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Originally posted by Cactus
*Sniff, sniff*..I smell some serious bull# I.C, and it´s coming from you, or should I just refer to you as Bob?
Bob, obviously your strong side isn´t to sum up anybodys post. Wether it is because you are to busy lying to yourself, or if it depends on the fact that you are a selfworshipping little prick, only the future will tell?
The only thing your posts contains are contradictions, and a will to dominate (yes dominate, not help) others. The problem with that perticular fact Bob seems to be that the only one in here open for manipulation is you, probably because of the large Dopamin coctail your brain is sucking up this very minute, or perhaps it is serotoni this time?
Bob, you seem to be a person wich is caught somewhere between hope and despair, that is not very healthy, in the long run, it can actually make you go insane, but something tells me you have been there once allready.
Maby you should try to print your posts, place yourself infront of a mirror and read your posts out loud to yourself, and while you are doing that, try to face yourself, try to look into your own eyes.
The main difference between you and me, is that I don´t need to lie to myself to be able to look myself in the mirror every morning when I wake up. I don´t need any man made religion telling me that Im special, to feel special, And maby that´s why you seem to have such a difficulty to read my posts, always skipping the 20 most important lines.
Actually I have alot more appreciation for life because of my beliefs. I am unsure why you would think science diminshes the value of life.. it doesn't.. it just takes a closer look cos it's so bloody fascinating.
I said: I am not sure how you can you are spiritual, without recognizing the spirit in spiritual.
You said: Huh?
My mind is scientific, logical, experimental and imaginative.. I just don't centre my sprirituality around 'maybe' without substance.. I just accept that there are answers I don't know.. and answers no-one may ever know.. but I am certain they're there. [The questions on the other hand are a completely different story.]
That is just propoganda to lobby support from people. This is not a religious war. This is a war motivated by power and greed.
All holy wars have been fought for power and greed.. so how isn't it a holy war? Also.. using the debates in the religion section as a small example of how divisive it is.. and the kids who strap explosives to their bodies to kill people.. do you really think religion is all that healthy?
Science is a tool.. but religion provides a motive with power. If people didn't believe.. taht power would be gone.
Wow. I didn't know Christianity phased out the old testimant.
You could always look at life on it's own without the god safety net. You might be surprised.. it may at first feel as though it makes life seem trivial or unimportant.. but you may get a better idea of what it actually is and have a renewed perspective of it.
It's a theory. A primitive conciousness may have been developed to help with survival. A conciousness allows us to think and make basic decisons.
I think thats true with all uni [or college] students. These people who profess to know it all only do themselves a disservice as there are always more answers. It's like climbing a mountain and deciding you have reached the peak when you're only half way up because you're too tired to admit defeat.
have already put a labal on yourself, that conforms to you, and that is cactus, a plant in a secluded and dry land, that has a lot of thorns, and nobody wants to touch.
if one were to read your posts, they would not half disagree with me.
under any delusions like "I am not part of the collective consciousness"
Further, I did not wish hell on you. You are already in it. Whether I reply to your next dose of venom, or not, is my choice.
Peace(you need it)
Originally posted by Cactus
Oh, so you aren´t the next step in evolution after all?
By loweing yourself to that level you just proved my point, that you are as norm-human and fragile as the rest of us. You are not obligied to talk to me, and you have not been obligied to do so at all. Nor do you have to make excuses for yourself for answering my posts, because it doesn´t really change anything.
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
If you believe life is nothing more than "survival of the fittest" and life is nothing more than hierarchy and analysing the world. It affects who you are.
At the end of the day your existence becomes absolutely irrelavant. For all you are, are far less than a nano second in space-time. All you see yourself as, is the physical organism that you are, an infinitesimal spec in the universe. Nothing you did, mattered, and nothing you are doing now, matters.
These are the beliefs that we are indoctrinated into, and the results of which, are evident for all to see. When people live in godless realities, and believe themselves to be nothing but machines, the value of life is undermined.
