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The Nazi's actually won WW2.....(you're gonna be SHOCKED!!)

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posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 02:46 PM
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The Nazis won in the same way that ancient Rome is still around and kicking. Which is why most buildings today are and using pretty much the same concepts from ancient Rome anything from our houses to our government building to modern skyscrapers, and the same would apply to other more esoteric things.

So yes you can say that in a way the Nazi doctrines became a virus and transcended to much more then just a peoples they originated in, and yes people forget and it was not really written in the histories that America was on Nazi Germany side before it was clear they were going to lose the war, and a great many people in the Americans and world wide were friendly to the Nazi cause. # some of them were pen pals with Hitler one Henry Ford comes to mind, and bush family's progenitor. And and yes such things as, Ideas, concepts, ideologies, even languages and the entire thinking processes they bring about including whole societies and lifestyles even way we do and build things, live long and constantly evolve long after the peoples who brought them about are dust and gone.




posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 03:13 PM
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The Nazis weren't the start of any plan, nor the end.

There are two sides in this ancient war and everyone involved knows only what they need to know. Even the Devil himself has lost track in all this chaos.

Simply put: Fallen angels vs. Demons.


Just a few recent and significant points:-

c.!890: Freemasonry's paranoia over the Bavarian Illuminati's plan to infiltrate them.

WW1: Germany and European Islamic empire against everyone else.

WW2: Nazis (complete with eastern swastika and Tibetan interest) attempt to annihilate Freemasons and Jews (Mesopotamian in origin).



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 03:17 PM
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Your history is a little skewed.

The Russians reached and occupied Berlin first. Their close prescence caused Hitler to commit suicide and they were the first to the bunker to verify that he was, in fact, dead. Arguably, the Russians won the war in Europe.

The Americans came in very late to the war and, it could be argued, had little strategic impact on the European theater of war. The Normandy invasion started the push back against the Germans from the west but did not win the war. The Russian front had been advancing towards Berlin too.

All empires, as they begin to waver and crumble, degenerate into anarchy, oppression and conflict.

The American Empire is no different.

Its democracy is less democratic than many other nations.
Its republic is not a republic.
Its freedom is not particularly free.
It has never had equality.
In a first-world country, healthcare should be a human right.
In a first-world country, there should be adequate support for those who cannot care for themselves.
... and the carrying of a weapon should NEVER have been considered as a human right.
It is probably the most immoral, war mongering and crime riddled country in history.

It was more 'Nazi' than Germany from the outset.

Yet most of its Bill of Rights, Constitution and Declaration of Independence were of such truth and beauty that it is such a shame that they have all foundered.



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 03:24 PM
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No, that is what happened, actually. I was doing research on that for some of my posts like this one:

What if the Nazis were still here?

Basically, the Nazis decided to resurrect the Fourth Reich out of the United States after World War II using intelligence agencies like the C.I.A. (which are not only compartmentalized, allowing no oversight from within, but entirely outside of the Democratic system).

We see legislation like The Patriot Act and assume that politicians are so short-sighted that they don't see the natural progression that this kind of thing will take, however, the truth is, there is not a natural progression.

The Patriot Act was put into place on purpose as part of a longer reaching plan. If you look at the name, "Homeland Security," the Homeland has only been present once before in all of human history, and that was during NAZI Germany. There were some news articles I read from 2002 talking about how it was an "unfortunate choice" - they kind of thought it was funny -

But I think it, like a lot of other things that we are assuming are bad policy decisions made by incompetent politicians, are actually highly intelligent policy decisions made by intelligence agencies that still have influence from the 3rd Reich.
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posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 03:28 PM
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cameraobscura
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Tbh I've thought likewise for sometime now too. I've heard that there were some files released several years ago (maybe in the late 1990s) that the Nazis created a contingency plan to go underground. Whether the Nazis intended to work as a 5th column in the US and allied countries over the decades or whether the US and its allies, through the adoption of Nazi doctrine has implemented various Nazi tactics the parallels are there for all to see i.e. America fought a world war against the Nazis and their genocidal ideology, but over time has turned into their own worst enemy. They won the war, but very much have lost the peace and will go the way of other imperialist nations like ancient Rome...


My favorite story is that they founded a new base somewhere underground in Antartica - as geologists had discovered hot springs that would supply them with heat and water. Then they sent some transport ships with equipment down to that location and built a bunker there consisting of three floors (Neu Schwabenland).

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

www.youtube.com...

