Eye of Providence has a semi-circular glory below the eye. Sometimes the Eye is enclosed by a triangle."

"Popular among conspiracy theorists is the claim that the Eye of Providence shown atop an unfinished pyramid on the Great Seal of the United States indicates the influence of Freemasonry in the founding of the United States. This was dramatized in the 2004 Disney film National Treasure. However, common Masonic use of the Eye dates to 14 years after the creation of the Great Seal. Furthermore, among the members of the various design committees for the Great Seal, only Benjamin Franklin was a Mason (and his ideas for the seal were not adopted). Indeed, many Masonic organizations have explicitly denied any connection to the creation of the Seal."
en.wikipedia.org...

Which words from the above Wikipedia article jump out for me, considering that Silverstein Family park was built on the footprint of WTC7? And the fact that it resembles the Eye of Providence? They're written on the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States.

ANNUIT COEPTIS - "HE APPROVES OUR UNDERTAKINGS"

NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM - "A NEW ORDER OF THE AGES" - (NWO)


Silverstein Family Park

Look closely at other photos of the sculpture in this park. There is a rod protruding from the blood red eye!

Very interesting video from the MSM.

ABC News Report

It's very interesting to me that despite the new job he was incredibly excited about, he had been expressing concern and 'paranoia' for a few weeks. I want to know why. I want to know why the police had been watching his house for 4 days prior to his bloodless siege. No mention of the second shooter which was reported initially, where did they go? No mention of the assault rifle or pistols, either.
This entire thing reeks of deceit. I wouldn't be surprised if the second shooter was a handler who put him down when the police started to close in, took off his clothes and then joined the evacuation.
I recall the second gunman's face was never seen by witnesses who claimed they watched Shoop don his helmet after he'd arrived. Which in itself is odd, because the MSM is insinuating that he was already all geared up upon entering.

Second gunman entered first, fired into the air and panicked everyone.
Shoop entered, got changed and began wandering around taking out the CCTV and assuring people they were all going to make it home.
Police begin to move in and evacuate shoppers.
Second gunman joins Shoop, shoots him in the head, then:
a) Takes the white helmet from him, leaving the black one (and a reason for the MSM to portray him in a black helmet?), and resumes shooting air and cameras until he's clear to change and leave.
b) Immediately changes and leaves the premises and is well away for when Shoop's 'suicide' is discovered.

Has there been an ETD on Shoop's body at all? Some indication of how long he'd been dead before the police arrived?