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TucoTheRat
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Wrabbit,
I don't think anyone is saying that any American Intelligence agent had anything to do with the captured DEA guy beyond knowing he had been captured. I don't doubt they have a hand is other logistic operations is Mexico, But to intentionally harm a fellow American, don't think so.
The principle of the article does smell fishy.
What I don't understand, and this is why I quoted those spinets in previous threads is, Why is this in the news?
Things like this get squashed, they don't end up in the news, especially fox news for crying out loud, it does not have anything to do with Obama, who does this hurt? Who is the target here?
The Rat.
"The CIA ordered the kidnapping and torture of 'Kiki' Camarena, and when they killed him, they made us believe it was Caro Quintero in order to cover up all the illegal things they were doing (with drug trafficking) in Mexico" emphasizes Jordan. He adds: "The DEA is the only (federal agency) with the authority to authorize drug trafficking into the United States as part of an undercover operation".
727Sky
I feel so sorry for the population... The Mexican lady who cuts my hair told me today when things get bad in a city for some reason none of the phone connections work until things are back under control...?? I have never heard that before and still find it hard to believe but I do know when the federals move into a City the druggies have radios and cell phone lookouts that pin point their location better than a drones GPS . So there might be something to her info?
727Sky
www.borderlandbeat.com...
WASHINGTON (Proceso)(apro).-- Three former U.S. federal agents decided to end a 28-year silence and simultaneously entrusted this journal and the U.S. Fox news services with an information "bomb": Enrique Kiki Camarena was not murdered by Rafael Caro Quintero -- the capo that served a sentence for that crime -- but by an agent of the CIA. The reason: the DEA agent discovered that his own government was collaborating with the Mexican narco in his illegal business.
In interviews with Proceso, Phil Jordan, former director of the El Paso Intelligence Center (EPIC); Hector Berrellez, former DEA agent, and Tosh Plumlee, a former CIA pilot, claim that they have evidence that the U.S. government itself ordered the murder of Kiki Camarena in 1985. In addition, they point to a sinister Cuban character, Felix Ismael Rodriguez, as the murderer.
I hate stories like this.. There have been continuous rumors of CIA and DEA drug running for many years with headline news articles that just seem to fade away. Everything from DEA charter aircraft with 4 tons of coke crashing to agents testifying who did what, where and when... If this story is true nothing can justify this, nothing!
stormcell
727Sky
I feel so sorry for the population... The Mexican lady who cuts my hair told me today when things get bad in a city for some reason none of the phone connections work until things are back under control...?? I have never heard that before and still find it hard to believe but I do know when the federals move into a City the druggies have radios and cell phone lookouts that pin point their location better than a drones GPS . So there might be something to her info?
A mobile phone network works by having hexagonal grids of transmitters. Each transmitter actually consists of of three antennae each of which cover 120 degrees of a circle. This forms a triangular patchwork. From any three transmitters, you can triangulate the location of a cellphone. Each transmitter will receive a different signal strength. It's then a case of drawing three circles sized according to signal strength (smaller circle = stronger signal), then you know where the phone is.
Anyone with access to the computer system can do this.
Then there's the communication aspect. During the oil industry strikes over safety in Aberdeen in the 1980's (over safety), the rig-managers would confiscated the transistor radios of striking workers.
In the 1990's, various large companies in the UK and USA decided to fire employees, they would cut the internet and telephone lines to the rest of the company. Employees joked it was "to stop the rest of the world hearing the screaming".
libertytoall
We guarded poppy fields in Afghanistan.
Merinda
Okay we are talking either about the US government, or entities whom control the US government. As big as the drug bluishness is, whom has the power and resources to direct the course of action of the US government surely is involved in all kinds of businesses, maybe has a huuuge portofolio that encompasses a lot of not only the US economy. So the people whom can direct the letter agencies are wealthy beyond measure and if it is the US government itself whom is involved, without an outside influence, its basically rigging the game to get the dollars that it is printing to begin with.
So whoever is involved has bigger roosts to fry than the drug trade. But if money isnt the motivation, why would somebody with the power to direct the letter agencies have an interest to keep the drug trade going?
And if money is of interest, why kind of set up is it where a group of people have the power to direct the agencies of one of the wealthiest nations on earth, but themselves are not so wealthy that they do not scoff at getting their share of the drug trade?
