The Nazi's actually won WW2.....(you're gonna be SHOCKED!!)

Did you guys know that Hitler was a zionist?
His plan was to; A - Move all jews to Palestine or B - Move all jews to Madagascar.

It's well documented, although not so well known (en.wikipedia.org...)

Just because a few thousand German scientists were given refuge because they we're some of the worlds top minds in their respective field does not mean Germany won WWII.

So by the meaning of the original post, if your captured, and manage to stay alive by serving your captors, that means you won and you planned it all along? That's really stretching it imo.

Self preservation is all it was. Alot of German scientists were kept alive, cause they were brilliant, and even if Hitler and a few top guys managed to escape (this is highly doubtful imo) to live in a hole somewhere in the ice till they died, does not mean it was some master plan from the get-go. Germany lost WWII and yea a few thousand Germans were kept alive for what they offered.

I mean what are you really saying..., that they could have won the war outright and completed World domination, but thought letting hundreds of thousands of Nazi soldiers die so a few thousand scientists could live would be a better outcome??? Why not have your cake and eat it too if you can? There is no way Germany was in that position. They lost and hostages were taken and used by other countries.

It's even worse than a loss to completely sell out on all your supposed "beliefs" and rat out your fellow countrymen to save your own hide.

Interesting "theory", really, very interesting!!! Could it be true??? Well there are a lot of similiarities between then and now.

I'll be pondering this theory for a bit. I won't say it's fact, as we know the winners wrote the history books, but reality tends to be far stranger than what's in our history books.

Thanks for the read!

National identity is merely a means of getting popular support. The masses have to provide labour and soldiers in order to carry out the plans of the largely secret leaders.

Community identity is possibly the biggest enemy of justice there is. It's never really been about nations - that's just for the peasants.

spartacus699

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AliceBleachWhite
It sounds like someone's been drinking the Jim Marrs Fourth Reich Koolaide.

While interesting and fun to think about, it's not true.
Sure, there's lots going on in the world to complain about, but, tying them all up with a Nazi embematic bow isn't going to hold that package together.

EDIT: Note, there WERE indeed plans for a secret Fourth Reich movement, but, that never happened.
Secret Fourth Reich plans

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Nah I would say "Just Drinking..." with all the spelling and grammatical errors.

Not at all an original idea although given the state of the world an interest prospect.

Those are not spelling or gramatical airors, it's my own spelling, you can spell whatever way you want once you free you're mind from the reeducation camp brainwashing you've been put through.

Well when you spell however you want you loose your context. Were and where are completely different words lol

"The Allies won the war but the Nazis won the peace." I cant remember where I heard that......

im sure that has already been covered - I could only make it as far as page 3......

before the end of the war- Bohrman created ODESSA to transport Nazis out of Germany, in luxury. They already had all the gold they stole from the Germans, the art the stole from the rest of Europe, and oh yeah all that money from American bankers like Rockefeller and Prescott Bush- who'd tried to overthrow the US government once already, by the way....
so all the rich Nazi families had left Germany by the end of the war under the auspices of corporations like BOSCH, BRAUN, BMW, MERCEDES, IG FARBEN, and probably many others that were already in existence which they purchased up (DISNEY?).
so to say "they won the war" isn't true, unless you're talking about the "war for our hearts" (Fascism is so "en vogue" these days......). but they have- in a broad, simplistic sense- taken over the planet, yes. but way way more importantly, they have taken over our minds. and it isn't "them", its a long, long tradition going back to probably the 1st guy in a love triangle who wasn't getting any....but more codified and official under the banners of various secret societies and family reunions.

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I don't think that he was a Zionist. In Europe for centuries, there was a difference between the pogram Jewish people and the wealthy elites behind the aristocracy. The fall of the Germany economy after WWII was blamed on the Jewish bankers.

There was a movement against the Jewish/German film and entertainment industry. The traditionalists thought it was corrupting their values. There was a strong resistance to modernity and keeping women out of the workplace (except for prostitution of course). The German Heimat protection included preserving their mystical aryan beliefs and ties to the land.

There was a fear of the earlier Bolshevik revolution. Karl Marx had been born in Germany and had influence on the 20 anarchists who overthrew the aristocrats and Catholic Orthodox church in Russia. Thirteen of the 20 had Jewish ancestry that included Lenin. Nine million+ were killed in that war and the Jews were later purged by Stalin even though they did not practice religion.

