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Lethal weapon: This is the gun that is killing America

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posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 01:35 PM
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Pejeu

overratedpatriotism
If you are okay with my ranch rifle you should be okay with the ArmaLite...


Civs should only be allowed to own bolt-action rifles and break action shotguns, if that.


SubTruth
When you have no idea what you are talking about it is better to remain silent. Both the AR and the AK can kill people. Tumbling rounds and all the jazz is fools talk.


Which is exactly why civilians shouldn't be allowed to own either.

Or any other semi-auto rifle for that matter.


kingofyo1
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You'd be ignorant to consider an M1 an assault rifle. BY DEFINITION: "An assault rifle is a selective fire (selective between semi-automatic, automatic and/or burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine"


By whose definition?

Kindly state the source for your definition.
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Nevermind protecting themselves from tyrants in washington which are growing by the day, can people even hunt for game to eat or do they have to go to the supermarket and buy everything? I mean gasoline is pretty expensive lately and people try to not take too many idle trips like they used to.

Or if someone tries to burglarise your home and you own nothing, then run to the kitchen for a knife?




posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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SubTruth
reply to post by Pejeu
 


This entire debate is pie in the sky. A fools errand if you will.

How many people own guns in the US ? Are those people at this point in time willing to give them up ? All the rest is hearing yourself talk.


Of course it is no longer possible for the US to convert to a gun free society.

On that much we agree perfectly.

The prevalence of firearms and the mindset of the population is just too far off the deep end.


Vigilance is what Americans need do not let the progressive mindset into your house and do not let them brainwash your children at school. It clearly is a disease of the mind and soul. Keep your own backyard in order and the rest will work itself out. And to all the I know what is best for everyone else crowd remember one thing when the guns inside the US fall it will drag freedom of speech with it..........Fools.


Boy, you sure do hate your lefties, don't you?

I hope they love to hate you back just as much.
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posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 01:40 PM
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kingofyo1
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My definition for Assault rifle comes straight from wikipedia, which comes from encyclopedia brittanica 2010 edition.

Source for Definition


Perhaps wikipedia and britannica aren't everyone in the world's source of defs for everything.



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 01:42 PM
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Actually I lean left on a few issues including gay rights and welfare.




My views are simple you have the right to do whatever you want as long as it does not infringe on anothers right to do the same. I yes I understand the welfare issue does not fit into my box but people who can not take care of themselves need help.



I also lean left on animal rights.



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 01:42 PM
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Pejeu

kingofyo1
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My definition for Assault rifle comes straight from wikipedia, which comes from encyclopedia brittanica 2010 edition.

Source for Definition


Perhaps wikipedia and britannica aren't everyone in the world's source of defs for everything.


Or, more likely in your case, nothing is a source of information. You are so out of your league, it is sad.

I tell you what, look up a few of these references and get back to us.



