reply to post by FlyersFan
I am currently reading your other thread and commenting along with what I read.
As a Christian mystic, I wouldn't say all Catholics don't have visions. Sometimes visions are personal. Hildegard of Bingen was a visionist, also
called a mystic. She was Catholic and preached until she was 78 years-old. So I wouldn't say everything is false, but do agree there are a lot of
false visions in all religions.
Going through these links, I was intrigued by the one of Necedah, Wisconsin who claimed George Washington received a vision from a Marian apparition,
the problem with that one, Washington was Anglican.
I want to caution here though, that other Christians are put off by people claiming the Roman Catholic church holds the only truth of God. It seems a
lot of criticism from these websites are against those who don't practice Roman Catholicism. That's a big issue for a lot of Christians. I can see
that in the case of Vassula Ryden, that the case against her is that the author doesn't like Eastern Orthodox Catholicism. That plays a big part in
why many of the "investigators" are going after these people.
If it is because it doesn't encourage the Roman Catholic position, then that's also an agenda by those people to discredit others. I'm not saying
the visions are not true or false, but if I look at something written that dismisses someone based on another Orthodox position, then it takes away
from it the importance of whether or not the vision is true or false. I just wanted to throw that in, because it's the sticky point for other
I will agree that many of these "prophecies" are vague. Even Nostradamus was pretty vague also but that he gave symbolic details. I'm still
wondering how Hister became Hitler.
Carol Ameche seems to be saying the RFID chips are real. That has never been proven in any way, yet the theory is still out there, even among atheists
OK, this one I would say is false...from Nancy Fowler
Message 687 (Sept 8, 1993): “Jesus said, 'Korea, China and Russia are a deadly trio.' ”
In 1993, there was North Korea and South Korea. But this has to be a throwback to before the Korean War, in which Korea was at war with the Chinese
and Russia. Unless there is a future event of when North and South Korea are united again, I don't see this as possible. But since she said "Korea"
then I question this particular one.
This is a point from that website I would like to address...
Second, each person has a guardian angel. It is well known among the faithful that
you can communicate with your guardian angel by thought (not merely by speaking out loud). Fallen angels also have this natural ability to communicate
That was originally in Zoroastrianism and borrowed into Christianity. The Avestas say we have guardian angels.
Another one that I find a little dispute with...
Notice the odd expressions used by 'Jesus' in these messages. This is not the way that Jesus
speaks in true private revelations. This does not sound like the Son of God speaking in a supernatural message from Heaven.
I don't think the author knows how private revelations to individuals are. Jesus communicates with us on our level of understanding. So that one, I
will disagree with his point. Many times, God speaks to me in ways that others might think is strange. I am a very sarcastic person and sometimes
sarcasm from God reveals things to me, then I laugh and say "Yep, you're right, God". But notice, I didn't claim the revelations came in the
manner that it is for these people. But it is always about a personal issue. I don't also hear audibly, it's always through some kind of revelatory
experience within my being.
The thing I would also like to mention is this, these people seem to be getting their "divine inspiration" from conspiracy theories. Of course also,
there are always natural disasters, so that's no revelation.
Message 287 (March 9, 1992): “One more day of rest and, then, hop to it.”
The Eternal Son of God does not speak in this manner.
How does he know this? How does he know how Jesus speaks to people?
So the problem I am seeing is this, in this guy's attempt to discredit these people he views as false, he bases it on his own assumptions. I am not
saying they are true, what I am saying is that this guy seems more interested in discrediting how Jesus speaks individually to people.
I would have to ask these seers just how they knew it was Jesus talking to them? I would challenge the visions individually before passing them off as
all not true. And Jesus can use roosters to make his point, He did with Peter.
But since these seers are saying "Jesus said My Mother says", why doesn't Mary speak for herself? And why would Jesus not speak by His own
authority in these matters?