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have any of you picked up on this social trend line in our military??

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posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 02:47 AM
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I have been watching this one for awhile now..in the civilian sector of the nation as a social change tool...or what I call guilt manipulations and guilt politics as a social change tool. A tool of entitlement minded social engineers.



What I had been doing is making some posts in the Relationship section of ATS beginning somewhere about page 21 of the thread on "Feminism & The Downfall Of The Traditional Family."

It had been awhile since I had posted anything on ATS and particularly in the Relationship section but something a post made in that section stimulated me to reply and see where it would go. IN the mean time during this spirited three page debate..this news broke about what was happening in our military.
I recognized it because I remembered what had happened up in Wisconsin in the news using and misusing this same MO or Method of Operation. Guilt Politics, Guilt Manipulations in order for certain groups to default through on the backs/purse of others.

Here from Wisconsin and what happened there about a year ago.

eagnews.org...




This fingerprint or MO is going to become textbook of Leadership today and in the future as a tool of social change. It is neither leadership nor educated nor intelligent. But it is textbook of politics of the lowest kind. This is the very best in "Entitlement Thinking and Beliefs" of what is trying to pass for leadership today. It is definitely not leadership..;and particularly in the military.

Now here is what is happening in the military in order to continue the fingerprint or MO of "Guilt Politics and Guilt Manipulation" which leadership seems want to favor today. The same or very similar pattern of operation to what went on in Wisconsin.

www.theblaze.com...




And here are the three posts I made in the thread on the Relationship board..under "Feminism & The Downfall Of The Traditional Family" when I found the breaking news on the military and realized it was a continuation of what I had been describing all along about feminism as a technique used and misused on the unawares. These guilt manipulation and guilt politics techniques have been adapted by racial groups who only have continued racism and racism cottage industries to ply their trade, the homosexual groups, the Atheists, and now illegal aliens and certain Islamic groups are looking into this as well as a tool for social change..guilt manipulations and guilt politics.

What I and some other thinkers have detected over the years ..is that all these groups are being looked on and canvassed out by government as tools for social change agents against an unawares and uneducated public.
They are all being controlled and manipulated at the top by government and social engineers.

I believe that this will break down the ability of our military to carry out their mission in the future as they are made more of a social group in the manner of the civilian market rather than a military under martial disciplines..but instead cultivated for their racial and social emotions..not disciplines..hence not a military.

I find this kind of thing to not be leadership. It also concerns me the replacement of so many highly placed Admirals and Generals in a short span of time. I believe they are being replaced by Politically Correct types..not shooters or people with Military Disciplines.
With Politically Correct types In high military positions I believe we are going to get our backsides handed to us when next we enter a conflict... and continuousely. I think it is being designed this way to have a future military of losers.


Here are the links to my posts in the Relationship forum about this kind of social/political brainwashing taking place in our military.
It is my belief that this kind of programming'/social/political brainwashing technique can only survive in the cloistered public school sector where it can be shielded from public scrutiny..and proceed unquestioned and unchallenged.
And so too now they are attempting to introduce this same brainwashing and programming social technique into the cloistered halls of the Military. And these links illustrate clearly to thinking people that this is coming from up top...from leadership through the Department of Defense and higher to the White House.



These links are from page 24 of the thread in the Relationship Forum.."Feminism & The Downfall Of The Traditional Family."



www.abovetopsecret.com...



www.abovetopsecret.com...



www.abovetopsecret.com...


You readers decide for yourself ...but remember ..you are going to see more of this type of thing...this technique taking place in America in order to bring about the politically correct social change..by default..by public silence.
And this is how some are attempting to accomplish it..by "Guilt Politics and Guilt Manipulations" on your unguarded and unaware emotions.

BeWarned!!


Thanks,
Orangetom




posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 04:13 AM
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We will lose the next major war, IMO, whatever it is and wherever it is. Not because our soldiers aren't good or don't have heart. We will lose the next war because our soldiers are seen, as you note, as pieces in a grand social experiment.

The Military is there to kill people and break things. Nothing more. Nothing less. ALL Military are the same, world wide. They ought to be used only when attack is ongoing or imminent in a way even an average man can agree with, without questions or explanations in legalese or 10 different forms of double talk.

When they are used though, they are there for those two reasons and to accomplish those two things. Not to play social experiment with.

I just hope we don't lose too many people or anything of our own national soil when we do lose the next one. I fear the loss will be decisive too. It won't be another loss by default like Vietnam or what Iraq has become. I hope I'm wrong.



