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reply to post by bastion
I personally find it disturbing and insulting
Why do you say this to some one you disagree with? Why make it personal?
If every one agreed with each other, lawyers would be out of business.
I'm a private tutor in Science, Maths and English and think teaching is one of the most noble professions there is, so see abusing that position as disgusting. I see lying to children and misleading them in this way as child abuse. Teaching them 'logic' in this fashion means having to lie about the entire process of logic, scientific method etc...which deprives people of an education and puts them at a major disadvantage for the rest of their lives. Instead of being able to separate fact from fiction themselves, they're always going to be at the mercy of others to tell them what to think if they don't learn these essential skills.
There's nothing wrong with having beliefs as long as people don't try and pretend they're facts.edit on 6-11-2013 by bastion because: (no reason given)edit on 6-11-2013 by bastion because: (no reason given)
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reply to post by leostokes
Since you do not seem to use this rather unusual definition you use of "faith" to equate science to religion it’s not a very big deal.
Still, when people talk about faith, in general they are talking about a belief that is not based on evidence. If not, then faith is nothing more than a synonym of belief, there would be no semantic difference between the words. Maybe English is not your native language (it’s not mine) but to me the inherent lack of evidence seems to be the discriminating factor between faith and belief.
An alternative would be to not use the word faith at all, and instead always write "belief without evidence" or invent a new term for it. But it seems to me that the word faith suffices already, as most people will interpret like that anyhow.
Bertrand Russell noted, "Where there is evidence, no one speaks of 'faith'. We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round. We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence."
Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins criticizes all faith by generalizing from specific faith in propositions that conflict directly with scientific evidence. He describes faith as mere belief without evidence; a process of active non-thinking. He states that it is a practice that only degrades our understanding of the natural world by allowing anyone to make a claim about nature that is based solely on their personal thoughts, and possibly distorted perceptions, that does not require testing against nature, has no ability to make reliable and consistent predictions, and is not subject to peer review.
There is no question that science is based on logical deduction and religion is not. They are not similar in this way. But I assert that people should know that mathematics is based on a belief system. Namely that logic is better equipped to lead to the truth. But mathematical truths are not absolute. People who look to science for salvation are in deep trouble.
My rather unusual definition (as you call it) of faith as "strongly held belief or theory" comes straight out of the dictionary.
As I said, we merely disagree on the definition.edit on 5-11-2013 by leostokes because: add
I honestly have no idea how you arrived at the conclusion that me saying faith by definition is illogical means I'm calling for a holocaust of Christians.
Please continue the nastiness.
It's a fairly faithful correlation with the anti-God perspective.
reply to post by bastion
Even bright tribal peoples without any clue to Christianity know emphatically that all this did
NOT spring magically from chaos & nothing on a Thursday morning.
reply to post by leostokes
If an answer is not known it doesn't mean you get to make one up, you just say it's not known yet.
Evolution vs Creationism is one of the topics I find disturbing as there's plenty of solid evidence for evolution and none for creationism. The only reason creationism is still around is because people interpret the bible as fact and skew all evidence to fit into that assumption and also cherry pick data which is completely illogical so should have no place in the classroom.
This does not mean that the current mathemathics is based on belief.