When his rule was challenged, by the [popular, left-wing] Sandinistas in the late 1970s, the US first tried to institute what was called "Somocismo [Somoza-ism] without Somoza" - that is, the whole corrupt system intact, but with somebody else at the top. That didn't work, so President Carter tried to maintain Somoza's National Guard as a base for US power.
The National Guard had always been remarkably brutal and sadistic. By June 1979, it was carrying out massive atrocities in the war against the Sandinistas, bombing residential neighbourhoods in Managua, killing tens of thousands of people. At that point, the US ambassador sent a cable to the White House saying it would be "ill-advised" to tell the Guard to call off the bombing, because that might interfere with the policy of keeping them in power and the Sandinistas out.
Our ambassador to the Organisation of American States also spoke in favour of "Somocismo without Somoza," but the OAS rejected the suggestion flat out. A few days later, Somoza flew off to Miami with what was left of the Nicaraguan national treasury, and the Guard collapsed.
The Carter administration flew Guard commanders out of the country in planes with Red Cross markings (a war crime), and began to reconstitute the Guard on Nicaragua's borders. They also used Argentina as a proxy. (At that time, Argentina was under the rule of neo-Nazi generals, but they took a little time off from torturing and murdering their own population to help re-establish the Guard - soon to be renamed the contras, or "freedom fighters.")
727Sky
I hate stories like this.. There have been continuous rumors of CIA and DEA drug running for many years with headline news articles that just seem to fade away. Everything from DEA charter aircraft with 4 tons of coke crashing to agents testifying who did what, where and when... If this story is true nothing can justify this, nothing!
libertytoall
We guarded poppy fields in Afghanistan.
In Afghan fields the poppies grow. Between the crosses. Row on row.
"I know and from what I have been told by a former head of the Mexican federal police, Comandante (Guillermo Gonzales) Calderoni, the CIA was involved in the movement of drugs from South America to Mexico and to the U.S.," says Phil Jordan, former director of DEA's powerful El Paso Intelligence Center.
"In (Camarena’s) interrogation room, I was told by Mexican authorities, that CIA operatives were in there. Actually conducting the interrogation. Actually taping Kiki."
Eventually, the prosecution did obtain tapes of Camarena's torture and murder.
"The CIA was the source. They gave them to us," said Berrellez. "Obviously, they were there. Or at least some of their contract workers were there."
On Thursday night, a CIA Spokesman told Fox News that “it’s ridiculous to suggest that the CIA had anything to do with the murder of a U.S. federal agent or the escape of his killer.”
Berrellez says two informants from the Mexican state police, who witnessed Camarena's torture, independently and positively identified a photo of one man, a Cuban, who worked as a CIA operative who helped run guns and drugs for the Contras.
gariac
Besides the Expert Witness Radio show, Bill Conroy from Narco News has been covering this story for some time. Here is his latest article:
Narco News
Plumlee during that period (early-to-mid-1980s) was already talking with then-Sen. Gary Hart’s office about the drug-and-weapons shipments he was being ordered to carry out as part of US-government sanctioned operations. In fact, he provided testimony to the US Senate several times “behind closed doors” in the 1980s and early 1990s, revealing what he knew about the operations.
“I conveyed what he [Plumlee] said to the [Senate] Subcommittee on Narcotics, Terrorism and International Operations, then headed by Sen. Kerry,” Holen says. “They did validate what Tosh was saying.… Kerry’s staff did speak to me on several occasions, and they did bring Tosh in to testify. I have no reason not to believe Tosh [Plumlee].”
In the wake of Camarena’s murder, Jordan says DEA agents managed to catch up with Caro Quintero at the airport in Guadalajara, but were prevented from apprehending him because Caro Quintero was protected by dozens of DFS agents.
Jordan, who says he has two trusted sources of information on the so-called “Mexican stand-off” at the Guadalajara airport, adds that the plane Caro Quintero flew out on that day was owned by narco-trafficker “Matta Ballesteros,” the founder of SETCO. Jordan also contends Caro Quintero was carrying DFS credentials and that the aircraft’s pilot was “a CIA operative.”
Those individuals wanted to find and control the sources providing information to Camarena in order to protect the covert operation and ultimately the White House. Berrellez also says Camarena played a key role in helping DEA to successfully ramp up interdiction of the proceeds from illicit drug sales, thereby threatening the funding source for the CIA-backed Contra-supply effort — which was another incentive for ferreting out his sources of information.