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 05:10 AM
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This is from a Department of Defense training document on extremists and shows the type of manipulation you are talking about. The whole 133 page document was obtained by Judicial Watch.


LESSON EMPHASIS
This lesson will focus on awareness and current issues requiring the attention of future Equal Opportunity Advisors. It will also provide information that describes sources of extremism information, definitions, recruitment of DoD personnel, common themes in extremist ideologies, common characteristics of extremist organizations, DoD policies, and command functions regarding extremist activities. ......

RECOMMENDED READING
Seven Stage Hate Model, FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin March

The following references are additional sources for current extremism information:
• Anti-Defamation League... [ The Anti-Defamation League was founded in 1913 "to stop the defamation of the Jewish people ]

Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism... [ The Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino is a nonpartisan research and policy center ]

Know Gangs...

• Political Research Associates...
• Southern Poverty Law Center... [ SEE attacks on Catholic Church and shooting target from their list. LINK
CNS News: Southern Poverty Law Center: ‘Our Hate Map Doesn’t Cause Anybody to Attack’
also Ayo Kimathi, an acquisitions officer for Immigration and Customs Enforcement who is in charge of buying weapons and ammunition for the government, operates the website named "War on the Horizon." It includes descriptions of an "unavoidable, inevitable clash with the white race." Kimathi is black. ]
• Teaching Tolerance
[ WHAT TOLERANCE? Feds forced churches to get baptism permits ]

These are the type of sites the government recommends???

Now the fun really begins...

...j. Doomsday thinking
Extremists often predict dire or catastrophic consequences from a situation or from a failure to follow a specific course, and they tend to exhibit a kind of crisis- mindedness. It can be a Communist takeover, a Nazi revival, nuclear war, earthquakes, floods, or the wrath of God. Whatever it is, it is just around the corner unless we follow their program and listen to their special insight and wisdom, to which only the truly enlightened have access. For extremists, any setback or defeat is the beginning of the end....

n. Hypersensitivity and vigilance
Extremists perceive hostile innuendo in even casual and innocuous comments, imagine rejection and antagonism concealed in honest disagreement and dissent, and see latent subversion, anti-Semitism, perversion, racism, disloyalty, and so on in innocent gestures and ambiguous behaviors. Although few extremists are actually clinically paranoid, many of them adopt a paranoid style with its attendant projective mechanisms, hostility, and distrust....


Sure sounds like they are talking about ATS.


To continue:

D. Extremist Ideologies

1. Introduction
As noted, an ideology is a set of political beliefs about the nature of people and society. People who are committed to an ideology seek not only to persuade but to recruit others to their belief. In U.S. history, there are many examples of extremist ideologies and movements. The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule....

WHAT!?! Our Founding Fathers, many of whom went on to hold high office in the USA including the office of president are now labeled as EXTREMISTS? People to be looked at with distaste? People who are not welcome in our "modern Military? WTF?

It gets worse:

2. Ideologies
a. Nationalism – The policy of asserting that the interests of one’s own nation are separate from the interests of other nations or the common interest of all nations. Many nationalist groups take it a step further and believe that their national culture and interests are superior to any other national group.

b. Supremacy – The belief that one’s race or ethnicity is superior to all others and should dominate society. Supremacy, as with racial supremacies in general, has frequently resulted in anti-Black and anti-Semitic violence.

c. Separatism – Setting oneself or others apart based on culture, ethnicity, race, or religion.

d. Anarchism – .....protesters wreaking havoc at political conventions and anti-globalization rallies.

e. Religion – Extremist ideology based on intolerance toward other religions....


This one targets the Tea Party, Libertarians and the Constitution Party. Actually it attacks the traditional values of the USA.

E. Recruiting Motives

1. Introduction
• The standard hate message has not changed, but it has been packaged differently. Modern extremist groups run the gamut from the politically astute and subtle to the openly violent.

• Nowadays, instead of dressing in sheets or publicly espousing hate messages, many extremists will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place....


My gosh, "talk of individual liberties,... and how to make the world a better place" is now considered "EXTREME" by the US government?

What the heck ever happened to the First Amendment?...OH , that is right it just got repealed. "Anti-Occupy" law ends American's right to protest only THREE Congress Critters voted against this law repealing our right to assembly. Can you say TRAITORS?



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 11:58 AM
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I spent a total of 50 years+ living as a "dependent" within the US Army. I saw many changes and I think you are on to something.

