Countdown to Grid shutdown - are you prepared?

Interesting Amateur insight as to the operations just barely 48 hrs away!



Is this just another example of international cooperation between a few nations with superpower US during drill... or something more sinister? Obomber did say we US not just rely on our own military for the agenda that has been set

reply to post by mwood

Go pack!!!
hey dont let anyone know your a prepper..
the needy might drop by

That's where Bush will be the 14th of November.

www.dallasnews.com...

He'll be in the south too.

This type of drill will in no way, shape, or form involve the complete shut down of the power grid. All this is going to be is a bunch of guys simulating as to what would and how a cyber attack do and how it would affect our ways of communication and coordinating a response to such attack. While it seems simple enough for someone to commit a cyber attack on the power grid. Up until now, we've never had to worry about anyone perpetrating such an attack. If it does happen and when it does happen. It won't be another country or some terrorist organization that causes it. This will be caused by someone who has no affiliation with an enemy state or a terrorist organization. It's going to be someone like a self taught hacker who is messing around on some power companies servers that causes it.

Almost, if not, all of the power companies in the United States do have a contingency plan to combat and prevent their systems from going down. It's going to be a lot harder than what people think for something like this to happen. It will not be very difficult for someone to detect a cyber attack on the power grid. When and if it is detected. Signals will be sent out to the other power companies on the affected part of the grid to sever their connection to the effected area. Thus limiting the size of the affected area and the number of customers that were effected. Doing this will disrupt electricity to some areas but a continuous flow of electricity will be available to those areas where the power companies have disconnected from the grid in time.

Take the 2003 Blackout that affected New York City, Cleveland, and Detroit and left millions in the dark for hours. The only reason that this blackout was so large in scale was due to what part of the grid the problem occurred. That all started due to a computer malfunction at a plant belonging to First Energy Electric in Cleveland, Ohio. Within a few seconds of the problem occurring, Detroit Edison in Detroit and Con-Ed in New York City did not disconnect from the grid as quick as say American Electric or Consolidated Edison in Chicago did. There are protocols that the various power companies have in place to combat this.

I did finally find out more about the power outages due to bridge maintenance here. There are currently two bridges undergoing maintenance --- one north of me and one south of me --- but the only one I knew about at the time was the northern bridge being repaved, which shouldn't have affected power I thought, but the lines do run along underneath of the bridge that feed the entire county. The second bridge that just started maintenance work is to the south, and they're actually performing repairs to the electrical supply lines themselves on that bridge and the power outage should only affect a single town for the duration of the repair work. That being said, however, the last time we had a major outage for seemingly no reason was because a seagull flew into a transformer in said town that will experience power outages. But, I know one problem like that can affect an entire area of the same grid, whether it's up-stream or down-stream. So, knowing that, the most I expect to experience is maybe a momentary absence of electricity or maybe even just a slight flicker.

Also, the Sheriff's Department did pick up the trailer sometime since Sunday morning. Poo, I thought I had pretty good evidence for this doom-porn scenario actually happening, but it's all bunk now.

gimmefootball400

Almost, if not, all of the power companies in the United States do have a contingency plan to combat and prevent their systems from going down. It's going to be a lot harder than what people think for something like this to happen. It will not be very difficult for someone to detect a cyber attack on the power grid. When and if it is detected. Signals will be sent out to the other power companies on the affected part of the grid to sever their connection to the effected area. Thus limiting the size of the affected area and the number of customers that were effected. Doing this will disrupt electricity to some areas but a continuous flow of electricity will be available to those areas where the power companies have disconnected from the grid in time.

Take the 2003 Blackout that affected New York City, Cleveland, and Detroit and left millions in the dark for hours. The only reason that this blackout was so large in scale was due to what part of the grid the problem occurred. That all started due to a computer malfunction at a plant belonging to First Energy Electric in Cleveland, Ohio. Within a few seconds of the problem occurring, Detroit Edison in Detroit and Con-Ed in New York City did not disconnect from the grid as quick as say American Electric or Consolidated Edison in Chicago did. There are protocols that the various power companies have in place to combat this.

They do have contingency plans in place, but they are also mostly of the type "if this happens, then do this" type rather then a detailed plan. The more the grid is tied together through electronics and computers the easier it becomes to hack and take it down. And, its pretty vulnerable as it is.

The blackout reason had nothing to do with protocol or contingency plans, it had to do with the settings on the protective relays, the accuracy of the relays, and the fact that some of the relays did not see the transient in time to disconnect from the main grid.

Are you ready?????





Fed officials have warned energy grid is VULNERABLE.

You know what that means dontcha?!

So I woke up this morning November 13 2013 and my power was out. When I read about the drill last week I was not to concerned. Figured more gloom and doom. This morning however I was like "Oh SH*T" the power stayed off for about an hour and a half. Now it is back on and I am able to do my work... Weird because this is the first time the power has been out for that long.

Well, halfway through and no lights-out yet. Since this is the second one of a bi-annual drill, and I don't remember anything happening during November 2011... maybe this sort of drill won't freak people out every 2 years.

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Here I sit and still nothing, I guess that can be taken as a positive thing, was a good kick in the ass to make sure I had all my MRE's and water ready

Had some fun with the miss's I left in my truck going to the corner store last night. I sneaked back to the house by foot and tripped the main breaker at the meter. She wasn't happy one bit.

reply to post by hillbilly4rent


HAHA thats golden, I should try that at work !

reply to post by Aldakoopa


Don't allow yourself to be pulled in to the hype. It is important that you focus on your environment and those things that are important to your needs and survival. There is a big difference between due diligence and Chicken Little.