^ ""Assault rifle." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2010. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. 3 July 2010". Britannica.com. Retrieved 2012-08-26.
Jump up ^ "Worldbank. Post-Conflict Transitions Working Paper No. 10. ''Weaponomics: The Global Market for Assault Rifles''. Phillip Killicoat, Economics, Oxford University. April 2007" (PDF). Retrieved 2010-04-03.
Jump up ^ Rose p. 373, 380, 392
Jump up ^ "Machine Carbine Promoted," Tactical and Technical Trends, No. 57, April 1945.
Jump up ^ C. Taylor The fighting rifle – A complete study of the rifle in combat, ISBN 0-87947-308-8
Jump up ^ F.A. Moyer Special Forces foreign weapons handbook, ISBN 0-87364-009-8
Jump up ^ R.J. Scroggie, F.A. Moyer Special Forces combat firing techniques, ISBN 0-87364-010-1
Jump up ^ "US Army intelligence document FSTC-CW-07-03-70, November 1970". Gunfax.com. Retrieved 2012-08-26.
Jump up ^ "Full Text of H.R. 1022 (110th): Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007". GovTrack.us. 2007-02-13. Retrieved 2012-08-26.
Jump up ^ Matthew Kauffman (December 18, 2012). "In State With 'Assault Weapons' Ban, Lanza's Rifle Still Legal". Hartfort Courant. Retrieved 2013-01-02. "The term 'assault weapon,' as used by the media, is a media invention," said Robert Crook, executive director of the Coalition of Connecticut Sportsmen. "These are semi-automatic firearms that have military cosmetic characteristics. They look like our military firearms, but they're not."
Jump up ^ Joseph P. Tartaro (1995). "The Great Assault Weapon Hoax". University of Dayton Law Review Symposium, Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, vol. 20, no. 2, 1995: 557. Retrieved 2013-01-03. "One of the key elements of the anti-gun strategy to gull the public into supporting bans on the so-called "assault weapons" is to foster confusion. As stated previously, "the public does not know the difference between a full automatic and a semi-automatic firearm." They have been further hoodwinked by the television charades of people like New York's former Governor Mario Cuomo talking about semi-automatic firearms while the camera shows a full automatic firing. Fully automatic weapons have been strictly regulated and registered since 1934. Real assault weapons are controlled by the 1934 law and by laws in most states. There is no need for a new law on semi-automatic firearms. However, the anti-gunners responsible for the hoax have continued to perpetuate it by exploiting public confusion."
Jump up ^ Richard J. Samuels, Encyclopedia of United States National Security via
Jump up ^ "Modern Firearms - Fedorov avtomat". World.guns.ru. Retrieved 2012-08-26.
Jump up ^ "Toward Combined Arms Warfare: a Survey". Cgsc.edu. Retrieved 2012-08-26.
Jump up ^ C. J. Chivers (2010). The Gun. Simon & Schuster. pp. 162–163 and 166. ISBN 978-1-4391-9653-3.
Jump up ^ Chris McNab (2001). The AK-47. MBI Publishing Company. pp. 14–15. ISBN 978-0-7603-1025-0.
Jump up ^ Adam C. Firestone (1944-04-06). "Historic Firearm of the Month, February 2000". Cruffler.com. Retrieved 2012-08-26.
Jump up ^ "Тайна автомата Калашникова раскрыта?" ("The mystery behind Kalashnikov rifle unraveled?") Russian Life magazine, 2009-01-12; Link: life.ru...
Jump up ^ Ezell, Edward Clinton (1983). Small Arms of the World (in English). New York: Stackpole Books
Jump up ^ Marshall, S.L.A. (1966). Men against Fire:The Problem of Combat Command in Future War. New York: Morrow. pp. 50–60.
Jump up ^ Edward Clinton Ezell "The Great Rifle Controversy: Search for the Ultimate Infantry Weapon from World War II Through Vietnam and Beyond," ISBN 978-0-8117-0709-1
Jump up ^ מיקרו–תבור לכל לוחם חי"ר. Dover.idf.il. Retrieved on 2010-08-31
Jump up ^ "Advanced Combat Rifles". Orbitalvector.com. Retrieved 2012-08-26.
Jump up ^ List of Restricted and Prohibited Firearms[dead link] RCMP
Jump up ^ aplikace.mvcr.cz...
Jump up ^ www.kaapeli.fi...
Jump up ^ Wonacott, Peter (January 6, 2009). "For Middle-Class Pakistanis, a Gun Is a Must-Have Accessory". The Wall Street Journal.
Jump up ^ "Sebelius signs machine gun bill". Associated Press. April 22, 2008.
Jump up ^ The German word Maschinenpistole (literally "machine pistol") means submachine gun in English. The name was chosen for bureaucratic reasons as work on new rifles was banned by Hitler at the time of development of the Maschinenpistole 43. Previously, intermediate automatic firearms worked on by German arms designers were termed Maschinenkarabiner (e.g. MKb 42 (W)), literally "machine carbine", understood by Germans to mean a carbine as in a short rifle, but the term "machine carbine" was at the time a name in British English for sub-machine gun.
Further reading[edit]Crawford, S. (2003). Twenty-First Century Small Arms. MBI Publishing Company. ISBN 0-7603-1503-5
Cutshaw, C. (2006). Tactical Small Arms of the 21st Century. Gun Digest Books. ISBN 0-87349-914-X
Halls, Chris. (1974) Guns in Australia, Paul Hamlyn, Sydney. ISBN 0-600-07291-6
Lewis, J. (2004). Assault Weapons: An In-Depth Look at the Hottest Weapons Around. Krause Publications. ISBN 0-87349-658-2
Popenker, M. et al. (2004). Assault Rifle: the Development of the Modern Military Rifle and its Ammunition. Wiltshire: The Crowood Press Ltd. ISBN 1-86126-700-2
Senich, P. (1987). German Assault Rifle: 1935–1945. Paladin Press. ISBN 0-87364-400-X
Salo, Pauli (2008) Rynnäkkökivääri (assault rifle)7,62x39. 2. edition. ISBN 978-952-92-1328-3