During Vietnam the military took anyone it could get and tolerated nearly everything. The result was a drunken, slovenly leadership with little self control.

When the drawdowns of the military began after Vietnam and until the first Iraq war, the first to be kicked out were those who drank too much, after they were gone, then those who were slovenly (overweight/out of shape) were booted out, after they were gone, those who smoked were the first to be booted, after most of them were gone, the hyper sexual were booted for adultery and fraternization, after they were gone, those with any character flaw were booted out.

What was left after all the draw downs before the 2nd Iraq war were hyper moral and "upright" leaders. I saw that as a problem in itself, but a much better problem than a slovenly, oversexed and drunken leadership.

These hyper-moral men and women went on to become the Generals and senior leadership of today.

The current administration finds people with morals and integrity and the unwillingness to lie something they could not abide. The fear was these truly moral people would see the government leadership for who they really were and either expose them or worse overthrow them.

Thus, the firing of over 200 senior leaders in the military for disagreeing with the Obama administration over the slightest item.

So what will the lower ranks learn from this? That one must be a mindless robot willing to do whatever the government tells them to do without any morality involved at all. The military is even encouraging a return to hypersexuality, as long as it is not between the genders but within the genders.

That is more scarey than any scenario in a Terminator movie, where the terminator eventually went with conscience, the current administration is teaching the military to totally abandon conscience and to do whatever they are told regardless of the morality of it.



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 12:22 PM
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So thinking cynically is now extremist behavior?

I hope extremism doesn't become the new spook word for terrorism in the near future.



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 03:23 PM
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grandmakdw,


So what will the lower ranks learn from this? That one must be a mindless robot willing to do whatever the government tells them to do without any morality involved at all. The military is even encouraging a return to hypersexuality, as long as it is not between the genders but within the genders.

That is more scarey than any scenario in a Terminator movie, where the terminator eventually went with conscience, the current administration is teaching the military to totally abandon conscience and to do whatever they are told regardless of the morality of it.


Very interesting statement and synopsis of yours for which I quote above. While I agree with your assessment, I shall chew on it for awhile tonight at work and digest it further before commenting.


jrod


So thinking cynically is now extremist behavior?

I hope extremism doesn't become the new spook word for terrorism in the near future.


And your statement as well..very interesting and full of portent. Likewise I shall digest it for awhile before commenting.

Thank you gentlemen for your replies,
Until later when time is more opportune. for now I must make haste.

Orangetom



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 03:23 PM
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posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 03:23 PM
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My apologies to the thread and site. Double post here of the one just above this and for which I deleted it

Orangetom


edit on 4-11-2013 by orangetom1999 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 03:41 PM
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Maybe the next war they engage in will be against We, the People, and in that case, maybe it won't be such a bad thing if they lose and lose badly.

It pains me to say that, but this is about as divided as I've ever seen things in my life.



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 03:58 PM
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I don't think we will lose but the death toll will be nasty due to the fact that women will play into the combat equation.
all that sensitivity training is only aggrivating to combat arms people and it all is pidgeon holed into non essential information when bullets whiz by.
We'll still come home, not fit in and want to live alone.My command was the 'Moralist " element described as above but true shooters are seldom in high command.
What will cripple us is the fear of guns in the culture that is being institutionalized into the media propaganda funnel(Mine was cold war stuff,kill commies and the like,lies as usual but we USED to trust them)There is something called "Betrayal Trauma" we vets can suffer from. If you actually end up fighting you will see how you are now a monster to some but it is mostly guilt by association. We are dangerous if you attack ,but not in everyday life.
The offensive bit appears to be a socially driven anti Mysoginist (can't spell) culture that is pushing back against the over whelming macho driven history.Unfortunately real history has nasty truths that they are leaving out .
Men shave their chests now, they are more plugged into the media,and it favors the METRO maleness .That too will hurt combat aggression.Indeed the phenomenon of the 13% in police Depts seems to be putting scared young men on the streets only to have them flip out ,over react and become ego driven instead of professionally conditioned to duty.


As a side note Heavy Metal is an aggressive medium of music that has been the bad guy for a while,media doesn't like it. I remember the Rolling Stones wouldn't cover Kiss or any non "pop" type stuff,occasionally bring reviews of music but NO in depth stuff because rock was take from flower children into a aggressive bastards and bitches that are ruggedly individualized and not acceptable to the system.
Most of MY buddies were metal heads or country.I don't discuss Rap as I detest it beyond measure.But it has superceded the music genre,and its culture has taken over in service.



