Democrats Scramble to Distance Themselves from Obamacare

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posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 01:21 PM
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Democrats Scramble to Distance Themselves from Obamacare

Politics Politics !!

Now we are watching some Democrats looking like they themselves are questioning the ObamaCare Individual Mandate in an obvious effort of puppy-petting and kitten-brushing.

Many Democrats are worried stiff about losing elections next year.

If I were a Democrat in office today, I would be very nervous too !!

I bet Obama and Sebelius wait a couple of months and then announce a *delay* in the penalties.

And depending on how the election looks, I bet the House starts *Talking* about impeachment next August.

The scare tactics coming soon could be the fiercest ever.

Both parties have a lot at stake in 2014.



With the 2014 midterm elections just a year away, nervous Democrats have begun distancing themselves from what Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius now calls the Obamacare "debacle."

"Our guys are frustrated by Obama's unforced errors," a Senate Democrat aide told Reuters on Wednesday. "How could the president not be ready for the rollout?"

Rep. Rick Nolan (D-MN) expressed frustration last week with the Obama Administration's failed rollout of Obama's signature legislative achievement.

"Some of us, myself included, are somewhat resentful [and] upset about the apparent incompetency in designing and rolling this thing out," said Nolan. "Who was it that said we are going to go ahead knowing it doesn't work? I would fire that person."


Democrats Scramble to Distance Themselves from Obamacare




posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 01:24 PM
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They can try to distance themselves but you can always stand just outside the polls and hand out their voting records. (Democrat AND Republican) TEE HEE



posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 01:54 PM
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The government already knows that Obamacrap will fail eventually, so using the believe that people will blame the opposing party for the failure that is why they are doing what they are doing and also we know that Obama will not be re elected anyway.

But this is going to push more the immigration bill to be passed as Democrats will need those votes to win with whatever they will have for presidential candidate in the next elections.

Its just politics, you know the dirty kind.



posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 01:55 PM
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Let them try, they OWN it!



ACA website still down, it failed hundreds of tests before
it was opened...and it is still not secure, a hackers dream.

Here is the kicker, hitting the news today!
ACA site was not even tested for cyber security!

Millions losing healthcare!
This is the biggest BOONDOGGLE ever!



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posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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And is just the beginning, as the targeted portion of the nation to feel the Obamacrap mess is actually the productive working class that already were under insurance than now they will be losing for more expensive ones, here in my neck of the wood a welfare state 17 thousand hard working productive middle class are to lose their existing healthcare and will be left to fry with obamacrap exchanges but the problems is that is not exchange in my area because the region is rule by a monopoly of one big hospital.

The irony, I am sure that it will be millions around the nation facing the same debacle.

Most of the people that are looking for healthcare in the government exchanges are not qualifying either.



posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:06 PM
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Their brilliant fail bill is failing too fast.

People are going to remember why things are so bad, and just exactly who did it to them.
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posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:06 PM
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marg6043
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Most of the people that are looking for healthcare in the government exchanges are not qualifying either.



Indeed, Marge this is another great flaw, or maybe it was designed this way?

Trick or Treat.

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posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:08 PM
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They are distancing themselves/criticising the flawed roll out. That's very different from distancing themselves from Obamacare. The title of the article is nothing more than link bait.
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posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:14 PM
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They're already desperately grasping for the coat-tails of Hillary's pants suit.



posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:16 PM
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Kaploink

They are distancing themselves/criticising the flawed roll out. That's very different from distancing themselves from Obamacare. The title of the article is nothing more than link bait.
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Ah Yes.

But everything in an election is all about *Perception* isn't it.

What do you really think the average person will *SEE* ?

The Democrats who are up for election are some of the very ones that voted "Yes" with PPACA.

That list will be widely published next year.



posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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It'll be interesting to see how many Democrats Obama goes to campaign for in 2014. Remember in 2006 when none of the Republicans wanted Bush anywhere near? Think it'll be a little like that?



posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:28 PM
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So they pass a law which forces insurance companies to cancel policies.
check.
But at the same time they don't let you buy any other insurance. Check.
That leaves step three. Fleece the sheep

By the way having a cancellation or lapse in insurance on your record makes future rates go up as well.
This is like a bad dream
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posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:44 PM
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Yeah this ol' health care for all crap has failed so miserably
in other countries.... Wait..what's that? People all over the world have
loved not going bankrupt because of medical procedures ?
That alone is more than enough reason to see this tiny tiny tiny step
towards healthcare fairness through.