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posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 01:47 PM
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EarthCitizen07
Nevermind protecting themselves from tyrants in washington which are growing by the day, can people even hunt for game to eat or do they have to go to the supermarket and buy everything? I mean gasoline is pretty expensive lately and people try to not take too many idle trips like they used to.

Or if someone tries to burglarise your home and you own nothing, then run to the kitchen for a knife?


You can't hunt with a bolt action rifle?

Also, don't you need gasoline to get to the nearest public park or hunting grounds? Or do you just go ahead and hunt on other people's private domains?

Perhaps you should consider a smaller engined car with a manual transmission. Preferably a diesel.

I still don't think you'd be as cheap off as just going to the market or store.

Also spare a thought about what it means for the wild game populations if everyone opted to hunt instead of shop.

In your society, if someone breaks into your home they are even more likely than you to already be armed.

And they are more likely to elect to shoot you on sight. Which they likely would too as they probably have the "drop on" you, as it were.

Then again I remember what the main views on ATS' were back at the time of the Little Falls shooting of those two kids.

I believe lots of you fantasize about the opportunity to follow suit.
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posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 01:47 PM
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Looks like prime reporting from the "Onion"!



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 01:54 PM
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EarthCitizen07

Pejeu

overratedpatriotism
If you are okay with my ranch rifle you should be okay with the ArmaLite...


Civs should only be allowed to own bolt-action rifles and break action shotguns, if that.


SubTruth
When you have no idea what you are talking about it is better to remain silent. Both the AR and the AK can kill people. Tumbling rounds and all the jazz is fools talk.


Which is exactly why civilians shouldn't be allowed to own either.

Or any other semi-auto rifle for that matter.


kingofyo1
reply to post by Pejeu
 


You'd be ignorant to consider an M1 an assault rifle. BY DEFINITION: "An assault rifle is a selective fire (selective between semi-automatic, automatic and/or burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine"


By whose definition?

Kindly state the source for your definition.
edit on 2013/11/5 by Pejeu because: (no reason given)


Nevermind protecting themselves from tyrants in washington which are growing by the day, can people even hunt for game to eat or do they have to go to the supermarket and buy everything? I mean gasoline is pretty expensive lately and people try to not take too many idle trips like they used to.

Or if someone tries to burglarise your home and you own nothing, then run to the kitchen for a knife?


Here's the problem with arguing with someone like Pejeu. He doesn't care about individual freedom. He has said before that he is a statist who thinks that people are too stupid to make their own decisions, must be ruled by the elite, and should be put in camps if it is decided it is "for their own good." His words, not mine.

Given that he believes like this, of course he wants citizens to be disarmed because disarmed people are a heck of a lot easier to put into camps than armed citizens.



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 01:58 PM
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Starred for accuracy.



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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Pejeu


Civs should only be allowed to own bolt-action rifles and break action shotguns, if that.


Why the "if that"? Just about every country on earth, except maybe cuba and north korea, allow shotguns. I really love my double barrell because I get the best bang for the buck in every regard. The choice of ammunition cannot be beat. Its just not a good military weapon though because it has a maximum effective range of about 100 yards with sabot slugs. Normal accurate distance is about 40 to 60 yards with all other shells.



Which is exactly why civilians shouldn't be allowed to own either.

Or any other semi-auto rifle for that matter.


Why not? Its just as semi-auto as a bolt action rifle. One trigger pull equals one bullet on the way.

Unless you are trying to imply there are too many full-auto conversion kits available, but failed to get your point across.
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posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 02:12 PM
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Fundamentally I agree with you. In a perfect world, we could keep guns away from psychos. This isn't a perfect world, and in many cases the psycho is either sitting next to us on the bus, or looking at us in a mirror. I've heard the saying that we are all one decision away from the worst decision of our lives, and I agree.