Here's a true picture of the Schroedinger crater in case anyone reads up on the
bit about there being a Nazi symbol on the moon:

en.wikipedia.org...:Schrodinger_crater.gif



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 03:36 PM
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What the hell is a YouE



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 03:47 PM
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DJW001
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Yes we do have a modern version of Nazi Germany.
The U.S. has the CIA which was modelled after Reinhard Gehlen's SS intelligence operations. According to the story Allen Dulles, working from Europe, provided Gehlen with a post-war operational budget in the millions to keep his Nazi intelligence network INTACT.


So Gehlen saved his cowardly skin by surrendering to the allies and providing them with assets in what would become Soviet territory.

That would appear to be what the historical narrative says.



Was Gehlen made DCI? Placed in charge of policy? No. Saying that Gehlen evading execution by giving his network to the US makes the US a modern version of Nazi Germany is like saying that the Africans that were kidnapped and forced to work as slaves on American plantations turned America into a tribal society.


Nobody made that claim that Gehlen had a high office in the American intelligence establishment. But the matter of fact is that the American intelligence establishment was re-organized along the lines of Gehlen's operation shortly after the conclusion of armed conflict in Europe.

The "slaves" who were "kidnapped" were the Nazi rocket scientists who worked on the "American plantations" at Huntsville, Alabama -- you know -- en.wikipedia.org...


In February 1956, the Army Ballistic Missile Agency (ABMA) was established; von Braun was the director of the Development Operations Division.


Do you remember who was Vice President of the USA in 1956? I'm sure you do.
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posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 04:03 PM
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Very nice..wishing cancer on someone...



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 04:03 PM
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From the OP

Do we not have a modern version of Nazi germany? LOOK, we have an EXACT VERSION of nazi germany!!


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U.S................................................... NAZI GERMANY
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What about US passport control at the borders after 9/11??
"Papers, show us your papers!!!



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 04:24 PM
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"The Nazis" Were a German political party. The Nazis were totally defeated and destroyed. They exist today only in history books, wannabe white supremacist groups, and the collective memory of our species.

That's not to say the darkest and most disturbing aspects of Nazi Germany itself, and the methods used by the party didn't get passed on to current world powers. Jim Marrs's book makes this pretty obvious, the way many modern western countries are operating would be a wet dream for the true Nazis.

But the only connection, in my opinion, is the methods of control being used. The new world powers are not a continued plan of real Nazis, they are simply new players on the world stage that took some cues from the nazis (and took a few actual nazis as well) in order to grow and support their new police state. Police states, regardless of location in time or geography will always have parallels drawn between them, for the simple fact that they are both police states.

The only conspiracy that actually draws real connections to real nazis is the idea that modern day Germany is trying to take over Europe economically, realizing that trying to do so militarily draws too much attention and is bound to fail. It matches well with Germany's current power in Europe, especially with Merkel . of the EU. Germany runs Europe and a shot was never even fired, is the supposed plan.

While I don't believe that actual nazis are trying to reinstate a 4th reich in modern day Germany, it does seem plausible that Germany's goal for power has never faded, and they are just being far more sneaky about it this time. This is a country that twice in recent history required the whole world to smack down, it seems silly to think the pride in their country and people, and confidence in their ability to dominate would falter so easily. Give it a few generations for germans to let go of their ridiculous nazi guilt and they could be a huge force to be reckoned with once more.



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 05:08 PM
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There is absolutely ZERO chance that this is true. Sure, on the surface it might sound like it could be plausible, but once starts analyzing history in depth, they realize that such a plan was never in place, and would never have been put in place. It was counter to Hitler's ideology anyway. The one thing that I do agree with is the fact that Hitler faked his death and ended up in Argentina. There is much, much evidence for this. The pilot who flew him out admitted to such during questioning, holding fast to his story, yet everyone just thought he was crazy. Then there were the countless people who had direct contact with him in Argentina after the war had already ended. Then there is the fact that it has been proven the skull that the Russians had belonged to a female, not Hitler, and it could also not have been his wife's skull, considering the details pointed to a much older woman, if I remember that part correctly. Stalin always believed Hitler escaped as well. There is plenty more evidence than this, although there is likely a lot of false info out there as well, so one must be careful and focus strictly on the information from actual witnesses.