It is common knowledge that Americans are woefully dependent on their electricity and their electronics. IMHO it is very wise to have a contingency plan for those things that you have very little or no control of, especially if those things make you vulnerable.

It is not being paranoid to investigate anything that appears unusual or out of place in your community. The easiest way to bring in change that may bring resistance, is in slow incremental stages and by miss-direction.

Doom porn, as it is affectionately called, can be valuable. If enough people are concerned about an event that people are wasting their time fighting over its validity, then somewhere among the chaff there are a few missed kernels. There even be enough, when gathered, to make a rue.

There WILL BE no real power-outage - how someone can even remotely believe such a thing is BEYOND ME.

For any company, a power-outage for, say, 5 or 10 mins only is already a substantial loss of money. Tell me, I once resetted an internet provider's routers by mistake...I learned it the hard way.

A nation-wide "grid shutdown" "as a drill" would cost billions of billions of billions. Not only would it cost billions in sales for companies, it would likely also cost many lives in hospitals etc...law enforcement etc. shut down, no emergency calls/lines possible..fires, accidents...etc..etc.. it's entirely unthinkable.

The idea alone is absurd.

And a "mock" drill...as i would assume is normal whether it be for air-lines, emergency responders, power companies etc...is NOT anything worthy of news...except for conspiracy freaks who again make an elephant out of a mosquito.

reply to post by NoRulesAllowed


You obviously don't wear a tin-foil hat. And don't think that when there's a fire drill that they actually set the building on fire ...... Sadly, some ATSers are more gullible.

AndyMayhew
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You obviously don't wear a tin-foil hat. And don't think that when there's a fire drill that they actually set the building on fire ......

Sadly, some ATSers are more gullible.

I also replied because there was a thread yesterday where someone said he was shocked mentioning "grid shutdown" to Joe Average and most people didn't even know about it. Reason is easy: It doesn't concern Joe Average. It's a non-issue for normal people. And for others, professionals, companies etc. drills are a normal thing anyway.

Can we wait till Wednesday before the power goes out? I got a half a cow being cut up on Monday the 18th and it needs to be quick froze there. Heck, why not put it off till black Friday...That would be a lot more convenient for me. That way I can use the wood cookstove oven and the electric oven to cook two things at the same time.

Sorry for being such a killjoy about this thing, I know I am ruining someone's doomsday celebration.

reply to post by gardener


Our government isn't afraid of Russia or China. They have absolutely nothing to fear from these countries or the UN. They are dependable and well trusted allies to the government. They have a well planned and most likely a well funded plan for the construction of a program that will establish a safe and productive organization of resources to the benefit of all involved.

The only problem is that their plans will benefit the governments and the tares that are so ferociously entrenched in our system, it is not for the benefit of the people. They flaunt it in our faces almost daily. They have no regard for the American people. The view us with disdain. They see us as delusional, self-centered, greedy, ignorant, ungrateful parasite, and believe they will do universe and humanity a favor by culling herd.

Of course don't pay any mind to this nonsense, it is just another chapter in the never ending saga of doom porn.

reply to post by ThunderHammer


I think the problem here is that a lot of people are only focusing on the eye of the storm. All is so clear and sunny that they have forgotten why the eye has formed.

The thread has drifted off into a fight about the power outage drill being mock or real. Either way it is of very little importance because either way it is controlled. The real issue is the drill is necessary, not just here but world wide, because if their concern is of disruption being caused by natural causes, such as a perfectly placed sunspot like 1899, projecting our way a powerful CME, well, we just don't know what would happen, if anything, but it makes a lot of sense to at least try to have some kind of plan.

It is more fun and easier to fight about the possibilities of a sustained power outage, one that we have prepared and have control of the on, off switch, it is a bit different when dealing with one that we know is coming, but not when or what damage it will cause.

Distraction. Miss-direction. It is all about control. Look where you are told to look. Think what you are told to think. Believe what you are told to believe. The only reason any of us are even here on ATS is for validation. You can't believe what you see unless you can find someone else that has seen it also. You aren't comfortable with believing something unless you can find someone that agrees and provides validation that what you present is believable. Here at ATS where "Pics or it didn't happen." We are here to "deny ignorance", and the only way to deny ignorance is to validate your truth. Is there any doubt why we have become sheeple, when the only truth we allow ourselves are the truths that we validate through the acceptance of others?

We live in a vast strange universe. We haven't even scrapped the tip of the iceberg of knowledge that is available to us. We start each day with the rituals and routines that we have developed to force some control over this life we have been given. We have become creatures of habit and become extremely uncomfortable with change. We create the walls of the prisons that we have chosen to dwell within. The only intelligent thing to do when faced with the knowledge that those things that you have made the foundation of your life, may no longer be available to you, is to develop alternate plans and options.

I understand that electricity is a very useful tool of convenience and for some it is a medical necessity, that is even more reason that alternatives should be in place before you need them. I enjoy the power and usefulness as much as the next person, and will cry the blues and lament as loud as my neighbor but I can live without it. Very uncomfortably, I add, but I despise the campaign that I feel is being pushed to make people believe that all life and humanity will be destroyed if the lights go out. Have we all forgotten that electricity the way we use it today is a fairly new invention? Nations around the world were built without electricity. If our generation fails because of a power shut down then I guess we have outlived our usefulness to the planet and each other. I just hope somewhere our follies have been placed on paper and safely stored away to be easily found, so those that follow us will perhaps learn from our follies.

Once again the internet doom trollers make a story
as a worst case scenario,... AGAIN.
No blackout occurred anywhere, nor was there any idea to implement such
an outage.
anyone hear of results yet from the "Drill"?