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 05:36 PM
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The veterans are even more traumatized by the current administration listing them on the short list of potential terrorists.

The only person I know in my extended family (with a long extended record of service)
who has joined up since the current administration took office
is the most immoral black sheep who couldn't survive in civilian life.
He even ....... his stepdaughter and admitted it and didn't get kicked out.
This is a true story! The whole family has been shocked beyond belief that
he is still active duty several years later. Says something to me about the
current climate.
All the decent men in our family are either retired or so close to retirement that
it is not worth getting out. None of the decent young men see a future in the
military when veterans are demonized by the government and being an openly
morality driven person is grounds for punishment and dismissal.

Also, the fact that the media has completely acted as if there were no war going on at all while men
die daily in war in Afghanistan. Where are the liberals on this one?
Dirty little secret, no one in the media gives a da.. because Obama doesn't give a da.. about the people in the military unless they disagree with him and then he gets rid of them. Sick, sick, sick



posted on Nov, 4 2013 @ 06:17 PM
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here's a breaking trend line,,,right from Iran,,

khamenei.ir ‏@khamenei_ir
3 Nov
#US takes the most heed of #Zionists & they have to do that but we had always said that it is considered an illegal and bastard regime.


ohh ya and that goes with,,a pic.



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 01:46 PM
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cavtrooper7
I don't think we will lose but the death toll will be nasty due to the fact that women will play into the combat equation.all that sensitivity training is only aggrivating to combat arms people and it all is pidgeon holed into non essential information when bullets whiz by.


The sensitivity training must have failed or , god forbid, the US males must, according to you, be about as bad as caricatures would have some believe...


They were not exceptions. According to several studies of the US military funded by the Department of Veteran Affairs, 30% of military women are raped while serving, 71% are sexually assaulted, and 90% are sexually harassed.

The Department of Defense acknowledges the problem, estimating in its 2009 annual report on sexual assault (issued last month) that some 90% of military sexual assaults are never reported.

news.bbc.co.uk...



We'll still come home, not fit in and want to live alone.My command was the 'Moralist " element described as above but true shooters are seldom in high command.


Thank god for that as a world in which the US national security state has more compliant officers is certainly not something i would like to imagine. In fact i believe the last of the moral element has been pretty much removed during the Bush era and continuing under the Obama reign of terror.


What will cripple us is the fear of guns in the culture that is being institutionalized into the media propaganda funnel(Mine was cold war stuff,kill commies and the like,lies as usual but we USED to trust them)There is something called "Betrayal Trauma" we vets can suffer from. If you actually end up fighting you will see how you are now a monster to some but it is mostly guilt by association. We are dangerous if you attack ,but not in everyday life.


What fear of guns? Where do you come up with this stuff? The problem is not that you are fighting but that a large proportion of American citizens have and are continuing to realise that American soldiers are by accident, neglect or anger at being caught in impossible situations mostly killing completely innocent people in countries where they should not be involved in. The reason why American soldiers suffers so badly from PTSD and related mental problems is because they by en large realise this too and simply can not adjust to 'normal' life after having committed, what all these senses tells them, crimes of commission or omission.


The offensive bit appears to be a socially driven anti Mysoginist (can't spell) culture that is pushing back against the over whelming macho driven history.Unfortunately real history has nasty truths that they are leaving out .



Rape prevalence among women in the U.S. (the percentage of women who experienced rape at least once in their lifetime so far) is in the range of 15%–20%, with different studies agreeing with each other. (National Violence against Women survey, 1995, found 17.6% prevalence rate;[5] a 2007 national study for the Department of Justice on rape found 18% prevalence rate.[6]) According to a March 2013 report from the U.S. Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, from 1995 to 2010, the estimated annual rate of female rape or sexual assault declined 58%, from 5.0 victimizations per 1,000 females age 12 or older to 2.1 per 1,000. Assaults on young women aged 12-17 declined from 11.3 per 1,000 in 1994-1998 to 4.1 per 1,000 in 2005-2010; assaults on women aged 18-34 also declined over the same period, from 7.0 per 1,000 to 3.7.

en.wikipedia.org...


Real history DOES have nasty truths, much worth than the above suggests, but i confident that you are not aware of the depth and inhuman brutality of it. Those who are never try to defend males as some kind of oppressed minority...


