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"Our intelligence agencies were working under the cover of DFS. And as I said it before, unfortunately, DFS agents at that time were also in charge of protecting the drug lords and their monies," said Berrellez.
"After the murder of Camarena, (Mexico's) investigation pointed that the DFS had been complicit along with American intelligence in the kidnap and torture of Kiki. That's when they decided to disband the DFS."
Complicit is a strong term that Berrellez doesn't shy away from. However, when he raised the issue internally, his supervisors told him to drop it. Eventually he was transferred to Washington D.C., and was ordered to stop pursuing any angle that suggested U.S. assets knew of Camarena's capture.
"I know and from what I have been told by a former head of the Mexican federal police, Comandante (Guillermo Gonzales) Calderoni, the CIA was involved in the movement of drugs from South America to Mexico and to the U.S.," says Phil Jordan, former director of DEA's powerful El Paso Intelligence Center.
Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Erongaricuaro
I think the thread is about the murder of Enrique Kiki Camarena and who may actually have turned out to have done it... If rogue CIA or other American agents had anything to do with it, there is no statute of limitation and double that on THIS one, for the nature and brutality of it.
We've been Off Topic on a tangent for a bit now..and I'm going end my side of that. Perhaps a thread will pop up elsewhere dealing directly with the cartels, politics and general situation now in Mexico.. My apologies to the OP here, as this one really isn't it.
Erongaricuaro
The good guys are the bad guys and the bad guys are cogs in the machine.
Wrabbit2000
reply to post by boncho
If CIA tortured and murdered a DEA agent, by design and by decision from the agency itself....and DEA ever got so much as a SLIGHT HINT of that, we'd have a whole new civil war on a smaller, but far more violent scale I believe. An agency with no rules...facing an agency that respects no rules ...with the blood of an agent between them?
Nawww.... I don't buy it. Not for one second. I don't say it couldn't have been a rogue element and there sure were some VERY rogue elements running around in the 80's, especially under Director Casey and the culture he fostered. It was one heck of a CIA under him, as a few things have come out to indicate over the years. So even a small group running their own side business with it's own priorities wouldn't shock me...
However... There are limits to everything ...even paranoia of the Government. At least in my opinion, logic stops short of where the more extreme theory here would take it.
TucoTheRat
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Wrabbit,
I don't think anyone is saying that any American Intelligence agent had anything to do with the captured DEA guy beyond knowing he had been captured. I don't doubt they have a hand is other logistic operations is Mexico, But to intentionally harm a fellow American, don't think so.
The principle of the article does smell fishy.
What I don't understand, and this is why I quoted those spinets in previous threads is, Why is this in the news?
Things like this get squashed, they don't end up in the news, especially fox news for crying out loud, it does not have anything to do with Obama, who does this hurt? Who is the target here?
The Rat.
Just wait until they get to setting the record straight on JFK...
I see the potential here and it's reached a point where it can go from the peace it is today, right now, to something pretty ugly in a matter of days.
I do not, however, live with my eyes peeled for black vans, helicopters or cops lurking around. Hell, I know several of the cops in this town and have been out on their range training with medical trauma courses that have been offered.
I've simply known too many as friends and personal contacts over my lifetime to even play at believing a majority are bad. They aren't and never have been.
Wrabbit2000
...with some variety of 'Get the cops!' or 'Everything about the US sucks' are just rubbing my fur a bit raw.
It is a bit of a shame though, that the story of this agents horrible murder can't be the focus..
Over 30 hours, Quintero and others crushed Camarena's skull, jaw, nose and cheekbones with a tire iron. They broke his ribs, drilled a hole in his head and tortured him with a cattle prod. As Camarena lay dying, Quintero ordered a cartel doctor to keep the U.S. agent alive.
Today, however, Quintero is gone, released from jail by Mexican judges nine weeks ago on a legal technicality. In doing so, Mexico ignored a U.S. extradition request and also never informed Washington of his release. Two days later, the White House released a statement saying it was "deeply concerned" Quintero was free.
"In (Camarena’s) interrogation room, I was told by Mexican authorities, that CIA operatives were in there. Actually conducting the interrogation. Actually taping Kiki."
Eventually, the prosecution did obtain tapes of Camarena's torture and murder.
"The CIA was the source. They gave them to us," said Berrellez. "Obviously, they were there. Or at least some of their contract workers were there."
"You want me to say this on camera? Alright. Those entities were cut outs financed and operated by the Central Intelligence Agency," he said. "Our operations were sanctioned by the federal government, controlled out of the Pentagon. The CIA acted in some cases as our logistical support team."
On Thursday night, a CIA Spokesman told Fox News that “it’s ridiculous to suggest that the CIA had anything to do with the murder of a U.S. federal agent or the escape of his killer.”
Wrabbit2000
reply to post by 727Sky
Thanks for the post there to remind people what this case was, why it matters and why...it really is just about THIS one and not 1,000 other cases to be tied in and somehow connected to make a great big TPTB issue to just debate generalities until the cows come home. (rolls eyes)
This definitely wasn't a quick shot to the head or beheading, as they've come to love doing to people now.
They did actually use a medical doctor, as evidence came to show, to revive him and keep him alive for as long as humanly possible, literally, so the torture could continue.
The only case I really know of that made me equally sick and burned in like this this one for the sheer horror of what was done to the man ...is William Buckley (Beirut, 1985).
Like you say...there is killing and even execution. That's bad enough and it's BAD..no mistake. This? This was the work of friggen animals and EVIL. Nothing but outright evil in the true sense of the word, IMO.
MEXICO, DF. (proceso.com.mx).--The Mexican Office of Attorney General (PGR: Procuraduria General de la Republica) has decided to restrict official reports about organized crime in the country for 12 years, such as the number of cartels, their names and their areas of operation.