I don't want to knock the Jewish people. The people that I have known were wonderful people and had a great work ethic. Much of modern advancement has been provided by their great contributions to society.

It just seems to me that the same blocs of power are still battling each other but move about with new coalitions. The royals, the Church, the corporatations, the traditionalists, the greens (who originated prior to 1930's in Germany), the wealthy, the socialists and the secret society crowd are still at it.

The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history. - Hegel

This whole theory is HOGWASH.

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A new movie about Mengele in Argentina: www.imdb.com...

A great book about this:
book
"Hitler won the war", by Walter Graziano.

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The meme won. The Security State meme won - not the Nazis.

Yes, spartacus699, when and how did you dream this fantasy ? Obviously you are not of this world. Many will feel very annoyed and greatly insulted by your story.If you had any idea of the historical facts you would know just how wrong you are. We having for thousands of years followed the commission and commandments of our God to control the world, believed a great step had been achieved when we supported by our Zionist allies defeated Germany in 1918. We began to take control of all industry , education health and financial structures, until one man stepped in the way.Hitler was his name, he discovered and realized what was happening to the nation, and the dangers facing the people.When they became aware of what their future held they gave him the support he needed..We. in order to fulfill our Lord,s commandments again,found it necessary,again with our allies to begin world war two. Having destroyed most of that country and devastated the populace we proclaimed victory. Since then, as you may observe We have taken control of many / most of the European countries that comprise The European Union even introducing the ultimate control of the monetary system So please acknowledge who really rules!!!

History repeats itself. It always has. The state of the United States and Europe is just another example of this. No the Nazis didn't fake their loss of WW2 so they could infiltrate the countries of the world.The state of our country is just the result of over centralization of any government, that is why it has so many parallels to Nazi Germany.

This 'theory', beleived by maybe 5 or 6 people, is idiotic.

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Hey man, you know what's alos well documentaed and well known, Hitlers mass extermination of Jews, among others. Hitler was NOT a Zionist. He was an anti-Semite who was responsible for the deaths of millions of people. Any attempts to portray this monster as anything else is a lie.

AngryCymraeg
No. Just.... no. You don't have any idea. It happened.

Neither myself or EarthCitizen are claiming it didn't happen. Neither of us are Holocaust deniers. We just wonder whether history is being entirely honest with the hows the whats and the like.

What nation is the Head of the Euro??

spartacus699

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AliceBleachWhite
It sounds like someone's been drinking the Jim Marrs Fourth Reich Koolaide.

While interesting and fun to think about, it's not true.
Sure, there's lots going on in the world to complain about, but, tying them all up with a Nazi embematic bow isn't going to hold that package together.

EDIT: Note, there WERE indeed plans for a secret Fourth Reich movement, but, that never happened.
Secret Fourth Reich plans

edit on 11/2/2013 by AliceBleachWhite because: (no reason given)

Nah I would say "Just Drinking..." with all the spelling and grammatical errors.

Not at all an original idea although given the state of the world an interest prospect.

Those are not spelling or gramatical airors, it's my own spelling, you can spell whatever way you want once you free you're mind from the reeducation camp brainwashing you've been put through.

The problem with this is that the 5-year olds that my wife teaches spell the same way.

AsherahoftheSea

AngryCymraeg
No. Just.... no. You don't have any idea. It happened.

Neither myself or EarthCitizen are claiming it didn't happen. Neither of us are Holocaust deniers. We just wonder whether history is being entirely honest with the hows the whats and the like.

Round objects. EarthCitizen said that the gas chambers never happened.

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Whether your theory is correct in parts or in full... I've been referring to us (U.S.) as the 4th Reich for quite some time.

It matters not whether they infiltrated us or not. You ARE right about one thing... this is the way a tyrant runs a planet, as long as he can, until he is defeated.

Some points by Dw001 seem valid but a few ring in my ears like doublespeak/think especially:

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we have flouride in the water......................They used in the concentration camps

Dw001

Flouride prevents caveties; KZs were for genocide.

We have the public school system..................They had Hitler Youth

Dw001

The public school system encourages critical thinking and is often attacked for its "liberal values" ; the Hitler Youth emphasized conformity and obedience.

We have Main Stream Media which is all controlled.............They had nothing but propaganda as well

Dw001

We have media that reports government failures (eg; the failure of the Insurance Market website); their media only reported triumphs, even if it had to invent them.

Most public schools I've seen lately are about nothing but conformity- and getting kids used to living in a police state.

And yes the media does report govt failures- especially when they are told to.