The danger of classifying people as mentally unstable and taking away rights and freedoms from these people is that there are always ways to abuse it. A slippery slope. More and more things might be considered "mentally ill." From bipolar people all the way to people who suffer from frequent migraines could come under the microscope.

The way this country used to work is quickly going the way of the lemming. Now, we screw over the many for the sake of a few.



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 02:13 PM
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Pejeu

You can't hunt with a bolt action rifle?


Of course I could but its not good for birds, rabbits, ducks, geese, etc.

Its good for dear, protection from bears, snipping on alqueda terrorists, wild boar, etc.

I cant afford too many guns. I am as poor as they come. Spare a thought for me.



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 02:17 PM
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Ya know, you also cant hunt with a DE .44 or .50 but that doesnt make it any less fun to shoot!



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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TrueBrit
reply to post by DeadSeraph
 


The only issue I have with firearms is one of practicality, and the way they are used. I favour steel blades and stealth, over range and overwhelming weight of lead. Blades do not run out of ammunition, they are silent, and are multi-functional. But aside from that personal preference, I believe that a person should be allowed to be armed. Personally speaking, I find it offensive that I am prohibted from carrying a sword wherever I go. I think there would be a might more respect between people if everyone was free to do so.

Taking a stance against this particular gun however, makes no sense at all. As I said, the only thing that causes gun deaths, is people who have taken leave of their senses and their morals, being out and about among the populus without an effective system of monitoring and containment, to prevent their issues costing innocent people their lives.



Ah yes. Nothing quite like having a cutlass strapped to your belt. If it were still in vogue I would rock me a neato piratey outfit to go along with said cutlass. Practically speaking however, a blade and a bow is more practical than a rifle and a pistol. I also agree with your aforementioned example that given a chance, an unscrupulous individual would use anything to carry out their crimes.



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 02:23 PM
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It would be easier with a nut with a full auto who don't know what he is doing. Hit the deck for 10 seconds, no more ammo.



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 02:28 PM
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NavyDoc

Here's the problem with arguing with someone like Pejeu. He doesn't care about individual freedom. He has said before that he is a statist who thinks that people are too stupid to make their own decisions, must be ruled by the elite, and should be put in camps if it is decided it is "for their own good." His words, not mine.

Given that he believes like this, of course he wants citizens to be disarmed because disarmed people are a heck of a lot easier to put into camps than armed citizens.


In a way its hillarious arguing with people who dont know what they are talking about, but then when the laughter subsides you realise these people are dead serious in their quest to disarm everyone to the maximum extent possible, and it becomes scary.



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 02:30 PM
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That fact makes me wonder if EVERYONE outside of the states thinks Hitler was a good guy... And then I remember there's people that come around like TrueBrit every once in a while and my faith in humanity is partially restored



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 02:47 PM
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Hitler wasn't half as bad as stalin. Hitler allowed guns to some extent. It is normally the communist regimes that say no to everything. Not that I like nazism at all, but some national socialism wouldn't hurt usa and other countries.

Most of europe that oppossed that france and britain were actually national socialists back in that era. It was common ideology. Portual, Spain, Roumania, Bulgaria, Switzerland, Austria, Turkey, etc.

Its just italy and germany that gave national socialism a horrible reputation. Especially germany!



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 02:53 PM
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Well, you gotta remember Genocide has never been a popular idea amongst society



posted on Nov, 5 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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That only counts when you know it's coming though. In a fair fight, gentlemen's dual like situation, yep, gun wins most times. It wouldn't be anything like that though lol. You wouldn't know nothing until the first slash, by then it's too late.

If these nutbars going on rampages knew how to use the weapons decently, they would have killed way more people. A really experienced shooter takes up a packed mall, forget about it. Most people who attack with knives for no good reason don't know what they are doing. Most people who shoot people for no good reason also don't know what they are doing. One jam and if they don't got a backup, they are finished. If someone had the balls and knowhow, after the first mag is finished, they can be taken down. People really need to be thankful real "gun nuts" haven't been pushed into nutbar nothing to lose anymore mode.

Or any highly trained individual with any weapon.




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