I knew,just like when the last elections neared, that as the affordable care act
grew closer, the propaganda of billionaires with all of their crazy made up stories
would hit the news in full force. When Obama was elected we were told
"Grandmas were to be laying in the streets, sharia law
would replace the constitution and Black Panther daycares would indoctrinate
your children. Those beret wearing kidos would then take their parents firearms.."

There should be an entire forum dedicated to OBAMA'S GONNA....
Because that man sure has been charged with a lot of "GONNA's "

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posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:50 PM
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Have you compared the cost of living in all those other countries to what it is here? how about their relative standards of living? It costs a lot more to live in those countries and maintain the same standard of living you enjoy here, so unless your employer is giving you a honing big raise to go along with your socialized health care ... expect your life to get much poorer as you pay a lot more for everything, and I do mean everything, else along with the higher taxes.
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posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:51 PM
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I am the believe as many around here that when Obama first intended bill was trashed for the one we have now it made sure that this one will fail so the original one payer system could look good.

Still people that already have insurance will not be going to the exchanges, I have not, why? get it, because I already have one, so now that companies are dropping their insurance plans those that used to have insurance are now left to deal with the exchange and the outrageous prices.

So actually those that are trying to check the site to see if they can get subsidies are indeed poor and needy that were under the impression that Obamacrap was going to made possible for them to get free insurance.

Is not happening because that was not the intention of the exchange and neither the health insurance.

That is why many are complaining of not qualifying for insurance once they check in.



posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:57 PM
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Yes, and I read that those making over 36k will not qualify for the ACA subsidy,
and their premiums have tripled in many cases...with a deductible of sometimes
as high as 13k, its ludicrous!

Hit the middle class again, they said this was the goal to wipe out the middle class.

To top it all of, they system is not secure....Sebelius said this just yesterday in hearings...


asked if the code had been tested for security and if there had been end-to-end
security tests since the site launched.

"I don't know," said Sebelius. "I will find out what testing they're doing."
moneymorning.com...#

"I dont know"

They all say this, from Obama to Holder....none of them know anything!



posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:58 PM
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My secret dream is that this was all planned and that Obama wanted the ACA to fail on purpose to usher in Universal Healthcare. It would make me very sad that I didn't vote for him if he really was the secret socialist many on the right screamed about.

Sadly it's probably ineptitude, something the GOP and the Democrats both have in heaping amounts.

But keeping voting for them, guys.



posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:58 PM
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Naughty fox! Another thread that tries to stir things up again!



posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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Well, the Republicans only voted to open back up the government after adding a clause that they could get a 2nd vote later saying that they regret their original vote.


Twenty-seven Republican senators voted with Democrats on Oct. 16 to lift the debt ceiling and avert a catastrophic default. And each one of those 27 senators voted Tuesday to "disapprove" of their own votes.

The vote Tuesday was a symbolic "resolution to disapprove" of the debt limit hike. It was mandated by the deal thanks to a last-minute provision inserted by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY). The motion failed 45-54 because all Democrats opposed it.

27 GOP Senators 'Disapprove' Of Their Own Vote To Raise Debt Celing

"Hey, I voted again to say I didn't approve of my first vote!"

I wonder how that'll play out during elections...
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posted on Oct, 31 2013 @ 03:03 PM
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And if they think this is bad, wait until next year when they drop in the employer mandate. A lot of employers will drop health care entirely and some will keep it only for the employee but not spouse/children. Then you'll have a veritable flood of people getting hosed. The worst will be the ones who lose coverage for the family while having it offered for themselves. They'll have to decide between dropping their coverage which will almost inevitably be cheaper/better than anything the exchange offers and trying to carry and exchange policy for the family or just all in the exchange, either way, they will not be eligible for any subsidy because the employer offers coverage.

Talk about hosing someone for having a family.

And then the subsidy structure heavily disincentivizes marriage. So talk about hosing people for being responsible. How many people in that bind of being offered employer coverage but having family who aren't covered might opt for divorce in order to try to game the system and try to afford coverage out of desperation? What kind of an evil government system sets things up this way?





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