Men shave their chests now, they are more plugged into the media,and it favors the METRO maleness .That too will hurt combat aggression.Indeed the phenomenon of the 13% in police Depts seems to be putting scared young men on the streets only to have them flip out ,over react and become ego driven instead of professionally conditioned to duty.


So when society tries to make men a bit better conditioned for a modern world were rape&abuse is not socially acceptable that is a bad thing in your mind? Why do we need these hyper aggressive males with a fondness for guns and huge numbers of foreign and domestic groups to hate? What have they ever done for the world but made sure that an essentially similar group of males from somewhere else does not take over their role of rapist and abusers in their home country?

The rest i will skip as it is even more confusing than what came before. I do not know if you just have trouble expressing yourself properly or if you really feel this angry at women but i do suggest you pack away the guns and try laying off the media sources that have managed to convinced you that males are getting a bad rap and that we really are a good misunderstood good bunch.

In the interest of full disclosure i have generally found that men are misinformed idiots and that women are hopeful fools and that it is quite difficult to find the exceptions that allows one to envision the bright future that always seems to be just beyond humanities grasp.

Stellar



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 02:17 PM
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Wrabbit2000
We will lose the next major war, IMO, whatever it is and wherever it is. Not because our soldiers aren't good or don't have heart. We will lose the next war because our soldiers are seen, as you note, as pieces in a grand social experiment.


I think that in the next 'great' war American soldiers will fight as hard as they did in the last one where the threat was real and men could be made to understand that if they would not fight together with allies they would have to fight separately and at much worse odds. The problem with empires are reliably that they can not help but overextend themselves by believing that they can pillage( economic gain) the world without eventual dire consequence forgetting that they would in similar circumstances have fought just as hard as their sudden enemies does.

As for the social experiment BS the social experiment is being conducted on the people of the world are being forced moulded in American style consumers so that corporations can make even greater profits. Whatever social experiments may be happening in the armed forces that would only be to make it more compliant to fight and destroy mostly defenseless people who dare try to defend their cultures and countries from this violently imposed programs.


The Military is there to kill people and break things. Nothing more. Nothing less. ALL Military are the same, world wide. They ought to be used only when attack is ongoing or imminent in a way even an average man can agree with, without questions or explanations in legalese or 10 different forms of double talk.


The problem with an imperial armed force is that they are generally used against people that have no means of resistance but who have to be 'policed' in some way as they do not want their occupiers there any more than they did the previous imperialist. The armed forces then attempts to restructure itself in such a way as to make policing possible without incurring massive casualties ( because real policing is about keeping the people safe from each other while taking all the risks onto the policemen) that would create a political backlash at home given that the war&occupation was never popular in the first place. These policing actions can also result in weapon design and force structures that may eventually be proven totally unsuitable to " the killing and breaking of things', in national ( not corporate) self defense, that armed forces should in theory be reserved for.


When they are used though, they are there for those two reasons and to accomplish those two things. Not to play social experiment with.

I just hope we don't lose too many people or anything of our own national soil when we do lose the next one. I fear the loss will be decisive too. It won't be another loss by default like Vietnam or what Iraq has become. I hope I'm wrong.


I believe it's probably that this war will likely be fought on foreign soil, again, and the losses will again be mostly foreign with the American citizenry perhaps this time realising that such a path will ultimately lead to truly dire consequences. For the record i think most students can agree that a general aim of war is to destroy another nations capacity to make war and in such basic terms Vietnam and Iraq was utterly destroyed. Only pedants, and other types with too much time on their hands, such as myself on occasion, will argue that America may have lost in imperial terms ( didn't occupy and could not fully exploit the resources) but in terms of any purely military, cultural or economic terms those countries lost and lost badly.

As i have stated in the past i don't believe a nuclear war will end human civilization or any such nonsense but there seems to be weapons in testing use that may very well eventually closely mimick such an outcome. If America's worse excesses could be prevented in the near term and Russia and China eventually provide a balance to their power humanity may perhaps gain the time to gain a foothold on Mars before we find out if we really can end what we created on Earth.

So let us hope Musk succeeds yet again as time may very well be a factor here!

Stellar



posted on Nov, 18 2013 @ 02:40 PM
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The people who used to dress in white sheets now work for the government for the SPLC and wear all black fatigues and tend to run in armed gangs.
The real hate is coming from the top down, not from the populace upwards.
With enough publicity they could make Jesus look like Attila the Hun (they're still working on that)
As always you provide excellent links to back your arguments and research.
Good stuff Crim!



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