But going back to this idea you've presented to us, it just doesn't make any sense. Then there is the fact that many of the Nazi scientists basically had hits put on them. Von Braun was to be killed near the end of the war, although he managed to escape with some of his team, but not every scientist was so lucky. Hitler didn't want such assets falling into allied hands after the war. Hitler also made no preparations for a German state after WWII. Once he accepted it was over, he basically said he didn't care, and he didn't want anything falling into allied hands. Like many of the other top-level Nazis, he decided to escape at the end. It is a well known fact that Hitler used doubles, and one of the pictures of a supposedly dead Hitler is actually one of these doubles. I've heard he had around 7 or 8 of them, and I am convinced that he wanted people to think he killed himself. It has been shown how he escaped the bunker as well, considering there was an escape hatch they could have used. Some people in the bunker heard a gunshot, some didn't. If there was a shot, it was simply a ruse, or either the double was shot on the spot, and a woman was used as a stand-in for his wife. Or maybe the two bodies that were supposedly theirs were just random bodies, not even doubles. Maybe those who said they saw the bodies were lying. They were close to him, and maybe they wanted to protect him. I can only recall one person who was interviewed, that being a guard. And NOBODY was actually in there with them, so no one really knows.

Anyway, I keep diverging from the point of this thread. Such a plan would have been against Hitler's entire belief system. What we see around us today is very similar to some of the things seen in Nazi Germany, but these were independently developed. Not to mention the fact that what we see around us today did not come into being until very, very recently. Any ardent Nazis would have been dead by then, and those who weren't were very old and not in positions of power. The truth is that there were real Nazis in power after the war, but this was in isolated places in Europe. They were also in European intelligence circles. They didn't get to power in the US. Yet the US is much worse than these European countries, for the most part, despite this fact.



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 05:16 PM
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And who is now the wealthiest country in Europe ??
Who now owns the UK Water supply companies ??
Who are the most efficient Engineering country in Europe??
Yep, Deutchland



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 05:54 PM
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Anyone read any Farrell, seems to be quite a bit of evidence pointing to post-war nazi institutions operating outside of europe. That said they really did lose but many saw the writing on the wall as early as 42-43 and started making plans for the post-war environment.



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 05:58 PM
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The Fact how Third Reich wanted to Destroy Yugoslavia but they finally had their wish in the 1990s just raises questions doesn't it?
Look at Greece and its currently happenings Nazis taking over Greece political specters?
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posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 06:24 PM
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I think we have all the bad symptoms of nazism, without the actual nazism. Neoliberalism, globalist orientated liberalism, is quite opposite of national socialism, which was what the national socialist workers party of germany stood for.

Its like they learned of techniques that worked in germany, brought some prominent people from germany during operation paperclip, and well the rest is history.

National Socialism was much better than the garbage we have today. Many countries during that era, especially those that opposed franco-british imperalism, where in fact either national socialist or pure communist.

Since the allies won, we have english as our official language and jewish-american imperalism.



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 06:42 PM
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If you dig deeper you might find more that you might have wished you hadn't. Yes, the real Nazis did some very bad things, but IMO they did it because they believed it was necessary.

What we have going on today is the same thing I see happening in what we call "spiritual warfare" going on in this world. The real baddie takes the face of something that was positive and then corrupts it, exploits it, and uses it to its advantage, making mirror images such as an "Anti-Christ," an "Anti-Lucifer," or a "positive Satan," in methods of spreading confusion and disruption. If you can't know which is which, there's more chance you'll end up with the wrong one with how it is being worked.

IMO, the Allies who won the war (the real baddies IMO) reverse-engineered the darker aspects of their research and explorations to use them for their advantage, repeatedly try to overshadow all their humanitarian philosophies which ARE there, regardless of what they did to the Jews, and have practically been lost and reworked entirely as they constantly pound it into our .s that the Nazi's are the worst possible evil EVER.

What got me arrested and incarcerated for 4 months just for using my freedom of speech and voicing some of my anger about how I see it?

Walking down the street while shouting: "Nazi, Nazareth, Nazarene, THINK ABOUT IT!"



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 06:43 PM
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So what you are implying is that the "obama youth" is a nazi plot?



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 06:44 PM
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You gave away your Nationality. Ultimately by one word. Can you figure it out?



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 06:49 PM
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I want to kinda get you guys thinking on this. Some facts of Hitler:

He was born on an Easter Sunday.
He was born in an inn.
Wikipedia says the name "Hitler" might loosely mean "shepherd."

Good shepherds? Easter Sunday's? Born at an inn?

Who else was born with similar such surroundings?



posted on Nov, 3 2013 @ 06:55 PM
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AsherahoftheSea
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I want to kinda get you guys thinking on this. Some facts of Hitler:

He was born on an Easter Sunday.
He was born in an inn.
Wikipedia says the name "Hitler" might loosely mean "shepherd."

Good shepherds? Easter Sunday's? Born at an inn?

Who else was born with similar such surroundings?


ted coppel?




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