This is why today, people do no flinch if someone dies, for it all becomes is a statistic. Do you have any idea how many billions have been killed by these kinds of justifcations?
Was it the Nazi justification, that jews are an inferior species, so it does not matter if we dispose of them.
Spirituality is a belief in the soul, disembodied consciosness and a god force. You say you are being "highly spiritual" but you do not recognize the spirit in spirituality or a god-force.
Rather, you are doing what you accuse religions of doing. You are forming your own gods and ways of life. Where instead of the soul, it's "energy" and instead of god, it's "science" and are marketing that in a very pretentious divine way I am not buying, that's for sure
Nor does your imagination or dreams obey science. Nor does the universe obey science.
Correction: All wars are fought for power and greed. All you are doing is playing the blaming game, and instead of taking responsibility, you are blaming some external entity. If I started playing, I could easily say, by science we have created WMD's and are poisoning the earth, hence science must be evil. Fortunately, I'm a little wiser than that.
A motive can come from anything. If I not mistaken, one of the motives of this ugly war In iraw, was WMD - a creation of science. Another motive is "oil" needed as fuel for a lot of things created by science.
Does that mean you cannot find anything Jesus said that can justify war.
I have actually experienced God.
Everything is a theory and you have a faith in this theory. So how does that differ from creation theories?
Whichever way you slice, science as it is today is a religion.
This is because this society is spiritually retarded. Everything, science, religion, the rugrats, will be abused and twisted for our, oh so cherishable ideals, of greed, hate, ignorance and selfishness.
Sometimes, to understand our values of love and peace, we need war. We need that war to defeat the darker side of our kind. To bring light to darkness.
There so many ignorant, selfish, cold and mechanical people today, that are sucked in a blackhole of self-absorbtion, greed and hate. No one can save them. Some of them are beyond any hope of change. They are holding us back. So creation, has it's ways of harmonizing. Some may call this punishment for them. Or judgement day. Yeah, you could call it at that.
I'm fine with who I am.
I think therefore I am. My existance validates itself.
Machines are not capable of reflection and philosophy. We don't need to believe in 'god' to make us special.. it's a choice. And I don't need 'god' to qualify my existance. I have that security within myself.
Opposed to relgions which justify death with righeteusness anyway.. or denograte the value of life with 'they were unsaveable anyway'? I care
about life.. self preservation includes self preservation of the species. The two don't rule out eachother.. they are dependant on eachother.
Actually they were culled not only for their race but for their religion. If they were dead it meant germans could be 'god's' chosen.
I already said I believe in 'energy' if I medidate I am connecting/evolveing awareness of and with it.
I don't have 'god' or gods plural. I've already said that energy can't be contained.. their a different frequencies but are all connected.. I just 'feel' them.. but I don't consider it 'god'.
Where is your proof that the universe doesn't follow science?
Most wars throughout history have had a 'relgious' element.. and as I've already said before science has never been used as a moitive for war.. relgion has.
Yes.. AFTER president bush had included it in 'The axis of evil.' ..and after announcing that he is doing 'god's work'.
What?! Christians ..when they want t be 'nice' follow Jesus.. if they want to be nasty they over-ride Jesus' word by using the old testimant. If you remember I already answered this question and provided you the doctrine to support this from the OT [and new] in out last converstaion. Apparently you didn't read it.
How nice for you.. I suppose you are going to tell us you are His prophet or messenger now?
My theory would change if I were presented with another one based of facts.. faith.. it wouldn't matter how many facts are presented people will still believe in even the bloody tooth fairy if they need to.
It differs from silly crestion theories because there is evidence of evolution.
Whichever way you slice, science as it is today is a religion.
Justifying death is not enlightened.. quite the opposite.
See.. without religion.. there would be no expendable 'unsaved', no judgement day and no 'divine glory' to feed your ego. Sounds like greed, vanity and self-absorbtion to me.
Indigos are like spiritual warriors, and we are here to fight the evil that has darkened our world