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Her book includes fascinating case studies to illustrate how her clients have conquered seemingly irrational fears, psychological and even physical difficulties by discovering and understanding the parallels between their own life and the lives of their forebearers.
The theory of ancestral "invisible loyalty" owed to previous generations may indeed predispose us to unwittingly re-enact their suffering and unfinished business in our own life events
Often the roots of current traumas can be explained by an easy but methodical tracing of our family trees, uncovering important similar events that have been interred into our genetic structures, events which pop-up generations later. Trouble comes from unknowingly reliving similar unfinished situations and emotional baggage inherited from our ancestors. The cycle ends when we recognize that the recurring family issues being presented generation after generation are begging for completion.....and once re-solved, can actually fade away and stop
The Ancestor Syndrome explains life and death issues through the "family tree" and the manner in which memories of past-unresolved traumas and conflicts are passed on to future generations. In her workshops, Psychodrama vignettes will be directed by Prof. Schützenberger with group members and aimed toward unearthing, illustrating, and resolving hidden family traumas, closing incomplete situations, saying good-bye and mourning an ancestor's losses. Efforts are made to understand these phenomena in the larger context of one's family psychological and economical history, "psychohistory", hidden family loyalties, calamitous events, such as war, unbearable trauma, unjust death, family secrets, and the Anniversary Syndrome.
It hit home. My mother’s mother had died May 25, 1959, and my mother died May 25, 1983. It was then and only then that I found out from my Aunt Irma that my great-grandmother had also died on a May 25th many years ago. "Never two without three," my mother had said a thousand times throughout her life. And mine. A family belief system, for sure. Writing this, my assistant Bobby Hoerner reminds me that I have scheduled Prof. Schützenberger to do her Ancestor Syndrome Workshop for me in New Orleans on May 25th. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
She shows how, as mere links in a family chain of generations, we may have no choice in having the events and traumas first experienced by our ancestors visited upon us again in our own lifetime as it once was in theirs. But, as she says, we do have a choice once we realize it.
Her book includes fascinating case studies to illustrate how her clients have conquered seemingly irrational fears, psychological and even physical difficulties by discovering and understanding the parallels between their own life and the lives of their forebearers. Mysteries as to why things happen can now be solved. Inherited ‘bad luck’ can now be changed. Family curses can now be removed. Ancient guilts and sins of the forebearers can now be resolved.
Recent work in the field of neurobiology has revealed that epigenetic processes are essential for complex brain functions. For example, recent studies showed that several enzymes that modify DNA or histone proteins are essential elements of signaling pathways, allowing proper neuronal signaling for learning and memory.9 This is because the formation of long-term memory requires that epigenetic processes induce lasting changes in gene expression in brain cells. Mice with dysfunctions in any of the epigenetic components that contribute to these changes can have impaired long-term memory.10,11 Interestingly, some of the cognitive impairments can be reversed by the administration of drugs acting on the defective epigenetic components. Mice with more components favorable to some epigenetic marks have improved memory and better cognitive performance.12-14 These findings suggest that memory performance can easily be modulated, whether impaired or improved, by epigenetic processes.
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Interesting...
Some questions for thought:
Are the 4th and 5th generations cleared of this "ancestry syndrome"?: Sins of the father?
Could this not be tied to the process by-which instincts are formed; is it thought to form in a different manner to instincts?
And what about positive psychological traits being passed on as well?
...understanding the source of the problem, as a genetic memory, may affect the brain chemicals surrounding the gene which then effects a change in the expression
...you have inherited the gene with the epigenectic expression you will have the tendencies associated with it until it is recognized and dealt with by you
In biology, and specifically genetics, epigenetics is the study of heritable changes in gene activity which are not caused by changes in the DNA sequence. Unlike simple genetics based on changes to the DNA seqeuence (the genotype), the changes in gene expression or cellular phenotype of epigenetics have other causes.
soficrow
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...you have inherited the gene with the epigenectic expression you will have the tendencies associated with it until it is recognized and dealt with by you
Inheriting a gene and inheriting an epigenetic trait are two very different things. A "genetic" trait involves changes in DNA or genes; epigenetics does NOT involve changes in genes (just gene expression).
In biology, and specifically genetics, epigenetics is the study of heritable changes in gene activity which are not caused by changes in the DNA sequence. Unlike simple genetics based on changes to the DNA seqeuence (the genotype), the changes in gene expression or cellular phenotype of epigenetics have other causes.
Eugenics, the social movement claiming to improve the genetic features of human populations through selective breeding and sterilization,[1] based on the idea that it is possible to distinguish between superior and inferior elements of society,[2] played a significant role in the history and culture of the United States prior to its involvement in World War II.[3]
Eugenics was practised in the United States many years before eugenics programs in Nazi Germany[4] and actually, U.S. programs provided much of the inspiration for the latter.[5][6][7] Stefan Kühl has documented the consensus between Nazi race policies and those of eugenicists in other countries, including the United States, and points out that eugenicists understood Nazi policies and measures as the realization of their goals and demands.[5]
soficrow
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Erm. No. I am not "picking." I'm appalled by pseudoscientific appropriation of scientific terms. It is absolutely clear that you do not know the difference between genetic and epigenetic. You repeatedly claim throughout your posts that traits are "genetic," saying things like if ...you have inherited the gene with the epigenectic expression you will have the tendencies associated with it. FYI - you inherit proteins that have an epigenetic effect and change gene expression, without changing the genes.
Also - The Abuse Cycle involves learned behavior and habitual patterns. The Abuse Cycle is primarily psychological, NOT genetic or epigenetic. It's true that abuse is stressful and stress has real, physical effects, but the Abuse Cycle's perpetuation has nothing to do with genetics, as you keep insisting incorrectly that it does.
Again, if every psychological deviation and negative psychological trait is defined incorrectly as "genetic," as you have done repeatedly in your posts, it is justification of and argument for the re-instatement of Eugenics Policies.
Eugenics, the social movement claiming to improve the genetic features of human populations through selective breeding and sterilization,[1] based on the idea that it is possible to distinguish between superior and inferior elements of society,[2] played a significant role in the history and culture of the United States prior to its involvement in World War II.[3]
Eugenics was practised in the United States many years before eugenics programs in Nazi Germany[4] and actually, U.S. programs provided much of the inspiration for the latter.[5][6][7] Stefan Kühl has documented the consensus between Nazi race policies and those of eugenicists in other countries, including the United States, and points out that eugenicists understood Nazi policies and measures as the realization of their goals and demands.[5]
I suggest that you educate yourself on epigenetics and genetics - as well as the Ancestry Syndrome described by Ancelin Schützenberger - before trying to appropriate cool scientific terms you do not understand.
EDIT to add - saw your edit. Thanks. I do quite like the idea of the Ancestry Syndrome - and do believe that our will (mood, attitudes) can modify epigenetic influences, even change gene expression - but remain very concerned about where inaccurate, uninformed thinking might take this concept. Also, no, it wouldn't be better if you said " the gene with it's epigentic expression" - genes have genetic expression but epigenetics changes that expression.
edit on 4/11/13 by soficrow because: (no reason given)
liveandlearn
This is not going in the direction I had hoped probably due to the dialogue on epigenetics.
I am really interested to know if anyone can think back to their family history and see a trait that has continued or been dealt with and changed.
I was brought up in a dysfunctional family via my mother and grandparents. They were not focused on their children and more into self.
When I married, I put my children first. I didn't know my dad and my mom was always remarrying or with some other man. I stayed with this abusive man because I grew up without a father. I decided to stay when I was getting ready to leave and my daughter said she didn't want to leave her daddy. She became a scapegoat for him as did other children. But I always intervened and came to their defense. I was not perfect but did the best with what I had. Those children grew up to be much better parents then myself and their children are loving, kind and gentle.
Somewhere I managed to break the cycle of verbal abuse by my grandmother and neglect by my mother. My children are a testament to that.
Anyone else out there who can testify to this with their life?
Practitioners claim that present-day problems and difficulties may be influenced by traumas suffered in previous generations of the family, even if those affected now are unaware of the original event in the past. A theoretical foundation for this concept is called The Ancestor Syndrome in psychology,
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Hellinger's own reactionary ideas have been under severe attack in his native country Germany... German critics point out that Hellinger is not only attempting to set the clock back for decades or even centuries on achievements in contemporary society, but habitually also adopts a most humiliating attitude towards those who come to him for help. Worse still, he displays sympathy and compassion towards dictatorships such as Adolf Hitler's regime and his national-socialist movement.
Nazi eugenics
Nazi eugenics were Nazi Germany's racially based social policies that placed the improvement of the Aryan race or Germanic "Ubermenschen" master race through eugenics at the center of Nazis ideology.[1] Those humans were targeted who were identified as "life unworthy of life" (German: Lebensunwertes Leben), including but not limited to the criminal, degenerate, dissident, feeble-minded, homosexual, idle, insane, and the weak, for elimination from the chain of heredity. More than 400,000 people were sterilized against their will, while 275,000 were killed under Action T4, a "euthanasia" program.[2][3]
The Holocaust ...was the mass murder or genocide of approximately six million Jews during World War II, a programme of systematic state-sponsored murder by Nazi Germany, led by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party, throughout the German Reich and German-occupied territories.[3]
Of the nine million Jews who had resided in Europe before the Holocaust, approximately two-thirds were killed.[4] Over one million Jewish children were killed in the Holocaust, as were approximately two million Jewish women and three million Jewish men.[5] A network of over 40,000 facilities in Germany and German-occupied territory were used to concentrate, hold, and kill Jews and other victims.[6]
Some scholars argue that the mass murder of the Romani and people with disabilities should be included in the definition,[7] and some use the common noun "holocaust" to describe other Nazi mass murders, including those of Soviet prisoners of war, Polish and Soviet civilians, and homosexuals.[8][9] Recent estimates, based on figures obtained since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989, indicate some ten to eleven million civilians (mostly Slavs) and prisoners of war were intentionally murdered by the Nazi regime.[10][11]
I tried to put things in simple terms.
I know np reason why one who has the gene cannot inherit the proteins in the same proportions that also cause the gene expression.
Eugenics? I don't even want to know how you came up with that.
People like you are the reason people like myself hesitate to put forth a controversial idea.
And you have managed to take it completely off the original intent.
I can only say forgive me for not being as articulate and precise on the subject as yourself.